996 turbo high pitched whine
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My turbo has developed a fairly high pitched whine. I first heard it a couple of weeks ago, but it seems to have got louder.
It sounds like it's coming from around the front wheel arch area (RHS). Seems to start a couple of seconds after the engine starts - but before the radiator fans crank up.
It's constant and does not vary with engine speed, and continues even with the car stationary.
It does not go away when I push the clutch in.
It does not go away when I turn the air con off, the interior fans off or the whole climate control unit off.
Any ideas? Car is being serviced next week but it would be nice to have some idea of the cause before it goes in - so I can add it to the increasingly long list of faults. The turbo is fast becoming the least reliable car I've ever owned - bullet proof engine perhaps, but everything else breaks!
It sounds like it's coming from around the front wheel arch area (RHS). Seems to start a couple of seconds after the engine starts - but before the radiator fans crank up.
It's constant and does not vary with engine speed, and continues even with the car stationary.
It does not go away when I push the clutch in.
It does not go away when I turn the air con off, the interior fans off or the whole climate control unit off.
Any ideas? Car is being serviced next week but it would be nice to have some idea of the cause before it goes in - so I can add it to the increasingly long list of faults. The turbo is fast becoming the least reliable car I've ever owned - bullet proof engine perhaps, but everything else breaks!
Edited by davek_964 on Thursday 1st July 10:36
RHS front, could be the ABS/PSM pre charging pump. Pop front bonnet. Is it louder from inside the R/h side of luggage compartment. Not immediately next to the battery, thats outside the compartment.
Perhaps record the sound for PH members.
Frank
Perhaps record the sound for PH members.
Frank
Edited by Sunnysidebb on Thursday 1st July 11:49
Edited by Sunnysidebb on Thursday 1st July 11:51
I've had a good check in the luggage compartment and took some of the trim out, and the noise is coming from one of two things - circled below :
It's hard to tell which it's coming from. I think the green circled item is the clutch pressure plate and there is a spinning vane in there to keep the clutch cool. Is that the "known" whine that should disappear when the clutch is pushed in (even though mine doesn't)?
It's hard to tell - but it sounded more like the noise was coming from the blue circled item. What is that?
It's hard to tell which it's coming from. I think the green circled item is the clutch pressure plate and there is a spinning vane in there to keep the clutch cool. Is that the "known" whine that should disappear when the clutch is pushed in (even though mine doesn't)?
It's hard to tell - but it sounded more like the noise was coming from the blue circled item. What is that?
davek_964 said:
It's hard to tell which it's coming from. I think the green circled item is the clutch pressure plate and there is a spinning vane in there to keep the clutch cool.
It's hard to tell - but it sounded more like the noise was coming from the blue circled item. What is that?
The blue circled part is also part of the braking system, the pipes coming out of it carry fluid to the brake calipers.
It's highly unlikely that the whining noise is coming from this area.
davek_964 said:
I've had a good check in the luggage compartment and took some of the trim out, and the noise is coming from one of two things - circled below :
It's hard to tell which it's coming from. I think the green circled item is the clutch pressure plate and there is a spinning vane in there to keep the clutch cool. Is that the "known" whine that should disappear when the clutch is pushed in (even though mine doesn't)?
It's hard to tell - but it sounded more like the noise was coming from the blue circled item. What is that?
That's your PSM brake booster pump that I was talking about. If there is a connector on the wiring near it, disconnect the pump and see if the noise stops. I would say pull the fuse but I will have to find out which one. I suppose the ABS/PSM fuse?It's hard to tell which it's coming from. I think the green circled item is the clutch pressure plate and there is a spinning vane in there to keep the clutch cool. Is that the "known" whine that should disappear when the clutch is pushed in (even though mine doesn't)?
It's hard to tell - but it sounded more like the noise was coming from the blue circled item. What is that?
Perhaps the pump is on the way out?
Frank
ps. It looks like the pump is fed from the Current distributor, fuse F1.
Try the psm/abs fuses first.See if the pump stops and the noise with it. Then try to disconnect the pump.
Now I did get the impression from they way you have written your post that you might be quite new to the DIY scene. Perhaps, if you think you are going to get yourself "In Too Deep" get an Indy to take a look. Just leave the trim loose to make it easy for him/her to have a look at the Booster Pump.
Remember this is a safety aspect of the car, even the wires from the control unit to the pump are in are parallel pairs for safety back up.
