Replacement Driving Licence Counterpart

[mically]

Approximately 7 years ago I received 3 points, and so had my counterpart license sent off and replaced with one showing my points.

I have since "misplaced" the counterpart.

According to the DVLA website and google searches (primarily yahoo answers, which are just appalling!)I need to request a replacement at a cost of £20.

Being a tight arse, I don't want to pay them anything.
However, I am looking at hiring a car in the states this summer and so I presume I'll need both my photo card license and counterpart?

If so, is there anyway I can obtain my counterpart (legally) without paying?

£20 does seem expensive for the sake of some welsh person opening their database, doing a search for me, clicking print and posting.

Also noting the photo is old; although valid and is always accepted - it shows a younger version of me (16) when I had no sense of style and looked like a complete prat.

[Ru78]

If it helps I've rented cars in Canada twice recently (this year) and not had to show the counter part to my UK driving license.
I've also rented in the UK without the card on me, and they did a phone check with the DVLA.
Ru

[anonymous-user]

Don't worry, just take the photocard.

I hired from Hertz at Newark (NJ) last year and it was fine. Didn't ask to see the counterpart - to be honest, I don't think they'd have known what it was had I got it out.

[BPD]

Just got back from Florida and both of us renting cars only had the card and not the paper part and they didn't ask. A friend who goes out there a lot said he has never been asked for the paper part.

[covboy]

Just as an aside – Have you checked the expiry date on your photocard licence?

7 years ago for your points, means you might be getting near.

Lot of people caught out with expired licences because no reminders are sent out.

[mically]

Perfect!
Thank you boys and girls.

It was the only reason I wanted a replacement.
I'm unsure why we bother having the counterpart?
What is its purpose?

We don't need it to buy a car, insure a car, tax a car, MOT a car.
We don't need it to rent a car - plus any person/ company can contact the DVLA and obtain the details for any said naughtiness.

Plus with the advent of the Nation Database; [although the data is not always accurate and in desperate need to have legislation in place ensuring all insurance companies and such ilk update the NDB on a nightly basis - but that's a rant for another time.]

Our BiB can either use ANPR or telephone HQ for any naughtiness.


That's £20 saved nevertheless.
Guess I'll place a bet on a couple of fine whippets tonight


Just checked and, my license expires in 2012.
ARGH, tiz the end of the world!

[catso]

mically said:

I'm unsure why we bother having the counterpart?
What is its purpose?

Bureaucracy, nowhere else in the world will know or care if there should be a counterpart and would likely turn their nose up at it if you produced it.

[davemac250]

catso said:

mically said:

I'm unsure why we bother having the counterpart?
What is its purpose?

Bureaucracy, nowhere else in the world will know or care if there should be a counterpart and would likely turn their nose up at it if you produced it.

Nope.

Cost saving.

The scheme was originally going to have all your information including points etc embedded in the bar code.

Until it was realised that this meant every court, police station, traffic car etc would need a reader.

So the counter part was introduced.

It also allows two things.

Courts to immediately impose a sentence, have the licence endorsed (in writing) and a record there and then if is stopped before DVLA update the database. And we know how long that can take.

And.

People to be banned by 'friends' should they let them get possession of the counterpart. bds.

[Mill Wheel]

davemac250 said:

catso said:

mically said:

I'm unsure why we bother having the counterpart?
What is its purpose?

Bureaucracy, nowhere else in the world will know or care if there should be a counterpart and would likely turn their nose up at it if you produced it.

Nope.

Cost saving.

The scheme was originally going to have all your information including points etc embedded in the bar code.

Until it was realised that this meant every court, police station, traffic car etc would need a reader.

So the counter part was introduced.

It also allows two things.

Courts to immediately impose a sentence, have the licence endorsed (in writing) and a record there and then if is stopped before DVLA update the database. And we know how long that can take.

And.

People to be banned by 'friends' should they let them get possession of the counterpart. bds.

I have never had a card - just the flimsy paper copy in a clear plastic wallet, since 1978.

When was it they introduced a counterpart....?

I have had my license revoked two years running, because the DVLA forgot to record the fact that they had put points on my licence, before they sent it back. Strange they only realise at 12 monthly intervals!

