RE: 'Clubsport' Audi TT Unveiled

RE: 'Clubsport' Audi TT Unveiled

Tuesday 30th November 2010

'Clubsport' Audi TT Unveiled

2012 GT4 concept demo'd at Shanghai DTM event



Audi has taken the wraps of a TT-based GT4 racer that will form the basis of its 'affordable motorsport' offer in 2012.

The production-based racer features motorsport-friendly upgrades like a roll-over cage and safety-optimised fuel tank and Audi says modifications will be identical for all future customer sport versions.

The car gets a TFSI engine delivering about 340 hp, and the front apron, rear apron and the rear wing have been developed from the production Audi TT RS. The hood, doors and boot lid are made of CFRP and the windows of plastic, and customers will get S-tronic transmission with a differential lock, modified production suspension with adjustable dampers, plus 9.5 x 18 inch light alloy wheels.

The Audi TT GT4 is planned to sell for about 120,000 euros, they tell us, and the car was launched in Shanghai because the regular TT has just gone on sale there.

Five-time Le Mans winner Frank Biela did some demo laps in the new Audi TT on the street circuit in Shanghai during the DTM weekend just gone, hence the window stickers.

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RudeDog

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Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Sounds like a lot of money for a TT based racer given what else is available in this price bracket.

I could be wrong though, I have never really paid more than a passing interest at this type of motor.

andy97

4,691 posts

221 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Hopefully some one will race it in Eoropean GT4 or the British GT4 series. Its the same sort of money as an Aston Martin GT4 racer, though, & more expensive than the Ginetta G50.

goron59

397 posts

170 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Surprised no one is complaining about a lack of manual gearbox.

RTH

1,057 posts

211 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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What is the definition of affordable motor sport, just for who exactly ?

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

197 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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goron59 said:
Surprised no one is complaining about a lack of manual gearbox.
Why would they? It's a race car. An semi-auto offers a distinct advantage.

adz13091982

185 posts

167 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Looks like a focus rs from the front??

mat205125

17,790 posts

212 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Loving the bolt on rear arches .... Very Proton Satria GTi Porsche GT2 cloud9

Johnpidge

588 posts

188 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Headlines - Audi TT skids in snow and drives into Halfords collecting numerous Demon Tweeks parts in process eek

Vidal Baboon

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214 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Affordable & 120k (just for the car) in the same paragraphhehe

Would it really cost £80,000 to take a normal TT to competition standard?

mat205125

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212 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Johnpidge said:
Headlines - Audi TT skids in snow and drives into Halfords collecting numerous Demon Tweeks parts in process eek
I wish I could go into Halfords, and buy the quality, and type, of parts which that car has fitted to it wink

Atrophy

78 posts

184 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Johnpidge said:
Headlines - Audi TT skids in snow and drives into Halfords collecting numerous Demon Tweeks parts in process eek
smile

I could think of 120,000 reasons not to buy this car

mat205125

17,790 posts

212 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Vidal Baboon said:
Affordable & 120k (just for the car) in the same paragraphhehe

Would it really cost £80,000 to take a normal TT to competition standard?
People have, do and will spend that kind of money on building and developing a competetive race car from a humble road car.

What the Audi offers for the money is, hopefully, a turn-key car that is competetive straight out the box, reliable, and with factory backup to call upon.

BBS-LM

3,972 posts

223 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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RTH said:
What is the definition of affordable motor sport, just for who exactly ?
hahaha, true. There is no such thing as affordable Motor sport, there is on the other hand expensive motor sport, and very expensive motor sport. If I had that kind of money I would love to race the Ginetta G50, a custom race car from the ground up.

Vidal Baboon

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214 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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mat205125 said:
Vidal Baboon said:
Affordable & 120k (just for the car) in the same paragraphhehe

Would it really cost £80,000 to take a normal TT to competition standard?
People have, do and will spend that kind of money on building and developing a competetive race car from a humble road car.

What the Audi offers for the money is, hopefully, a turn-key car that is competetive straight out the box, reliable, and with factory backup to call upon.
I've no doubt that some people have huge budgets. It just seems alot of dosh for what's described above.

Not much techy info to go on, but from what I read into the article it has:

coil over suspension monroe shocksbiggrin , brakes lifted from an RS4, compomotive wheels, different ecu for the box, TTS engine with a remap, fuel pump & exhaust, roll cage, some bucket seats, translogic dash, fuel cell & some composite panels.


Surprised I didn't see 'torques' mentionedhehe

Any more techy info available?

Edited by Vidal Baboon on Tuesday 30th November 13:35


Edited by Vidal Baboon on Tuesday 30th November 13:37

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

197 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Vidal Baboon said:
mat205125 said:
Vidal Baboon said:
Affordable & 120k (just for the car) in the same paragraphhehe

Would it really cost £80,000 to take a normal TT to competition standard?
People have, do and will spend that kind of money on building and developing a competetive race car from a humble road car.

What the Audi offers for the money is, hopefully, a turn-key car that is competetive straight out the box, reliable, and with factory backup to call upon.
I've no doubt that some people have huge budgets. It just seems alot of dosh for what's described above.

Not much techy info to go on, but from what I read into the article it has:

coil over suspension monroe shocksbiggrin , brakes lifted from an RS4, compomotive wheels, different ecu for the box, TTS engine with a remap, fuel pump & exhaust, roll cage, some bucket seats, translogic dash, fuel cell & some composite panels.


Surprised I didn't see 'torques' mentionedhehe

Any more techy info available?

Edited by Vidal Baboon on Tuesday 30th November 13:35


Edited by Vidal Baboon on Tuesday 30th November 13:37
To head off the how much comments. 80+ is the going rate for a GT4 car.

Look at it this way, the cost breaks down as follows:

  • Now parts that cost more than the road car - brakes, dampers, engine mods etc.
  • Testing of new parts to ensure reliability - at something like £600-1000 per day, per engineer.
  • Designing the thing - at the same day rate costs.
  • Chassis set-up / handling - circuit hire time + cost of dev driver + cost of engineers.
Then consider they won't sell more than a handful.

The costs are reasonable.



Edited by rhinochopig on Wednesday 1st December 09:44

Nuppy

95 posts

161 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Is it me or does it look like a mini-Gumpert..?!

yearoneracing

75 posts

249 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Assuming its RWD to run in GT4? Looks expensive next to a G50.

Terry Barr

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197 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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yearoneracing said:
Assuming its RWD to run in GT4? Looks expensive next to a G50.
If its RWD then a road version would be a desirable TT.

RudeDog

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Terry Barr said:
yearoneracing said:
Assuming its RWD to run in GT4? Looks expensive next to a G50.
If its RWD then a road version would be a desirable TT.
You think? It would still have two major problems IMO.

  1. It would still be an Audi
  2. It would still be a TT

Simon Mason

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268 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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yearoneracing said:
Assuming its RWD to run in GT4? Looks expensive next to a G50.
Everything in GT4 is more expensive than a G50 to buy new, even a Lotus and a KTM, because it is a very simple car to start with. They all cost similar money to run though.

To make an Aston Martin Vantage, a Lotus 2-Eleven or the Audi TT competitive in GT4 against a purpose built racecar requires allot of high quality part upgrades in a very intelligent way over the base car cost. Then you have to consider that this has to be fitted by hand. You can guarantee any of the road derived cars have allot more parts on them in general to add time required to build it.

Also frankly the likes of Audi and Aston carry allot more kudos in general so I think the typical new GT4 car cost of £100K+ is quite acceptable for what goes into them. The G50 is an exception by its very nature.