Frank
Edited by Sunnysidebb on Thursday 1st July 22:14
Edited by Sunnysidebb on Thursday 1st July 22:32
OK - finally tracked it down, and the culprit is indeed the fuel pump as a few people suggested.
Frank - I'm unfamiliar with the turbo, but can handle most basic DIY. Nothing too complex, but on the 964 I've done a variety of stuff (pads and discs, coils, air con pipes, drive shaft gaiter etc.).
Car is already due a major service on Wednesday so it will be taken care of then. I'm about to find out how good my after market warranty is. I have a number of problems - let's see how many they pay for and how many I pay for.
Frank - I'm unfamiliar with the turbo, but can handle most basic DIY. Nothing too complex, but on the 964 I've done a variety of stuff (pads and discs, coils, air con pipes, drive shaft gaiter etc.).
Car is already due a major service on Wednesday so it will be taken care of then. I'm about to find out how good my after market warranty is. I have a number of problems - let's see how many they pay for and how many I pay for.
davek_964 said:
OK - finally tracked it down, and the culprit is indeed the fuel pump as a few people suggested.
Frank - I'm unfamiliar with the turbo, but can handle most basic DIY. Nothing too complex, but on the 964 I've done a variety of stuff (pads and discs, coils, air con pipes, drive shaft gaiter etc.).
Car is already due a major service on Wednesday so it will be taken care of then. I'm about to find out how good my after market warranty is. I have a number of problems - let's see how many they pay for and how many I pay for.
That noise as I said is the fuel pump working harder to deliver. It might not actually be the fuel pump itself, but the fpr. If that is faulty, then it will make the fuel pump working harder. Frank - I'm unfamiliar with the turbo, but can handle most basic DIY. Nothing too complex, but on the 964 I've done a variety of stuff (pads and discs, coils, air con pipes, drive shaft gaiter etc.).
Car is already due a major service on Wednesday so it will be taken care of then. I'm about to find out how good my after market warranty is. I have a number of problems - let's see how many they pay for and how many I pay for.
Make sure that when they replace the fuel pump that they actually test the fuel pressure. It is quite quick to do (I have two 044 pumps in my set up so it is something that is checked frequently).
You just don't want someone replacing the fuel pump, noise goes and they assume everything is okay.
I had a brand new one fitted, that turned out to be faulty, but could only tell that through checking the fuel pressure.
davek_964 said:
OK - finally tracked it down, and the culprit is indeed the fuel pump as a few people suggested.
Frank - I'm unfamiliar with the turbo, but can handle most basic DIY. Nothing too complex, but on the 964 I've done a variety of stuff (pads and discs, coils, air con pipes, drive shaft gaiter etc.).
Car is already due a major service on Wednesday so it will be taken care of then. I'm about to find out how good my after market warranty is. I have a number of problems - let's see how many they pay for and how many I pay for.
That's excellent news.Frank - I'm unfamiliar with the turbo, but can handle most basic DIY. Nothing too complex, but on the 964 I've done a variety of stuff (pads and discs, coils, air con pipes, drive shaft gaiter etc.).
Car is already due a major service on Wednesday so it will be taken care of then. I'm about to find out how good my after market warranty is. I have a number of problems - let's see how many they pay for and how many I pay for.
Just for info, what other problems do you have. Sounds like you have a few?
I ask because they could spring up on us too. Good idea to keep a mental note on other problems.
Please note for any other members reading. The Blue Circle in your picture is still the PSM Booster Pump. The fuel pump is inside the Tank but not that far away form that area.
Frank
Cheers.
Frank.
Sunnysidebb said:
Just for info, what other problems do you have. Sounds like you have a few?
I ask because they could spring up on us too. Good idea to keep a mental note on other problems.
A few at the moment, although I think most of these are "common". The turbo seems to have quite a long list of common problems - in the 10 months I've owned the car, there have been very few periods when something hasn't been wrong.I ask because they could spring up on us too. Good idea to keep a mental note on other problems.
Current problems are :
- Fuel pump whine
- Loosing coolant. Looks like it's probably the centre or left radiator
- Brake pad warning light has come on a couple of times
- Secondary air bank systems 1 and 2 repeatedly log faults (seen on Durametric)
- Car has stalled 3 times in the last couple of months. Last time was this week - started from warm in a car park, came to a gentle stop 30s later - car stalled.
