Audi S3 mk1 engine spec
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Hmm, if thats true then there must be a lot of people with optimistic claims over on the classifieds. Seen many of the 210 bhp models where people have claimed it has been remapped to 240-260 bhp - either they are wrong or the car does have a K04 turbo as the K03S wouldn't be able to go above 215-220. I've also read that the earlier 210 PS model was a 'detuned TT' to help stop competition within the Audi fleet, which would imply it has the K04 like the 225PS TT does.
Very confusing either way as I can't seem to find any more info about the different engine specs anywhere on the internet, but thanks for the reply Furby
Very confusing either way as I can't seem to find any more info about the different engine specs anywhere on the internet, but thanks for the reply Furby
Depends whether the 210 is APX or AMK engine. Not sure when the S3 changed over, so both stories are true.
LCR used the same engine in both forms. 210bhp was code AMK and 225bhp was BAM. Both used K04 Turbo and twin intercoolers and both when remapped get circa. 265bhp.
From my understanding it was just minor tweaks between the two.
Taken from a SEAT Forum
210 is an AMK Engine code, 225 is BAM.
210bhp/199lbft vs 225ps/208lbft. Both cars remap to practically the same. The 210 is actually 212ps, and the 225(ps) is actually 222bhp.
ECU Code for the 225 has an “A” on the end.
There were always rumours that the 210 had stronger internals (20mm wrist pins and different rods), but it seems that this rumour stemmed from the early Audi S3 APY engine (also 210bhp) having stronger rods. However, Yumann's engine (AMK) build thread, he kindly measured the gudgeon pins for us, and they are 20mm. The later BAM engine are supposed to have 19mm wrist pins.
From ETOS and ETKA the block and piston set for AMK :06A 103 101 J and for the BAM : 06A 103 101 J, conrod for AMK : 027 198 401 B, conrod for BAM : 027 198 401 B. So if they are different, nobody told SEAT Parts.
Both engines have VVT, but this is apparently for emissions rather than a VTEC style torque/power shift. Although most cars definitely pull again at about 4,000 rpm). Originally we thought the VVT actuation was different (one mechanical the other hydraulic) but we now understand them to be the same. Again, it is the APY (early 210 S3 engine, never fitted to the LCR) that has mechanical VVT actuation and possibly where the rumour started. Both AMK and BAM have Electro-hydraulic VVT actuation.
The turbo (K04-23 from Borg-Warner), manifold & exhaust are all the same.
LCR used the same engine in both forms. 210bhp was code AMK and 225bhp was BAM. Both used K04 Turbo and twin intercoolers and both when remapped get circa. 265bhp.
From my understanding it was just minor tweaks between the two.
Taken from a SEAT Forum
210 is an AMK Engine code, 225 is BAM.
210bhp/199lbft vs 225ps/208lbft. Both cars remap to practically the same. The 210 is actually 212ps, and the 225(ps) is actually 222bhp.
ECU Code for the 225 has an “A” on the end.
There were always rumours that the 210 had stronger internals (20mm wrist pins and different rods), but it seems that this rumour stemmed from the early Audi S3 APY engine (also 210bhp) having stronger rods. However, Yumann's engine (AMK) build thread, he kindly measured the gudgeon pins for us, and they are 20mm. The later BAM engine are supposed to have 19mm wrist pins.
From ETOS and ETKA the block and piston set for AMK :06A 103 101 J and for the BAM : 06A 103 101 J, conrod for AMK : 027 198 401 B, conrod for BAM : 027 198 401 B. So if they are different, nobody told SEAT Parts.
Both engines have VVT, but this is apparently for emissions rather than a VTEC style torque/power shift. Although most cars definitely pull again at about 4,000 rpm). Originally we thought the VVT actuation was different (one mechanical the other hydraulic) but we now understand them to be the same. Again, it is the APY (early 210 S3 engine, never fitted to the LCR) that has mechanical VVT actuation and possibly where the rumour started. Both AMK and BAM have Electro-hydraulic VVT actuation.
The turbo (K04-23 from Borg-Warner), manifold & exhaust are all the same.
Edited by cuprabob on Sunday 6th March 11:07
Edited by cuprabob on Sunday 6th March 11:10
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