Jazz auto problem
Discussion
MIL has got an 05 Jazz 1.4 Auto (flappy paddles).
It's done 34k miles and she's had it from new and is the only driver.
Now all of a sudden it's started to judder when pulling away and is worse when doing a hill start.
Could this be the torque converter about to give up (if it has one) or possibly something less sinister?
It's out of warranty now so ideally she'd be looking at going to a trusted indy in Notts somewhere (if one exists!)
Any ideas?
Cheers.
It's done 34k miles and she's had it from new and is the only driver.
Now all of a sudden it's started to judder when pulling away and is worse when doing a hill start.
Could this be the torque converter about to give up (if it has one) or possibly something less sinister?
It's out of warranty now so ideally she'd be looking at going to a trusted indy in Notts somewhere (if one exists!)
Any ideas?
Cheers.
jabba77 said:
Undoubtedly the usual CVT start clutch problem. Ignore the indy route and give your local friendly Honda dealer a call - the warranty on this part has been extended to 7 years/100k so all costs will be covered by Honda UK
What he said - it is a CVT box so not a conventional auto. I have an 07 model with 25k miles of heavy city driving (lots of stop start, short trips, heat, parking manoeuvres etc). Have read up on this and noticed a very slight judder when pulling away - took it in for an early oil change of the CVT box and it smooth like new again. Take it only to Honda though is my advice as this is a specialised gearbox and I have read stories online of people putting normal ATF instead of CVT oil in the box and detroying it.Google up JAZZ CVT GEARBOX PROBLEMS and you will find ons of info. Honestjohn.co.uk as some good UK specific posts there.
We never had any issues with ours in 60k but it was used out of town for a 17 mile commute. Now onto the next generation iShift.
However, did hear of the issue from a neighbour with an identical CVT - but it had been used mostly in town. Again - as stated - the oil change sorted the issue. Gets a bit thick.
However, did hear of the issue from a neighbour with an identical CVT - but it had been used mostly in town. Again - as stated - the oil change sorted the issue. Gets a bit thick.
ClassicMercs said:
We never had any issues with ours in 60k but it was used out of town for a 17 mile commute. Now onto the next generation iShift.
However, did hear of the issue from a neighbour with an identical CVT - but it had been used mostly in town. Again - as stated - the oil change sorted the issue. Gets a bit thick.
How are you finding the new model - seems much more refined and better insulated (I just sat in one not driven it though). The old one is a bit noisy at motorway speeds and the suspension is getting tiresome - too bloody stiff for the way it gets used!!However, did hear of the issue from a neighbour with an identical CVT - but it had been used mostly in town. Again - as stated - the oil change sorted the issue. Gets a bit thick.
We just did our first long trip (600kms) with it and was ok at 120km/h but at 140 was quite noisy with too much engine and wind noise - sounded like we doing 180!
Do you miss the smoothness of the CVT? The guy I bought ours from was complaining that the iShift was quite jerky (well his wife did so probably not driving it correctly!). I am sure the extra 15bhp comes in handy though..
Torn between the iShift and CVT.
The CVT certainly had the benefit of smoothness - I only used the paddles to hold gears eg steep downhills. With the iShift I use them all the time to allow me to determine the 'smooth' change technique. Mrs Mercs - the normal driver - uses the standard auto mode. I notice the lack of smoothness more as a driver than a passenger (may be that i'm only usually a passenger when drunk !!)
Seating comfort is better in my mums Note, but the later Jazz has added features missing from the early model. The iShift / current model certainly goes a bit better, if required, but we usually crawl around for mpg in this car (my SLK has the 'fun' pedal).
Our iShift was one of the first non demonstrators in the country and probably the first 'pink' one sold - recessions have one benefit. We got what we wanted straight away - if we could have waited for an old style pink car it was nine months (except for Jeremy Clarksons mum) - it was six for blue as it was.
Given our driving style I probably prefer the CVT. It was a great car - shame about some of the dealers.