- I was told last weekend (car started from cold) from people standing outside the car that it stank of fuel as it started. Don't know if this really means anything - I guess it might mean it's running rich.
- Creaking noise - sounds like it's coming from the dash, but I suspect the windscreen (and believe this is a common fault)
For the brake pad warning - I know my pads are good, partly because I checked them when I had brake pad warning light problems earlier in the year (and can see the outer pads now anyway). The problem then was part of the loom behind the front wheel arch liner. This does seem to be a common turbo problem - although it was fixed by the supplying dealer at the time, when I mentioned it in passing to Porsche Byfleet a few weeks ago (before it started happening again) they immediately said "loom behind the wheel arch".
Previous problems :
- Brake pad warning light plus occasional PSM / ABS failure : Both caused by the loom problem behind the wheel arch liner.
- Coolant leak - eventually traced to a pipe in the engine bay, not seating tightly at one end
- Clutch accumulator (slave replaced at the same time)
Having listed them, I'm surprised at how short the "previous problems" list is - I guess it seemed longer because it had to go back a few times for the coolant leak.
It does make it difficult to bond with a car that seems unable to go a whole month without something breaking, however minor it is.
davek_964 said:
Sunnysidebb said:
Just for info, what other problems do you have. Sounds like you have a few?
I ask because they could spring up on us too. Good idea to keep a mental note on other problems.
A few at the moment, although I think most of these are "common". The turbo seems to have quite a long list of common problems - in the 10 months I've owned the car, there have been very few periods when something hasn't been wrong.I ask because they could spring up on us too. Good idea to keep a mental note on other problems.
Current problems are :
- Fuel pump whine
- Loosing coolant. Looks like it's probably the centre or left radiator
- Brake pad warning light has come on a couple of times
- Secondary air bank systems 1 and 2 repeatedly log faults (seen on Durametric)
- Car has stalled 3 times in the last couple of months. Last time was this week - started from warm in a car park, came to a gentle stop 30s later - car stalled.
- I was told last weekend (car started from cold) from people standing outside the car that it stank of fuel as it started. Don't know if this really means anything - I guess it might mean it's running rich.
- Creaking noise - sounds like it's coming from the dash, but I suspect the windscreen (and believe this is a common fault)
For the brake pad warning - I know my pads are good, partly because I checked them when I had brake pad warning light problems earlier in the year (and can see the outer pads now anyway). The problem then was part of the loom behind the front wheel arch liner. This does seem to be a common turbo problem - although it was fixed by the supplying dealer at the time, when I mentioned it in passing to Porsche Byfleet a few weeks ago (before it started happening again) they immediately said "loom behind the wheel arch".
Previous problems :
- Brake pad warning light plus occasional PSM / ABS failure : Both caused by the loom problem behind the wheel arch liner.
- Coolant leak - eventually traced to a pipe in the engine bay, not seating tightly at one end
- Clutch accumulator (slave replaced at the same time)
Having listed them, I'm surprised at how short the "previous problems" list is - I guess it seemed longer because it had to go back a few times for the coolant leak.
It does make it difficult to bond with a car that seems unable to go a whole month without something breaking, however minor it is.
Yes this is common and normally the cause is the fitting of the windscreen
davek_964 said:
Sunnysidebb said:
Just for info, what other problems do you have. Sounds like you have a few?
I ask because they could spring up on us too. Good idea to keep a mental note on other problems.
A few at the moment, although I think most of these are "common". The turbo seems to have quite a long list of common problems - in the 10 months I've owned the car, there have been very few periods when something hasn't been wrong.I ask because they could spring up on us too. Good idea to keep a mental note on other problems.
Current problems are :
- Fuel pump whine
- Loosing coolant. Looks like it's probably the centre or left radiator
- Brake pad warning light has come on a couple of times
- Secondary air bank systems 1 and 2 repeatedly log faults (seen on Durametric)
- Car has stalled 3 times in the last couple of months. Last time was this week - started from warm in a car park, came to a gentle stop 30s later - car stalled.
- I was told last weekend (car started from cold) from people standing outside the car that it stank of fuel as it started. Don't know if this really means anything - I guess it might mean it's running rich.
