£1Bn aid to India
Discussion
quite a few questions being raised about this aid package to India.
surely a country where development is increasing at a superior rate they should not be getting any?
One of the most influential countries in the world and getting this much aid? Surely India has reached a point where it needs to sort out its own issues?
Spending £20 billion a year on defence and has a £1.25 billion space programme.
surely a country where development is increasing at a superior rate they should not be getting any?
One of the most influential countries in the world and getting this much aid? Surely India has reached a point where it needs to sort out its own issues?
Spending £20 billion a year on defence and has a £1.25 billion space programme.
Murcielago_Boy said:
Bet you we get multiples of the money back one way or another...
Then it shouldn't be too hard to show where we are making the profit from should it? Could we make more return from investing the money in supporting UK businesses. Be it direct subsidies, infrastructure investment, or corporate tax breaks. Lest we also not forget the UK jobs that have been off shored.
Mr Dave said:
Bae hawk sales to India are another example.
They paid over 1.2 Billion to us. For that single contract.
Only after India started their own trainer Jet programme and completed it. India was begging all the big countries for years to give them trainer jets. No one gave them anything. The sheer numbers of old migs that were dropping from the skies in the 80's and 90's was horrible to see. young cadets went straight into migs without any intermediate trainer jet experience. And many of those young people died for nothing. They needed hawks to ramp up the numbers till they produced their own. HAL had a presence at Farnham this year and I had a chat with them...they are here to sell to all the third world countries and basically told me to keep the hawks from now on. We did agree that the Pakistani ariforce across the field with some chinese jets couldnt fly for tofee.(its an indian thing...got to be done.They paid over 1.2 Billion to us. For that single contract.
)JagLover said:
To be fair if you are running an aid programme based on humanatarian need India has as strong a claim as most due to the widespread poverty in the country.
But personally I believe it should be aid for education and family planning than for any other purpose.
If you are running an aid programme please please do not give my people anything!But personally I believe it should be aid for education and family planning than for any other purpose.
By all means go on the ground and handle the money...I welcome the generosity..but if you think you are doing us a favour by sending money..please dont. Corruption is a way of life in India. It is easier to pay a bribe to get stuff done, than to follow procedure. It is in our genes and it will take another 3 generations before it is managed downwards. Ask any Indian who has come here as an immigrant...there is poverty that needs to be sorted out with foreign aid...but it wont make any difference if you are not there handling the money yourself.
Bing o said:
Then it shouldn't be too hard to show where we are making the profit from should it?
Could we make more return from investing the money in supporting UK businesses. Be it direct subsidies, infrastructure investment, or corporate tax breaks. Lest we also not forget the UK jobs that have been off shored.
This is a trade BRIBE Bing O. Could we make more return from investing the money in supporting UK businesses. Be it direct subsidies, infrastructure investment, or corporate tax breaks. Lest we also not forget the UK jobs that have been off shored.
Nothing more - can't show where the profits from a bribe come from!
Must say - interesting to see the TATA owned Jag/Land Rover make £1bn this year. Is production still here?
If the aid is used as bribes which secure multi billion £ deals then I'm all for it. However I would like to see evidence of these deals and contracts. As far as I know, when it comes to defence the Russians still have a monopoly when it comes to supplying the Indians with their hardware.
I'd like to see us take a large chunk of this away and if we do then this 'aid' is well spent imo. Indian politicians do like their kickbacks when it comes to defence procurement (Barak Missile, Bofors artillery)so we either join in or lose out.
I'd like to see us take a large chunk of this away and if we do then this 'aid' is well spent imo. Indian politicians do like their kickbacks when it comes to defence procurement (Barak Missile, Bofors artillery)so we either join in or lose out.
I think a better definition is that Foreign Aid allows us to give money to the powers that be in any country that we want to buy stuff off us or help us in some way.
See it like a procurement guy in a company. He's gotta buy some pens from somewhere. He doesn't, within reason, care that much regarding the cost if one of the suppliers sends him away to a pen conference in the Maldives for a week each year. This generous supplier gets the business and the perk is ultimately paid by the guy's employer, not himself.
Most of the world is corrupt. It's just the way it is.
See it like a procurement guy in a company. He's gotta buy some pens from somewhere. He doesn't, within reason, care that much regarding the cost if one of the suppliers sends him away to a pen conference in the Maldives for a week each year. This generous supplier gets the business and the perk is ultimately paid by the guy's employer, not himself.
Most of the world is corrupt. It's just the way it is.
Victor McDade said:
If the aid is used as bribes which secure multi billion £ deals then I'm all for it. However I would like to see evidence of these deals and contracts. As far as I know, when it comes to defence the Russians still have a monopoly when it comes to supplying the Indians with their hardware.
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