RE: 968: The Perfect F/R Porsche?

RE: 968: The Perfect F/R Porsche?

Friday 1st April 2011

968: The Perfect F/R Porsche?

PH tracks a foxy silver 968 to Harrogate, and picks up some pointers


The Porsche 968 in Polar Silver, courtesy of Gmund Cars in Harrogate
The Porsche 968 in Polar Silver, courtesy of Gmund Cars in Harrogate
A mate of mine is an ex-racer who's owned dozens of high-performance cars (writes Andy Craig), and he swears to this day that the most fun he's ever had driving on the road was in a 924 Turbo. I asked him to explain why and he said something about the way 'all front-engined Porkers swivel around your backside.'

I still give him grief for that one, but there's no doubt the front-loaded Porsches have a big following. However in spite of the best efforts of my mate's Turbo, it's hard to deny the 924 has a whiff of hair spray about it, which is why I've been taking an interest in 968s instead.

The model has quite a following
The model has quite a following
I found a good looking one in the PH classifieds at Gmund Cars in Harrogate and decided to pay a visit. Whilst there, I got talking to the boss, Andrew Mearns. "I'm surprised by how well they're doing from a demand point of view," he told me. "A good 968 will be similar money to a good Boxster, but they're totally different cars. We have a 2001 Boxster S which came in at same time as this one. Both cars were offered at about the same price but the Boxster had covered less miles. The 968 has sold first - in less than a week. It's a bit like comparing the air-cooled 993 to the later 997. The 997 came with much more technology, but today there isn't that great a difference in the values. I think that people are realising just how good the 968s were. They're a rare car too."

'Rare' and 'in demand' are fitting words. For starters the one I wanted to see had been sold by the time I arrived! Andrew reckons that Porsche models are typically produced for around seven years in which time over 100,000 examples are built. But the 968 was made for barely three years and in that time no more than 11,245 units left the Zuffenhausen plant, with something like 1500 cars coming to the UK - which explains the number of LHD cars on the market.

Especially in Club Sport guise...
Especially in Club Sport guise...
So which 968 should you look for, what do you need to be wary of, and what should you pay?

"Well first off these are a three litre, four cylinder engine," Andrew notes, "so each pot is relatively big at 750cc and as a result they seem slow to turn over when you're starting one - but this is normal. The main points to watch out for are all the belts on the engine. There's also a chain connecting the cams together, and this is where the Vario-Cam unit alters the timing plus or minus 15 degrees. You need to know that it's been serviced properly and in particular when the belts were last done. The one we've just sold has done about 81,000 miles and the belts were last done at 71,000 - but that was nine years ago. There's a time issue there, so as a matter of course we've replaced those. Also, while we were in there we checked the chain tensioner and water pump as well. But it's a good car to work on - not so complicated. Depending on what needs replacing it'll cost between £500 and £1000 to get this work done.


"Like all Porsches, if they're going to be driven hard, they're going to have to stop hard so take a good look at the brakes too, but all parts for 968s are readily available and support from the Porsche clubs is very good. In terms of what to pay, I'd say to budget the thick-end of £10,000 and upwards for a really good Coupe, and up to £20,000 - maybe more - for a Club Sport."

It's not unheard of for 968s to rack-up intergalactic starship mileages, but as is typical with most Porsches, as long as they've been properly looked after this isn't an issue.

In terms of which one to go for, apparently that's easy, too. Andrew says that when people call Gmund to offer a 968 they don't even ask which one it is. There are two reasons for this: One is because they're more interested in how it's been looked after, and the other is because there wasn't really that much difference between the models. All had ABS, power steering, either a six-speed manual or four-speed Tiptronic gearbox, catalytic converters, variable cam-timing, and driver's airbags. Also they all had the same 240bhp engine.


"Some people thought that the Club Sport had more power but it didn't," says Andrew. "It just had lower, stiffer suspension, special seats, and less weight. Having said that I've seen Club Sports for sale with sunroofs, electric windows, and air-conditioning!"

When pushed, Andrew did reveal his personal favourite though: "For the last year of production, Porsche GB created the 968 Sport, which was a 968 Coupe loaded with options including the Club Sport suspension. Of the three models, this for me is the one to have. The Club Sport appeals to track-day people, but the lack of any rear seats meant that there was plenty of room on the market for the 968 Sport, and these cars were great value at the time. Personally, I think a 968 Club Sport is almost too nice a car for track-days."


The Polar Silver, six-speed 968 Coupe I missed out on at Gmund was a fine example of the breed, as these photos show. It boasts a comprehensive history and there's not a ding or a scrape anywhere in sight. It just gives that reassuring impression of a car that's been used and looked after properly.

If you were so inclined you could even make a show-standard car out of this one, but the new owner will hopefully rather be driving it, right?







   

 

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Fat Albert

Original Poster:

1,392 posts

181 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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I have a 944 Turbo and completely agree with the 'Swivelling around your @rse' statement, they handle so well and yet are comfortable cruisers, I cover up to 2,500 a month in mine and it has just clicked over on 210k miles.

I am trying to decide whether to just hang on to mine or whether to step over to a 968 to get that extra 10% handling finesse - at the expense of the addictive boooooost i have currently!

There seems to be a widening price gap between the manual and Tiptronic cars, some Tips now at the same price as a good 944...for my mileage and mainly motorway driving that makes a 968 tip even more attractive.