- Creaking noise - sounds like it's coming from the dash, but I suspect the windscreen (and believe this is a common fault)
For the brake pad warning - I know my pads are good, partly because I checked them when I had brake pad warning light problems earlier in the year (and can see the outer pads now anyway). The problem then was part of the loom behind the front wheel arch liner. This does seem to be a common turbo problem - although it was fixed by the supplying dealer at the time, when I mentioned it in passing to Porsche Byfleet a few weeks ago (before it started happening again) they immediately said "loom behind the wheel arch".
Previous problems :
- Brake pad warning light plus occasional PSM / ABS failure : Both caused by the loom problem behind the wheel arch liner.
- Coolant leak - eventually traced to a pipe in the engine bay, not seating tightly at one end
- Clutch accumulator (slave replaced at the same time)
Having listed them, I'm surprised at how short the "previous problems" list is - I guess it seemed longer because it had to go back a few times for the coolant leak.
It does make it difficult to bond with a car that seems unable to go a whole month without something breaking, however minor it is.
I got mine in 2007 and so far.
L/H side Rad replaced. Noticed the day I drove it home for the first time Porsche must have know before they sold it me.
R/H suspension top mount bearing failed 4 days after buying the Car.
Park assist failed.
Alarm module failed/ Damp in unit
Drivers door lock failed along with control unit
both Turbos corroded so bad had to have new ones.
PSM/ABS failure light .Cleaned MAF but also put 2 new tyres on the front as the rears were just replaced. Fronts were very worn. Thought might be a mismatch of wheel speeds.??
Alternator Failed.
Battery Failed
All the discs have corroded and been replaced.
Centre Rad leak. Replaced.
PCM Card reader broke . PCM Repaired.
All the wheel nuts were corroding ...replaced.
Glove Box handle broke.
Every time I repaired something I had to replace items around it due to corrosion or other such reasons.
Looks like its part of the course. Each time you replace an item you know its been done. I know a perverse logic but how else can you view it. You are correct IMHO. They are not reliable cars for every day use. But I have to say what is these days when everything and I mean everything is made to a budget to ensure the shareholder get there dividend.
Good luck.
Let us know the outcome of your service.
Frank
Sunnysidebb said:
davek_964 said:
Sunnysidebb said:
Just for info, what other problems do you have. Sounds like you have a few?
I ask because they could spring up on us too. Good idea to keep a mental note on other problems.
A few at the moment, although I think most of these are "common". The turbo seems to have quite a long list of common problems - in the 10 months I've owned the car, there have been very few periods when something hasn't been wrong.I ask because they could spring up on us too. Good idea to keep a mental note on other problems.
Current problems are :
- Fuel pump whine
- Loosing coolant. Looks like it's probably the centre or left radiator
- Brake pad warning light has come on a couple of times
- Secondary air bank systems 1 and 2 repeatedly log faults (seen on Durametric)
- Car has stalled 3 times in the last couple of months. Last time was this week - started from warm in a car park, came to a gentle stop 30s later - car stalled.
- I was told last weekend (car started from cold) from people standing outside the car that it stank of fuel as it started. Don't know if this really means anything - I guess it might mean it's running rich.
- Creaking noise - sounds like it's coming from the dash, but I suspect the windscreen (and believe this is a common fault)
For the brake pad warning - I know my pads are good, partly because I checked them when I had brake pad warning light problems earlier in the year (and can see the outer pads now anyway). The problem then was part of the loom behind the front wheel arch liner. This does seem to be a common turbo problem - although it was fixed by the supplying dealer at the time, when I mentioned it in passing to Porsche Byfleet a few weeks ago (before it started happening again) they immediately said "loom behind the wheel arch".
Previous problems :
- Brake pad warning light plus occasional PSM / ABS failure : Both caused by the loom problem behind the wheel arch liner.
- Coolant leak - eventually traced to a pipe in the engine bay, not seating tightly at one end
- Clutch accumulator (slave replaced at the same time)
Having listed them, I'm surprised at how short the "previous problems" list is - I guess it seemed longer because it had to go back a few times for the coolant leak.
It does make it difficult to bond with a car that seems unable to go a whole month without something breaking, however minor it is.
I got mine in 2007 and so far.
L/H side Rad replaced. Noticed the day I drove it home for the first time Porsche must have know before they sold it me.
R/H suspension top mount bearing failed 4 days after buying the Car.
Park assist failed.
