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tik123456

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2 posts

39 months

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Hi All, I am after some feedback. I have "found" a car in a scrap yard that has a number plate that I would love to buy. I have tried the DVLA......no real help only standard replies about registrations going with the demise of the vehicles.
I have traced the history of this 1988 vehicle and this car was written off in 2001 (Cat B). So the question is, can I buy it for spares, apply for a V5 in my name, SORN it, retain the reg, transfer it to my own car, then scrap it again?. Sounds a bit long winded but would welcome the feedback. Regards

curlie467

4,108 posts

81 months

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In a word, no. A car has to be mot`d to be abe to get the reg from it.

magpie215

2,052 posts

69 months

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I am Fairly sure the car you want to transfer the registration from must have a current valid MOT.

randlemarcus

9,331 posts

111 months

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You can only transfer a plate off an MOT'd car. (not sure about taxed)

You could buy the car, restore it, transfer the plate off and sell the Cat B on.

You could buy the shell, borrow an identical car and hope the MOT station is not checking VINs that day.

Or you could buy another plate.

TheLurker

857 posts

76 months

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Dodgy MOT centre? Plus a few beers?
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TheEnd

13,523 posts

68 months

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magpie215 said:
I am Fairly sure the car you want to transfer the registration from must have a current valid MOT.
Not entirely true, they do have some leeway on this,

"Thank you for your email.

Transferring or retaining a registration mark from a vehicle that is to be scrapped:

Provided the vehicle that you are scrapping still has a valid MOT and is currently licensed you may transfer/retain the registration mark.

If the licence disc on the donor vehicle has expired you may still be able to apply to transfer/retain its number without renewing the licence, provided, the vehicle licence expired no more than 12 months prior to the date of the application and a valid SORN declaration has been made. You should be aware in these cases it is likely that the DVLA local office where you make your application will wish to inspect the vehicle.

The DVLA Local Office will allocate the donor vehicle a replacement registration mark.

Further information:

The cherished transfer and retention requirements are quite clear. Participating vehicles must exist, be registered at DVLA and be available for inspection. In addition, vehicles must be of a type that is subject to an annual roadworthiness test and have a valid test pass certificate if appropriate, and have a current vehicle excise licence. The rationale behind the licensing and testable requirements is that vehicles which qualify are generally in a suitable condition for our staff to inspect. This means that their identities, and thus their entitlement to the marks claimed, are easier to verify.

There is, however, a longstanding concession to the licensing requirement for donor vehicles only. The keeper of a donor vehicle may still apply to transfer its number if the vehicle licence expired naturally within the last twelve months provided SORN has been declared. There must be no break between the expiry date of the licence and the commencement of the SORN.

This concession was introduced to cater for individuals who, for reasons beyond their control (such as an unexpected MOT failure) are unable to relicence their vehicle. The concession does not apply to individuals who have chosen to apply for a refund of vehicle excise duty, thus voluntarily taking their vehicle outside the scope of the number transfer arrangements.

Regards

Marc Randell, Email Team
www.direct.gov.uk/motoring"


The failure / end of tax concession was about 3 or 6 months though.

GTIR

23,032 posts

146 months

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There are a lot of reg numbers that will never be used again as they die with the car. I'm quite sure "A1" died in the 80's and will never be on a car again.

http://w3ww.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?...

Although I remember someone on PH said they saw it on a car, so it must be true. rolleyes


Anyone know?

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

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Given the length of time since the car was scraped, I'd say you're out of luck as far as a legitimate transfer is concerned.

However I have heard of people using a replacement chassis plate on a similar car to get a MOT and the relevant paperwork completed.
One example of this I'm aware of, was when two brothers registered a kitcar Bugatti type 37 lookalike as a real Bugatti type 57 that their grandfather had owned and exported in the 50's (their father had kept the genuine bug chassis plate) number plate went onto retention and the then "genuine" UK registered type 57 was destroyed in an "accident" resulting in a serious 6 figure insurance pay-out!

tik123456

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2 posts

39 months

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Hi All, Thanks very much for all your assistance. If the later replies are correct then am I aswell not even getting it out of the scrapyard and just send the V62 form off first without the car to see if the V5 gets transfered?? Thanks again to you all

JollyGrnMonster

828 posts

77 months

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If car is registered scrapped I thought it too late?

TheEnd

13,523 posts

68 months

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I transferred my plate yesterday off a car without an MOT (but still had some tax remaining) and the DVLA didn't bat an eyelid.

When I was explaining this to the first guy, I got a shotgun reply "doesn't matter" which made things easier, even though I had the last ran-out MOT.

When doing the paperwork, and the guy was checking through, he saw the old MOT, removed it from the paperwork and said they only want the MOT so they can issue a new one with the reg on it.

