Renault Engine Issue - 2.2 Diesel - Just Don't!!!!
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A cautionary tale for anyone (no I know you arent likely to, being of sound mind) investing in a Renault vehicle with the 2.2dci engine in it.
This could include the Espace as I have
(the shame of it), Traffic, Laguna etc etc etc
There is a major design floor in this engine that Renault (head office) refuse to acknowledge funnily enough.
This engine has a plastic manifold gasket
which is a weak point (a pathetic and wholely insufficient piece of design) and when it goes it could well take your engine with it.
I was 'lucky' that I stopped when I did on a long journey and discovered the oil plastering the wheel arch, road and all down the side of my car - I got no warning from the dash that it had s
t all its oil out, and only by luck did I have a scheduled stop.
Needless to say my long journey wound up as a lengthy ride back the exact same road in a recovery truck with my stricken piece of st Renault on the back.
Again, needless to say Renault arent interested in the fact that their own technicians know this as a design failing, and following a 1500 quid bill to replace this shoddy component, Renault are unwilling to stand by their product. This after having fannied around replacing an oil seal on the engine which they knew wasn't the problem (at a cost of around 300 quid), and not having road tested it until I insisted on them doing so - et voila, the fking thing pissed oil out everywhere again, at my expense obviously 
.
Some would argue that as the car is around 6 years old, thats my tough st - but with it only having done (less than) 60,000 miles, and never having endured any hard work in its short life, I thought their customer services deserved a workout.
Personally, I dont believe that with the technology available today and with the personal circumstances of this particular vehicle it should be acceptable for a modern car to fail in such a spectacular and dangerous fashion. It spewed oil all over my front brakes leaving me lacking in stopping power, and still not a peep from their normally very expressive onboard computer.
What really grips my st, is that the technicians and local customer services guys that were dealing with me were in total agreement that its a KNOWN FAULT, and an unacceptable weakness - But the ivory tower people wont have a word of it. Their customer services guy offered to help me stove it into their showroom window if anything else went wrong... Read into that what you will.
In summary - Dont buy a Renault if you can help it, although I cant complain at the manner of the individual staff of the Renault dealership I became frequently acquainted with, the head honchos couldnt give a flying fk about the quality, longevity or safety of their product. In particular, this engine used in the Renault range is a fragile piece of st, and should be avoided at all costs!
On a serious note: I would be VERY interested to hear from anyone else who has experience or knowledge of this issue, or knows of others who have! It would certainly aide long term in stopping 'them' palming us off with st massed produced faulty products which would probably have been recalled if it werent so labour intensive for them to put it right.
Apologies for the long post!
This could include the Espace as I have
(the shame of it), Traffic, Laguna etc etc etcThere is a major design floor in this engine that Renault (head office) refuse to acknowledge funnily enough.
This engine has a plastic manifold gasket
which is a weak point (a pathetic and wholely insufficient piece of design) and when it goes it could well take your engine with it. I was 'lucky' that I stopped when I did on a long journey and discovered the oil plastering the wheel arch, road and all down the side of my car - I got no warning from the dash that it had s
t all its oil out, and only by luck did I have a scheduled stop. Needless to say my long journey wound up as a lengthy ride back the exact same road in a recovery truck with my stricken piece of s
t Renault on the back. Again, needless to say Renault arent interested in the fact that their own technicians know this as a design failing, and following a 1500 quid bill to replace this shoddy component, Renault are unwilling to stand by their product. This after having fannied around replacing an oil seal on the engine which they knew wasn't the problem (at a cost of around 300 quid), and not having road tested it until I insisted on them doing so - et voila, the f
king thing pissed oil out everywhere again, at my expense obviously . Some would argue that as the car is around 6 years old, thats my tough s
t - but with it only having done (less than) 60,000 miles, and never having endured any hard work in its short life, I thought their customer services deserved a workout.Personally, I dont believe that with the technology available today and with the personal circumstances of this particular vehicle it should be acceptable for a modern car to fail in such a spectacular and dangerous fashion. It spewed oil all over my front brakes leaving me lacking in stopping power, and still not a peep from their normally very expressive onboard computer.