The CVT certainly had the benefit of smoothness - I only used the paddles to hold gears eg steep downhills. With the iShift I use them all the time to allow me to determine the 'smooth' change technique. Mrs Mercs - the normal driver - uses the standard auto mode. I notice the lack of smoothness more as a driver than a passenger (may be that i'm only usually a passenger when drunk !!)
Seating comfort is better in my mums Note, but the later Jazz has added features missing from the early model. The iShift / current model certainly goes a bit better, if required, but we usually crawl around for mpg in this car (my SLK has the 'fun' pedal).
Our iShift was one of the first non demonstrators in the country and probably the first 'pink' one sold - recessions have one benefit. We got what we wanted straight away - if we could have waited for an old style pink car it was nine months (except for Jeremy Clarksons mum) - it was six for blue as it was.
Given our driving style I probably prefer the CVT. It was a great car - shame about some of the dealers.
I use the manual mode on out of town/motorway journeys as it feels punchier and gives acceleration without the revs rising too much. Funny thing is this in 7th 'gear' the revs can still fluctuate whilst speed remains the same.
In town it is mainly in CVT 'S' mode as provide much better response and engine braking and can pull away from the lights sharpish in 'S' mode. I like the normal on CVT 'D' mode when on on leisurely runs in light traffic - it can make amazing progress with less than 2k revs!
I must say I like having all these gearbox options - makes it fun, even in what is a 'dull' car. I have grown attached to the CVT idea for a town/city type car and wish more manufacturers would do it, especially like the Jazz with so many options to choose from in terms of how you use it.
My only gripes with this Jazz is gard ride, not enough noise insulation and a little more power. All addressed by the new one but then they go and dump the CVT box...
Last year when I looked at the new Jazz in Greece Honda were giving no discounts, crappy part ex prices and 3-6 month wait for an i-Shift. They sell loads of Jazz's here as it makes allot more sense in Athens then London, so no 'deals' and used values are strong - I paid 11k euros for 07 CVT with 18k miles on the clock, no alloys, climate control, fog lights and front elec windows only! Can get the same money back now with higher mileage.
I saw 2 pink new Jazzes yesterday but most are pearl white, blue an black. The pink on the old shape was rare, only seen 1. Most popular colours on that were silver, grey, light met blue and a few black ones. There
was also a light met green but not popular along with a custard yellow which is just ugly!
The dealers here are great (quite a surprise for Greece). Labour rates are 45.00eur an hour and they were friendly, helpful and provided a courtesy car. They had a silly price for brake pads (180.00 euro for the front and rear parts only) so I got that done privately for 100eur including labour. The rest of the parts were a sensible price and not much more than purchasing from the motor factors.
In town it is mainly in CVT 'S' mode as provide much better response and engine braking and can pull away from the lights sharpish in 'S' mode. I like the normal on CVT 'D' mode when on on leisurely runs in light traffic - it can make amazing progress with less than 2k revs!
I must say I like having all these gearbox options - makes it fun, even in what is a 'dull' car. I have grown attached to the CVT idea for a town/city type car and wish more manufacturers would do it, especially like the Jazz with so many options to choose from in terms of how you use it.
My only gripes with this Jazz is gard ride, not enough noise insulation and a little more power. All addressed by the new one but then they go and dump the CVT box...
Last year when I looked at the new Jazz in Greece Honda were giving no discounts, crappy part ex prices and 3-6 month wait for an i-Shift. They sell loads of Jazz's here as it makes allot more sense in Athens then London, so no 'deals' and used values are strong - I paid 11k euros for 07 CVT with 18k miles on the clock, no alloys, climate control, fog lights and front elec windows only! Can get the same money back now with higher mileage.
I saw 2 pink new Jazzes yesterday but most are pearl white, blue an black. The pink on the old shape was rare, only seen 1. Most popular colours on that were silver, grey, light met blue and a few black ones. There
was also a light met green but not popular along with a custard yellow which is just ugly!
The dealers here are great (quite a surprise for Greece). Labour rates are 45.00eur an hour and they were friendly, helpful and provided a courtesy car. They had a silly price for brake pads (180.00 euro for the front and rear parts only) so I got that done privately for 100eur including labour. The rest of the parts were a sensible price and not much more than purchasing from the motor factors.
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