I hate to think of the muck ups they could make if they did everything with a bar code... what if it became damaged?

[BPD]

covboy said:

Just as an aside – Have you checked the expiry date on your photocard licence?

Lot of people caught out with expired licences because no reminders are sent out.

Now you mention it my friends was out of date by 7 months when we were in Florida. The bloke pointed it out and I told him that the expiry date was on the back with all of the categories. He looked on the back and saw the 2 dates next to the categories and said ok.

[davemac250]

Mill Wheel said:

I have never had a card - just the flimsy paper copy in a clear plastic wallet, since 1978.

When was it they introduced a counterpart....?

I have had my license revoked two years running, because the DVLA forgot to record the fact that they had put points on my licence, before they sent it back. Strange they only realise at 12 monthly intervals!

I hate to think of the muck ups they could make if they did everything with a bar code... what if it became damaged?

You can keep it until you move, you pass a new category or it expires.

Come on, you know about photocard licences...

DVLA forgot something, do tell. On second thoughts...

Gets damaged, pay for a new one.

[vonhosen]

mically said:

It was the only reason I wanted a replacement.
I'm unsure why we bother having the counterpart?
What is its purpose?

It shows provisional entitlements & endorsements, neither of which are on the photo card.

[Who me ?]

vonhosen said:

mically said:

It was the only reason I wanted a replacement.
I'm unsure why we bother having the counterpart?
What is its purpose?

It shows provisional entitlements & endorsements, neither of which are on the photo card.

And the holders address.Changing that is a free replacement

[vonhosen]

Who me said:

vonhosen said:

mically said:

It was the only reason I wanted a replacement.
I'm unsure why we bother having the counterpart?
What is its purpose?

It shows provisional entitlements & endorsements, neither of which are on the photo card.

And the holders address.Changing that is a free replacement

The holder's address is on the photo card.

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 17th January 19:12

[14-7]

covboy said:

Just as an aside – Have you checked the expiry date on your photocard licence?

Lot of people caught out with expired licences because no reminders are sent out.

Strange. I had a reminder a few months before my photocard expired.

[Who me ?]

vonhosen said:

Who me said:

vonhosen said:

mically said:

It was the only reason I wanted a replacement.
I'm unsure why we bother having the counterpart?
What is its purpose?

It shows provisional entitlements & endorsements, neither of which are on the photo card.

And the holders address.Changing that is a free replacement

The holder's address is on the photo card.

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 17th January 19:12

Just checked,Von-YOU'RE RIGHT, but change of address is FREE

[shep1001]

covboy said:

Just as an aside – Have you checked the expiry date on your photocard licence?

7 years ago for your points, means you might be getting near.

Lot of people caught out with expired licences because no reminders are sent out.

Yes they do got mine Saturday. Still look as ugly as I did 10yrs ago, new photo will make F'all difference other than my wallet £20 lighter.

Also for the sake of £20 do you want to get turned down for a hire car when you are away on holiday/business? What will it cost you if they won't rent you a car? I go to the States (Florida) several times a year. Alamo always ask for both parts of the licence.

Shep

Edited by shep1001 on Monday 17th January 23:24

Edited by shep1001 on Monday 17th January 23:26

[mically]

shep1001 said:

covboy said:

Just as an aside – Have you checked the expiry date on your photocard licence?

7 years ago for your points, means you might be getting near.

Lot of people caught out with expired licences because no reminders are sent out.

Yes they do got mine Saturday. Still look as ugly as I did 10yrs ago, new photo will make F'all difference other than my wallet £20 lighter.

Also for the sake of £20 do you want to get turned down for a hire car when you are away on holiday/business? What will it cost you if they won't rent you a car? I go to the States (Florida) several times a year. Alamo always ask for both parts of the licence.

Shep

Edited by shep1001 on Monday 17th January 23:24

Edited by shep1001 on Monday 17th January 23:26

The new photo will make a huge difference - from near-shoulder length hair to no hair!

I'm wanting to hire a soft-top for route 66 between vegas and the canyon

Think I'll send off for a full replacement, seeing as mine expires next year - so why pay twice.

Cheers for the help peeps, much appreciated - as always!