Alarm module failed/ Damp in unit
Drivers door lock failed along with control unit
both Turbos corroded so bad had to have new ones.
PSM/ABS failure light .Cleaned MAF but also put 2 new tyres on the front as the rears were just replaced. Fronts were very worn. Thought might be a mismatch of wheel speeds.??
Alternator Failed.
Battery Failed
All the discs have corroded and been replaced.
Centre Rad leak. Replaced.
PCM Card reader broke . PCM Repaired.
All the wheel nuts were corroding ...replaced.
Glove Box handle broke.
Every time I repaired something I had to replace items around it due to corrosion or other such reasons.
Looks like its part of the course. Each time you replace an item you know its been done. I know a perverse logic but how else can you view it. You are correct IMHO. They are not reliable cars for every day use. But I have to say what is these days when everything and I mean everything is made to a budget to ensure the shareholder get there dividend.
Good luck.
Let us know the outcome of your service.
Frank
Doctor prescribed K24/20g and it is now reading 1.5/1.6. Just annoyed it didn't cost me £7.40 - that's the labour party for you
996ttalot said:
Sunnysidebb said:
davek_964 said:
Sunnysidebb said:
Just for info, what other problems do you have. Sounds like you have a few?
I ask because they could spring up on us too. Good idea to keep a mental note on other problems.
A few at the moment, although I think most of these are "common". The turbo seems to have quite a long list of common problems - in the 10 months I've owned the car, there have been very few periods when something hasn't been wrong.I ask because they could spring up on us too. Good idea to keep a mental note on other problems.
Current problems are :
- Fuel pump whine
- Loosing coolant. Looks like it's probably the centre or left radiator
- Brake pad warning light has come on a couple of times
- Secondary air bank systems 1 and 2 repeatedly log faults (seen on Durametric)
- Car has stalled 3 times in the last couple of months. Last time was this week - started from warm in a car park, came to a gentle stop 30s later - car stalled.
- I was told last weekend (car started from cold) from people standing outside the car that it stank of fuel as it started. Don't know if this really means anything - I guess it might mean it's running rich.
- Creaking noise - sounds like it's coming from the dash, but I suspect the windscreen (and believe this is a common fault)
For the brake pad warning - I know my pads are good, partly because I checked them when I had brake pad warning light problems earlier in the year (and can see the outer pads now anyway). The problem then was part of the loom behind the front wheel arch liner. This does seem to be a common turbo problem - although it was fixed by the supplying dealer at the time, when I mentioned it in passing to Porsche Byfleet a few weeks ago (before it started happening again) they immediately said "loom behind the wheel arch".
Previous problems :
- Brake pad warning light plus occasional PSM / ABS failure : Both caused by the loom problem behind the wheel arch liner.
- Coolant leak - eventually traced to a pipe in the engine bay, not seating tightly at one end
- Clutch accumulator (slave replaced at the same time)
Having listed them, I'm surprised at how short the "previous problems" list is - I guess it seemed longer because it had to go back a few times for the coolant leak.
It does make it difficult to bond with a car that seems unable to go a whole month without something breaking, however minor it is.
I got mine in 2007 and so far.
L/H side Rad replaced. Noticed the day I drove it home for the first time Porsche must have know before they sold it me.
R/H suspension top mount bearing failed 4 days after buying the Car.
Park assist failed.
Alarm module failed/ Damp in unit
Drivers door lock failed along with control unit
both Turbos corroded so bad had to have new ones.
PSM/ABS failure light .Cleaned MAF but also put 2 new tyres on the front as the rears were just replaced. Fronts were very worn. Thought might be a mismatch of wheel speeds.??
Alternator Failed.
Battery Failed
All the discs have corroded and been replaced.
Centre Rad leak. Replaced.
PCM Card reader broke . PCM Repaired.
All the wheel nuts were corroding ...replaced.
Glove Box handle broke.
Every time I repaired something I had to replace items around it due to corrosion or other such reasons.
Looks like its part of the course. Each time you replace an item you know its been done. I know a perverse logic but how else can you view it. You are correct IMHO. They are not reliable cars for every day use. But I have to say what is these days when everything and I mean everything is made to a budget to ensure the shareholder get there dividend.
Good luck.
Let us know the outcome of your service.
Frank
Doctor prescribed K24/20g and it is now reading 1.5/1.6. Just annoyed it didn't cost me £7.40 - that's the labour party for you
Ah, the joy of a one owner, low mileage "bullet proof" turbo and a third party warranty.......