That was a nice surprise from the DVLA, I was expecting all sorts of disasters and red tape (although I guess they still have time)

aruck

766 posts

119 months

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GTIR said:
There are a lot of reg numbers that will never be used again as they die with the car. I'm quite sure "A1" died in the 80's and will never be on a car again.

http://w3ww.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?...

Although I remember someone on PH said they saw it on a car, so it must be true. rolleyes


Anyone know?
The History Of Car Registration Number - A 1
“A 1” - Whilst it is arguable that RR 1 may be as valuable or even more valuable than “A 1” there can be little doubt that folks believe “A 1” to be the ultimate registration number. Indeed, back in 1903 the Earl Russell spotted the significance of the registration and interest has flourished ever since.
Here is the brief History of the highly sought after and valuable registration.

1903 The Motor Car Act became law and required all cars to be registered. A 1 was allocated to Earl Russell, Under Secretary for Air, after queuing all night.

1906 The Chairman of the London County Council acquired the car, a Napier, and the Registration.

1907 The car and the number were sold to Mr. George Petty, Head of the Maudes Group Motor Business. A 1 was transferred to each of his successive cars, including an Alfa Romeo, MG, Morris Isis, Daimler, Singer, Jaguar and the last, a Sunbeam Talbot 90.

1950 George Petty died bequeathing the Sunbeam Talbot and “A 1” to Mr. Trevor Laker. A condition of the bequest was that he uses the number until his demise and then it should be sold and the proceeds b donated to a dogs’ charity. Trevor Laker sold the number, with an agreement that he retained its use until his death or inability to drive. The £2,500 realized from the sale went to the Guide Dogs for the Blind Association.

1970 On the death of Trevor Laker the ownership and rights to “A 1” passed to Dunlop Limited. Initially “A 1” was on a Daimler Limousine used to transport important visitors to the Dunlop Factories. It was later transferred to the tyre division and formed part of the extensive promotions for the Dunlop runflat tyre.

1975 Following a brief period on an Executive Mini used by the Director of Engineering, “A 1” was returned to the Tyre Division for promotional purposes.

1985 Ownership of “A 1” passed to BTR PLC, following the acquisition of Dunlop. At this date is was on a Ford Granada, based at BTR’s Head Office in Birmingham. The international BTR Group is one of the United Kingdom’s largest and most successful companies, with interests in the construction, energy, electrical, manufacturing, transport, paper, health care and consumer industries. Sales of £4500 million a year are generated by over 700 subsidiaries, employing some 80000 people around the world.

2000 The late Roy Palmer of Insignia Registrations sold A 1 and 1 A to Prince Jeffry of Brunei (The Sultan of Brunei's controversial brother). Both numbers were transferred to identical white Bentley Azures ready to collect the Prince and his entourage from their private jet. It is very doubtful if these registrations will ever be available to buy again....

Ozzie Osmond

15,640 posts

126 months

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TheLurker said:
Dodgy MOT centre? Plus a few beers?
Not a chance. DVLA will see from their computer how long it is since the car last had tax, mot or change of owner and will insist on inspecting the vehicle before allowing a transfer.

VeeFour

3,339 posts

42 months

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GTIR said:
There are a lot of reg numbers that will never be used again as they die with the car. I'm quite sure "A1" died in the 80's and will never be on a car again.

http://w3ww.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?...

Although I remember someone on PH said they saw it on a car, so it must be true. rolleyes


Anyone know?
My_Car_Check said:
The vehicle A1, a Mini Cooper S Auto (3 Door Hatchback), is on our database.

jdw1234

5,101 posts

95 months

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A1 was/is on a Black Mini. Jeffri had most of his assets frozen by the Sultan due to his reckless spending.

I think he was allowed to keep that massive house in Regent's Park so assume the mini lives there.


AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

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jdw1234 said:
A1 was/is on a Black Mini. Jeffri had most of his assets frozen by the Sultan due to his reckless spending.

I think he was allowed to keep that massive house in Regent's Park so assume the mini lives there.
yes

HRH Prince Jefri Bolkiah, still has it on his run-around in London . . . . . he may not have the spending power he had a few years ago, but is still a very very wealthy man by anybody’s standards . . . . And is apparently aware of Pistonheads!

sim16v

726 posts

81 months

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A1 may or may not be on the insurance database on a KTM 300.....

Shaw Tarse

21,687 posts

83 months

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sim16v said:
A1 may or may not be on the insurance database on a KTM 300.....
My car check says Black Mini.

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

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sim16v said:
A1 may or may not be on the insurance database on a KTM 300.....
Yet the DVLA think its still on HRH's mini smile

The vehicle details for A 1 are:

Date of Liability 01 05 2011
Date of First Registration 14 05 2007
Year of Manufacture 2007
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1598CC
CO2 Emissions 182g/Km
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status SORN Not Due
Vehicle Colour BLACK
Vehicle Type Approval M1
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £110.00
12 Months Rate £200.00

TheEnd

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A1 is currently on a SORN'd MINI
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