What really grips my s
t, is that the technicians and local customer services guys that were dealing with me were in total agreement that its a KNOWN FAULT, and an unacceptable weakness - But the ivory tower people wont have a word of it. Their customer services guy offered to help me stove it into their showroom window if anything else went wrong... Read into that what you will. In summary - Dont buy a Renault if you can help it, although I cant complain at the manner of the individual staff of the Renault dealership I became frequently acquainted with, the head honchos couldnt give a flying f
k about the quality, longevity or safety of their product. In particular, this engine used in the Renault range is a fragile piece of st, and should be avoided at all costs! On a serious note: I would be VERY interested to hear from anyone else who has experience or knowledge of this issue, or knows of others who have! It would certainly aide long term in stopping 'them' palming us off with s
t massed produced faulty products which would probably have been recalled if it werent so labour intensive for them to put it right. Apologies for the long post!
thinfourth2 said:
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t. I am very lucky to have bought and owned some nice cars in my time - this is the newest car Ive owned and fully expected that I could rely on it to do the job which it was intended for - 'Fit for purpose' is the phrase Ive used to Renault on several occasion! But it just isnt!
How can you justify this sort of poxy product, service and backup in this day and age?
I'm still hopeful (yes I must be mad) that Renault will see the light and do me the good grace of putting right what is clearly a manufacturing / component mistake - am I mad to think that I'll ever get anything out of them?
A911DOM said:
If only I had half a brain before buying one of these fragile pieces of st.
Not just yout. My old neighbour had a laguna
It blew up
He fitted a new engine, sold it and bought
A laguna
It blew up
He fitted a new engine, sold it and bought
A laguna
I gave up and stopped helping him change engines
Actually i was the thick one as i kept helping him change the engine
thinfourth2 said:
Not just you
My old neighbour had a laguna
It blew up
He fitted a new engine, sold it and bought
A laguna
It blew up
He fitted a new engine, sold it and bought
A laguna
I gave up and stopped helping him change engines
No offence to your neighbour, but I think this behaviour is the textbook definition of an idiotMy old neighbour had a laguna
It blew up
He fitted a new engine, sold it and bought
A laguna
It blew up
He fitted a new engine, sold it and bought
A laguna
I gave up and stopped helping him change engines
Edited by Matt UK on Wednesday 6th October 20:08
You'll find a whole load of complaints about just about all the DCI engines - We have lost count of the number of injectors we have replaced on those bits of st. - frankly, that yours lasted 60k before it happening is nothing short of amazing - the shortest time I've seen a DCI last is a 1.5 from a clio doing 216miles before throwing a rod. I know of many 1.9 DCI's that have seized due to oil starvation - could be caused by a similar component fault?
t. - frankly, that yours lasted 60k before it happening is nothing short of amazing - the shortest time I've seen a DCI last is a 1.5 from a clio doing 216miles before throwing a rod. I know of many 1.9 DCI's that have seized due to oil starvation - could be caused by a similar component fault?I had a 2002 1.6 Laguna with 70k miles for 5 months. Nice drive, confortable, well equipped and easy on the eye.
500ml of oil a week pissing out of the engine (onto the road and out the exhaust on startup as blue smoke).
A faulty seal was the cause of the leak. I enquired at the local Renault dealer as to the cost of a replacement seal.
"We dont make these" said the parts chap who answered the phone.
"Dont make them ?" I asked, "so what do I do to stop this then ?"
"I can bring up cost of a new head for you"
"No thanks mate, bye"
Steam clean and a quick trade-in followed, still mangaged to make my money back on it, stealer took a good 6 weeks to shift it though !
Enough to put me off Renault cars for a long time. Such a shame as nine years previously I had bought a brand spanking new Clio and it was great !