Car is currently at the mechanics for a 48k service plus fix all the problems. Status update after a phone call from the mechanic this morning :
1) Warranty (AA) will cover the leaking radiator - although the mechanics have not taken the bumper off to confirm the radiator is leaking yet (and I have to pay for the confirmation part, which I already knew). But I'd told the mechanics that it sometimes leaves a patch of water under the front left, so I suspect one has gone. However - apparently I also have a leak from the engine bay. This will take further work to investigate the cause (including the alternator coming out). I was told to hope it's not the "crossover pipe" (think that's what he said) - if it is, I "won't see my car for at least a week".
2) Apparently, a fuel pump that whines loud enough to be heard 10ft away - even over engine noise - is not a failure, so the warranty company will not pay. If I wait until I break down at the side of the road - then they'll pay. Not acceptable to me, so I guess I'm paying for a fuel pump.
3) Cause of brake pad wear light not found yet.
4) Secondary air bank 1 and 2 failure - there is a potential simple fix, but if it's not that I was told it may be better to live with it.
I am now expecting a multi-thousand pound bill - just how many remains to be seen. After buying a low mileage one owner car, I'm not that impressed - it's had problems almost always since I bought it, many of which have been fixed - but still has plenty more.
This is it's last chance. It has to behave itself after this (very expensive) service - or I will conclude that it's simply not a well built / reliable car, and I will be looking for something else as a daily driver (and it probably won't be a Porsche).
Car is currently at the mechanics for a 48k service plus fix all the problems. Status update after a phone call from the mechanic this morning :
1) Warranty (AA) will cover the leaking radiator - although the mechanics have not taken the bumper off to confirm the radiator is leaking yet (and I have to pay for the confirmation part, which I already knew). But I'd told the mechanics that it sometimes leaves a patch of water under the front left, so I suspect one has gone. However - apparently I also have a leak from the engine bay. This will take further work to investigate the cause (including the alternator coming out). I was told to hope it's not the "crossover pipe" (think that's what he said) - if it is, I "won't see my car for at least a week".
2) Apparently, a fuel pump that whines loud enough to be heard 10ft away - even over engine noise - is not a failure, so the warranty company will not pay. If I wait until I break down at the side of the road - then they'll pay. Not acceptable to me, so I guess I'm paying for a fuel pump.
3) Cause of brake pad wear light not found yet.
4) Secondary air bank 1 and 2 failure - there is a potential simple fix, but if it's not that I was told it may be better to live with it.
I am now expecting a multi-thousand pound bill - just how many remains to be seen. After buying a low mileage one owner car, I'm not that impressed - it's had problems almost always since I bought it, many of which have been fixed - but still has plenty more.
This is it's last chance. It has to behave itself after this (very expensive) service - or I will conclude that it's simply not a well built / reliable car, and I will be looking for something else as a daily driver (and it probably won't be a Porsche).
davek_964 said:
Ah, the joy of a one owner, low mileage "bullet proof" turbo and a third party warranty.......
Car is currently at the mechanics for a 48k service plus fix all the problems. Status update after a phone call from the mechanic this morning :
1) Warranty (AA) will cover the leaking radiator - although the mechanics have not taken the bumper off to confirm the radiator is leaking yet (and I have to pay for the confirmation part, which I already knew). But I'd told the mechanics that it sometimes leaves a patch of water under the front left, so I suspect one has gone. However - apparently I also have a leak from the engine bay. This will take further work to investigate the cause (including the alternator coming out). I was told to hope it's not the "crossover pipe" (think that's what he said) - if it is, I "won't see my car for at least a week".
2) Apparently, a fuel pump that whines loud enough to be heard 10ft away - even over engine noise - is not a failure, so the warranty company will not pay. If I wait until I break down at the side of the road - then they'll pay. Not acceptable to me, so I guess I'm paying for a fuel pump.
3) Cause of brake pad wear light not found yet.
I am now expecting a multi-thousand pound bill - just how many remains to be seen. After buying a low mileage one owner car, I'm not that impressed - it's had problems almost always since I bought it, many of which have been fixed - but still has plenty more.
This is it's last chance. It has to behave itself after this (very expensive) service - or I will conclude that it's simply not a well built / reliable car, and I will be looking for something else as a daily driver (and it probably won't be a Porsche).
