Intruder Alarm Help Needed

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Any alarm installers fancy doing me a favour - I'm having trouble with the wiring for 2 external sounders (well I think that's what is is).

Using a Menvier TS900 panel with Gardiner Nova Delta SAB's.

I've found some installation guides for the SAB's but they seem to be a bit vague/incomplete.

Thanks in advance

[Westy Pre-Lit]

Here's the Panel guide, the picture of the board is on page 6.

http://www.challenger.co.uk/downloads/AP22-24Eng.p...

I can't find a PDF for the bell that will allow you to download without being a member of a site.

Does the bell box guide show any wiring diagrams at all or indicate what any of the terminals are?

The first bell will be connect where it indicates 'External sounder connections' in the diagram on page 6 of the link above. I'd have thought the second bell would then be linked from the first bell somehow rather than directly from the panel.

Sorry but never used any of your equipment before, hopefully somebody else has.

Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Sunday 24th October 16:10

[Alan H]

fairly straight forward once you grasp it. The terminals may be called different things at panel and bell box

ie
bell trig is the same as bell - is the same as bell ring
hold + is bell+
hold - is just - (where- = neg)

so from page 6 from the above post
trig - this goes neg in alarm condition
stb is strobe neg this goes neg in alarm condition
tr- is tamper neg return this is a neg back from bell box via tamper switch
h/o- negative to bell box to hold off
h/o= positive to bell box to hold off

in the bell box you should have similar terminals but might be slightly different symbols


for 2 bell boxs you connect to gether both bell boxes as follows

both wired to
trig -
stb
h/o+

only one bell wired to
h/o-
The tamper return from the first bell box is the neg feed to the second bell box so put the tamper return from the first in a bit of block with your wire that goes to h/o- on the second
the tamper return from the second bell box goes to tr- on the panel.


When you power them up they might sound until you get both covers onn and tamper switches closed.

crap drawing follows. hope this helps. I'll be on and off all day

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/alanhicks/im...

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Westy

Thanks for the reply. I have this manual (which I only found yesterday & was an improvement on the previous one I had - not the used guide - its only 18 pages & didn't have the diagram for the sounder connections. I guess this kit is fairly old-hat now.


Alan

You are a star

The wiring on your diagram is different from how it is presently wired (see below)






Below is from one data sheet for the SAB that I found. I lists more terminals than the one at the bottom & the title is the best match for the model installed (although the description for the SAB's is from the original install letter).





Below is another data sheet for an SAB. It describes the SAB/SCB jumper setting for two sounders, whereas the previous one doesn't. Is this setting needed? Does it matter which one has the SCB (if it is to be used)?

The diagram on this one matches yours, however as can be seen, there is an extra terminal on the SABs (TMP F).



Thanks again for the help

[Alan H]

your drawing above is correct

just doing another sketch.give me 5

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Alan H said:

your drawing above is correct

just doing another sketch.give me 5

OK, thanks Alan.

Also, the strobes don't work.

Edit: The keypad (Starburst) is showing AUX Tamper

Edited by Smiler. on Sunday 24th October 12:55

[Alan H]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/alanhicks/im...

[Alan H]

see below

Edited by Alan H on Sunday 24th October 13:20

[Alan H]

just above the bell connections on the panel there are two terminals marked "aux tamp" if there not used put a link in

Just found panel manual

Edited by Alan H on Sunday 24th October 13:21

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Alan H said:

aux tamper will be the bell box tamp assuming you have the control panel lid on.

So the wiring in your second diagram matches how it is actually wired.

The jumpers are both set to SAB.

The system will not set due to Aux TMP

Where the system goes into alarm when a cover is removed, the sounders operate but the strobes don't.

Anything else to check?

[Alan H]

see post above about aux tamp

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Ah, the Aux Tamp terminals on the panel are only wired to the indoor speakers (I didn't label them on my diagram).

Is the Aux Tamp message to do with this & not the SABs?

[Alan H]

yes aux tamp will be your connections in panel to the speakers

Edited by Alan H on Sunday 24th October 13:35

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There must be something wrong with the PCB as the Aux Tamper is not clearing. There appears top be nothing wrong with the wiring. I even removed it & put in a short link.

Bugger!

[Alan H]

Hi
Very rearly do we have pcb faults from new. You have just got to eliminate each tamper until it clears.

I have not fitted this panel but some can have Aux tamp doing different things so.................

1 Aux tamp terminals....you have linked out. So not that

2 Connect a wire from h/o- to Tr on bell connections in panel. This will get rid of any bell box problems

3 Make sure remote keypad tamper is working correctly

4 obvious I know, you have been trying to reset with the control panel lid on I take it

Its not a zone tamper as these give you a circuit number as well

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Alan H said:

Hi
Very rearly do we have pcb faults from new. You have just got to eliminate each tamper until it clears.

I have not fitted this panel but some can have Aux tamp doing different things so.................

1 Aux tamp terminals....you have linked out. So not that

2 Connect a wire from h/o- to Tr on bell connections in panel. This will get rid of any bell box problems

3 Make sure remote keypad tamper is working correctly

4 obvious I know, you have been trying to reset with the control panel lid on I take it

Its not a zone tamper as these give you a circuit number as well

Thanks Alan. It's an old system, installed when the previous owner was here around 2001.

Tried the H/O- to TR- short, problem solved. So, I need to check the connections.


Edit 1: The circuit wiring away from the panel is open between H/O- & TR-

Edit 2: Opening of the tamper switch does nothing on one of the SAB's.

Edited by Smiler. on Sunday 24th October 17:16

Edited by Smiler. on Sunday 24th October 17:33

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2 hours later & I can't find the problem.

However, I put in the direct link between H/O- & TR- at the panel.

Closed up all the SABs. The Strobe light began flashing (which is hasn't done for months).

I then took the link out.

Problem seems to have gone.

What's all that about then?

One thing I did notice - the resistance between the green & whit to the farthest SAB is 10 ohms (it's a long run). Is this too high?

I am truly baffled

Anyway, thanks for all your help with

[Alan H]

10 ohms is fine,

Glad its sorted !!!!!!!!!!!!!

any time

[forrester]

Hi all

I have fitted a Galaxy G2-20. I have a Pyronix Deltabell E fitted and recently fitted an internal siren. I am a bit rusty on install as not done it for years. My Deltabell works fine but when i fitted the internal siren the deltabell just constantly sounds until i remove the siren. The siren is working fine when i do a bell test but they just seem to not work together. I wired all the wires in same terminals i.e both reds (h/o+) both black (h/o-) both blues (trig) and both yellows (tamper). I have done this before and both bells work. Do i HAVE to wire with tamper from one bell to neg on the other? or is there something else going on??