Should add it broke down on me in Aberdeenshire between Christmas and New Year, on a public holiday, would you believe it.... a coil. Got it replaced... a week later, engine dies....would you believe it...a coil....
500ml of oil a week pissing out of the engine (onto the road and out the exhaust on startup as blue smoke).
A faulty seal was the cause of the leak. I enquired at the local Renault dealer as to the cost of a replacement seal.
"We dont make these" said the parts chap who answered the phone.
"Dont make them ?" I asked, "so what do I do to stop this then ?"
"I can bring up cost of a new head for you"
"No thanks mate, bye"
Steam clean and a quick trade-in followed, still mangaged to make my money back on it, stealer took a good 6 weeks to shift it though !
Enough to put me off Renault cars for a long time. Such a shame as nine years previously I had bought a brand spanking new Clio and it was great !
Should add it broke down on me in Aberdeenshire between Christmas and New Year, on a public holiday, would you believe it.... a coil. Got it replaced... a week later, engine dies....would you believe it...a coil....
Edited by MondeoMan1981 on Wednesday 6th October 19:56
Matt UK said:
thinfourth2 said:
Not just you
My old neighbour had a laguna
It blew up
He fitted a new engine, sold it and bought
A laguna
It blew up
He fitted a new engine, sold it and bought
A laguna
I gave up and stopped helping him change engines
No offence to your neighbour, but I think this behaviour is the texbook definition of an idiotMy old neighbour had a laguna
It blew up
He fitted a new engine, sold it and bought
A laguna
It blew up
He fitted a new engine, sold it and bought
A laguna
I gave up and stopped helping him change engines
I'm not entirely sure who was the idiot
But he bought me beer
The fatboy said:
I won't ever look on a french car since after the warranty period problems can turn up anytime, esp when it is getting aged it might be staying in garage more than your parking place if you are unlucky that you've picked a poor conditioned one which you can't see on appearance.
I nearly understood that, and I am half pissed 
Geesus wept!
O/T I know but the swear filter on that Parkers forum is magnificently bad. If you type 'assembly' it comes out as '***embly'. 'Document' is censored to 'do***ment', 'analysis' as '****ysis' and so on. It's like being on a forum run by Finbarr Saunders. If I find myself with nothing better to do, I might see if I can compose an on-topic, non-rude message in which every single word is censored.
Edited by 230TE on Wednesday 6th October 20:25
The timing of this thread is pretty interesting.
Bloke at work has a 2.2 DCI which I went out in today. He complained of it not starting sometimes and had diagnosed it to air in the fuel system. Apparently air is getting back in through the exhaust.....
I knew these things were st. Maybe I should tell him to sell it before it's too late.
Bloke at work has a 2.2 DCI which I went out in today. He complained of it not starting sometimes and had diagnosed it to air in the fuel system. Apparently air is getting back in through the exhaust.....
I knew these things were s
t. Maybe I should tell him to sell it before it's too late.
230TE said:
O/T I know but the swear filter on that Parkers forum is magnificently bad. If you type 'assembly' it comes out as '***embly'. 'Document' is censored to 'do***ment', 'analysis' as '****ysis' and so on. If I find myself with nothing better to do, I might see if I can compose an on-topic, non-rude message in which every single word is censored.
Yup, but it does make it fun getting around it. Well for 1/2 hour at least.Anyway see this steaming pile of s
t.Laguna 3.0 Initiale, dogs b
ks at the time (bks piece of st in my view)
Well I had that for 6 months fast as fook, ate tyres like a hungry w
e. The tires were made for the car pity the company that made them stopped, hence the car geometry got fooked.Then came the day the coil packs blew, then the computer didnt like to display any fuel it must have been bored but did this for weeks.
Then one day the oil started, so I took it off the road and used a pool car from work. Traded the bugger in and found out later that during a test drive but before they left the garage the bottom of the engine fell out.
Which is where I found Parkers forums.
Edited by Allanv on Wednesday 6th October 20:39
Edited by Allanv on Wednesday 6th October 20:41
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