Hi mate,Car is currently at the mechanics for a 48k service plus fix all the problems. Status update after a phone call from the mechanic this morning :
1) Warranty (AA) will cover the leaking radiator - although the mechanics have not taken the bumper off to confirm the radiator is leaking yet (and I have to pay for the confirmation part, which I already knew). But I'd told the mechanics that it sometimes leaves a patch of water under the front left, so I suspect one has gone. However - apparently I also have a leak from the engine bay. This will take further work to investigate the cause (including the alternator coming out). I was told to hope it's not the "crossover pipe" (think that's what he said) - if it is, I "won't see my car for at least a week".
2) Apparently, a fuel pump that whines loud enough to be heard 10ft away - even over engine noise - is not a failure, so the warranty company will not pay. If I wait until I break down at the side of the road - then they'll pay. Not acceptable to me, so I guess I'm paying for a fuel pump.
3) Cause of brake pad wear light not found yet.
I am now expecting a multi-thousand pound bill - just how many remains to be seen. After buying a low mileage one owner car, I'm not that impressed - it's had problems almost always since I bought it, many of which have been fixed - but still has plenty more.
This is it's last chance. It has to behave itself after this (very expensive) service - or I will conclude that it's simply not a well built / reliable car, and I will be looking for something else as a daily driver (and it probably won't be a Porsche).
Yep, in keeping with mine. Sorry to say.
4) Secondary air bank 1 and 2 failure - there is a potential simple fix, but if it's not that I was told it may be better to live with it.
Can you tell us some more about that. whats the full SP. Does it have an effect on drivability?? Sorry Questions Questions
I would hope your bill wont be multiple thousands
Have you thought of doing the Fuel Pump Your self.
I have posted a few times a Question asking how many systems can be removed form the 996tt to make it more retro and more reliable. I still maintain they are a good car but living with it is a nightmare.
Good luck.
Look forward to your next post.
Frank.
Sunnysidebb said:
Hi mate,
Yep, in keeping with mine. Sorry to say.
4) Secondary air bank 1 and 2 failure - there is a potential simple fix, but if it's not that I was told it may be better to live with it.
Can you tell us some more about that. whats the full SP. Does it have an effect on drivability?? Sorry Questions Questions
I would hope your bill wont be multiple thousands
Have you thought of doing the Fuel Pump Your self.
I have posted a few times a Question asking how many systems can be removed form the 996tt to make it more retro and more reliable. I still maintain they are a good car but living with it is a nightmare.
Good luck.
Look forward to your next post.
Frank.
Er - the correct answer was : Don't worry mate, they're usually very reliable and once you've sorted this it will never break again...... Yep, in keeping with mine. Sorry to say.
4) Secondary air bank 1 and 2 failure - there is a potential simple fix, but if it's not that I was told it may be better to live with it.
Can you tell us some more about that. whats the full SP. Does it have an effect on drivability?? Sorry Questions Questions
I would hope your bill wont be multiple thousands
Have you thought of doing the Fuel Pump Your self.
I have posted a few times a Question asking how many systems can be removed form the 996tt to make it more retro and more reliable. I still maintain they are a good car but living with it is a nightmare.
Good luck.
Look forward to your next post.
Frank.
I can't remember exactly what he said about the air bank. He mentioned a solenoid I think - but I can't remember if that was the simple fix or the complicated one. I believe he did say that the complicated one meant taking the manifolds off etc.
When I mentioned the air bank failures before taking the car in, they told me it was something to do with pumping oxygen into the exhaust - something to do with cleaning up emissions? But on the phone today, I asked what the consequence of not fixing it would be - including would it mean I fail emissions - and they said it won't cause me any issues at all. They also said it's a very common failure.
I probably could do the fuel pump - but it's very accessible, so I think the charge is for the pump rather than the labour. Since they've got the car anyway they may as well sort it.
I think the 48k service cost is something like £550 + VAT. Add on a fuel pump, maybe a radiator (although I'll be able to claim that back from the warranty company), removal of alternator etc. plus whatever other labour is required to find the engine coolant leak, brake fluid flush etc. - I think I'm already well over the £1k mark. Before it went in, I reckoned maybe £1k if the warranty company paid out everything but £2k worst case if they didn't pay for anything. I'm now thinking I might be happy if it's "only" £2k.
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