Sleepers!

[doodles19]

I have a "thing" for them,


however, after much searching, it seems that they are a right bugger to find good threads/articles about.


So, the point being to this thread, has anyone got any good stories/articles/videos or anything else to share regarding the wonderful things that are sleepers!?


Doodles.

[911p]

This. 850bhp.

[DanGPR]

Try searching for "Q car" instead of sleeper, gogle seems to turn up a few good links.

EDIT: that M5 is not even nearly a sleeper! It's an M5 to start with, which is obviously quick and then it's got tarty wheels and body mods!

Edited by DanGPR on Monday 9th August 14:22

[UncleRic]

They do make rather nice raised flower beds don't they?

[snowy slopes]

Depends what sort of sleeper you are after. If you want a generic manufacturer produced car, then you need to look for stuff on the audi rs6, volvo v70r etc etc. I would rather go for something completely different, and contact the beardmore bothers(who specialise in putting different en gines in moggy minors) and get them to sling a coosie engine in a minor for me, with standard paint and minilite rims it would be ace

[sc4589]

Look up some proper sleeper cars:

- VW Passat W8
- Volvo S80 T6 (to a certain degree)
- Most BMW M cars.
- Almost any AMG, especially the old '65 series, complete with 612bhp and 784lb/ft torque... in the S-Class, CL and SL. Mental.
- Volvo S60R (manual though, the auto is much, much slower according to actual figures).
- Lotus Carlton
- Audi RS models. Especially the old RS4... RS2 was a little more obvious but still pretty sleeper-ish...

I love these kind of cars.

[Original Poster]

Most of them seem to be little hatchbacks etc.

UncleRic said:

They do make rather nice raised flower beds don't they?

<snigger>

[omgus]

There is a very long q-car thread on here somewhere, I would search for it, but if you can't be arsed neither can I.

[doodles19]

I remember seeing iirc a passat (diesel?) with something outrageous like 440 brake whilst looking almost completely standard, that was the sort of thing I was after. Something that looks utterly boring and generic, but would blow your head off acceleration wise/make the person in the corsa trying to race you off the lights rather embarrassed.


edit: Cheers for the info, I'll get googling Q-cars asap .

[james_tigerwoods]

They are comfy, I do like them - they keep my feet warm too.



Ohhhh - Sleepers...

[Daniel1]

I have remembered seeing a totally standard mk3/4 escort in that horrible sun bleached baby blue with steel wheels but a nice barryboys exhaust. I know it had a cosworth engine in but no idea of spec or driven wheels.

looked pretty sleeperish

[djt100]

That BMW is not a sleeper, the PH search is rubbish, but there is a nice old clio on here somewhere that I'd consider a propert sleeper. looks like a shopping trolley but with a williams lump in. V.Nice

[sc4589]

djt100 said:

That BMW is not a sleeper, the PH search is rubbish, but there is a nice old clio on here somewhere that I'd consider a propert sleeper. looks like a shopping trolley but with a williams lump in. V.Nice

The Prilliams!

[aka_kerrly]

doodles19 said:

I remember seeing iirc a passat (diesel?) with something outrageous like 440 brake whilst looking almost completely standard, that was the sort of thing I was after. Something that looks utterly boring and generic, but would blow your head off acceleration wise/make the person in the corsa trying to race you off the lights rather embarrassed.


edit: Cheers for the info, I'll get googling Q-cars asap .

Are you sure it was a diesel... are you perhaps thinking of a standard looking silver Passat b5 that had a tuned Audi S4 Bi-Turbo engine in it.

Surely the best sleepers are cars that were never known to be quick even to car enthusiasts eg a few i know of, a Beige Polo mk2 that has 200+ G40 lump in it, or a mk1 starlet with RX7 lump in it , there is a a huge number on minis with Bike engines, a Cinqichento (spelling?) with a Astra 2.0 16v engine in the back, a classic beetle with a Audi S3 lump in the back or a WRX engine or a Moris Minor with a 5L V8 in it.. there are loads.

Tip, find something slow and discreet and shoehorn the largest engine you can get your hands on lol.

[snotrag]

sc4589 said:

djt100 said:

That BMW is not a sleeper, the PH search is rubbish, but there is a nice old clio on here somewhere that I'd consider a propert sleeper. looks like a shopping trolley but with a williams lump in. V.Nice

The Prilliams!

Should have called it the 'Wilma' though.

[doodles19]

Ahhhh this is where things get interesting, I would say that your average m5/rs4/6/t5 or whatever is not a proper sleeper/q car, any petrolhead will be able to identify these cars from a mile away, we all know what an m5/rs6/t5 is capable of, this then detracts somewhat from the whole shock and awe aspect of a truely mundane generic looking car going faster than believed possible that I really like. I would hardly call an AMG merc or whatever, with its big rims, AMG badges galore, massive drilled discs a subtle car.

The whole appeal of a sleeper/Q car to me, is that there are utterly no hints on the exterior of the car that tell of its real performance.

But that's just my opinion, feel free to dis-agree.

[Chapppers]

I happened across a rather fast new shape passat last night on the A14.. no idea what it was but it seemed to accelerate quite quickly. Perhaps a debadged R36

[911p]

DanGPR said:

EDIT: that M5 is not even nearly a sleeper! It's an M5 to start with, which is obviously quick and then it's got tarty wheels and body mods!

Considering it's as quick as a GSX-R 1000, I'd say it's a sleeper. You'd never think some old "chavved up" M5 would be staying ahead of you on your 1000cc supersports Suzuki now, would you?

[sc4589]

doodles19 said:

Ahhhh this is where things get interesting, I would say that your average m5/rs4/6/t5 or whatever is not a proper sleeper/q car, any petrolhead will be able to identify these cars from a mile away, we all know what an m5/rs6/t5 is capable of, this then detracts somewhat from the whole shock and awe aspect of a truely mundane generic looking car going faster than believed possible that I really like. I would hardly call an AMG merc or whatever, with its big rims, AMG badges galore, massive drilled discs a subtle car.

The whole appeal of a sleeper/Q car to me, is that there are utterly no hints on the exterior of the car that tell of its real performance.

But that's just my opinion, feel free to dis-agree.

Disagree.

Common punters don't know what they're looking at.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2269...

That's pretty much a perfect sleeper to me. Autocar did a brilliant faux-Sweeney article with that vs. the Volvo S80 T6 at some point, think it could have been 2004..?

[doodles19]

Found it!

Edited by doodles19 on Monday 9th August 14:42

Edited by doodles19 on Monday 9th August 14:44

Edited by doodles19 on Monday 9th August 14:46