Whilst the Sport is the most desirable, at this age most cars have had some suspension work/renewal so there is less of a gap between the models on that score, a Coupe on KWs will be more desirable than a Sport on its original suspension

rallycross

12,780 posts

237 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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The 944 and 968 are superb old cars, still great to drive and could teach many more modern coupes a thing or two (starting with amazingly good steering feel and a compliant chassis with excellent handling). A good Turbo is still a better car than a 968 though.

My 968 sport was a great day to day car (except it had no air-con). It was quick, comfy and really good on long trips, MPG was decent and even my girl friend liked driving it.

The Sport is currently good value when you compare it with the prices of the Club Sport which have soared in value in recent years. The Sport is basically the same car just with comfort seats and rear seats, the difference in weight between Sport and Club Sport is so little I don’t think you’d feel it on the road.

Previous to the 968 I’d had 944 Turbo’s SE (2.5 8v) and a 944 S2 (3.0 16v). The S2 feels very similar to drive to the 968, main difference being the 968 has 6 gears and the engine has a bit more urgency about it, the interior is almost the same, just different enough to feel its not a 944 and the 968 looks that bit more modern with the smoother rear end and different front lights.

I went from my 944 turbo Se (which had some mods to take it from 250 bhp to closer to 300) to the 968 Sport; the Turbo was a much more exciting car to drive, the suspension set up is stiffer (but still compliant) and the Turbo S has an LSD which makes quite a big difference (the S2 and 968 sport and C/S didn’t have an LSD and will spin up the inside wheel when pushed hard, they feel quite soft compared to the turbo). Very very few 968 c/s had MO30 fitted.

The turbo was great on track days and I can agree with that description that these cars pivot round the hip – they really do!. And when they do slide its such an easy car to play with on the limit, they are not in the slightest bit twitchy or nervy which was ideal for me when I took the Turbo to the ‘Ring for my fist trip there, it proved to be the perfect car learn that track – and it made the journey out there and back a very pleasant comfy place to be, even the aircon worked - not bad for a 20 yr old car on original suspension!

If I was buying one today I'd buy a Turbo if I was going to do some track days and if it was only for road use I'd find a 968 with aircon.

The great thing about these cars is they are so well made if you find one that’s been well maintained the mileage is simply not an issue – there are a few 944 turbos out there in regular use that are well past 200,000 miles mark and still going strong.

My current 944 is one of the older ones - a 16v 2.5 S Ventillier model, its just a cheap weekend ‘fun car but it still has that superb feeling of great handling and steering and bullet proof build quality. I would recommend a 944 / 968 to anyone thinking of getting their first Porsche, they are nice to drive and can be run without spending a fortune on maintenance.


Edited by rallycross on Friday 1st April 15:42

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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Still VERY tempted by 968's, particularly a white CS

slikrs

125 posts

188 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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I've never owned a 944 or 968 but I am a great admirer of both and have come very close to owning both in the past. The only thing which took me to a new 350z was the 90 miles a day I was subjecting my 106 Rallye to and thus wanting the extra wee bit of piece of mind but I have no doubt I would be having more fun in a 944....

AM Vantage next on the cards for me, though this article has made me think about that!

sjmoore

1,893 posts

204 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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My first Porsche (in fact first proper fast car) was a 944 Turbo and I still have a soft spot for the 944/968. However, whenever I've thought about getting one I've ended up with another 911. 968 probably a better handling car than a 911...but the 911 has something special about it - looks, the six cylinder engine, the different feel you get from the engine in the rear, the quirky interior (on the air-cooled ones at least).

anything fast

983 posts

164 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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Never liked the way these look, great cars but the lazy makeover from the 944 to 968 was a mistake IMO. I would much rather a very late clean 944 (esp turbo), looks wise much much nicer.. the 928 style headlamps just look odd! Would keep the back end and change the front end back to the last of the 944's.. that would be very cool! smile

Pablo16v

2,076 posts

197 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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anything fast said:
Never liked the way these look, great cars but the lazy makeover from the 944 to 968 was a mistake IMO. I would much rather a very late clean 944 (esp turbo), looks wise much much nicer.. the 928 style headlamps just look odd! Would keep the back end and change the front end back to the last of the 944's.. that would be very cool! smile
Porsche and lazy styling.........surely not eek

bubster

71 posts

206 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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I currently have a 944 turbo, with a few choice mods to take it up to near 280bhp, and its awesome. I also own a 993 which is modified for track but wouldn't take it on one! If I binned it I'd cry for too long!!

For a blast, its the 944 turbo every day, mine is also on Koni adjustables & a pair of sparco Evo's and on the road & track its awesome fun. (gets some great 'slip' angles too)

Would I swap for a 968 or a 944 s2, NO chance, now a 968 Clubsport with my engine in,OH YES!

interloper

2,747 posts

255 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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Fat Albert said:
I am trying to decide whether to just hang on to mine or whether to step over to a 968 to get that extra 10% handling finesse - at the expense of the addictive boooooost i have currently!
I hate to point it out but the 10% extra you refer to is achieved by just a couple of tweeks, the 944 Turbo set up is close to the standard 968 set up apart from slightly different castor settings at the front and 17" wheels. A little research and a few pennies spent and a 944 will drive just like a 968!

Ray Singh

3,048 posts

230 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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The 968 is a very capable car and happy to entertain the school commute, weekly shop, track day and fast road work. I had a 1994 sport that was a fine car. But -> In terms of bang for buck the 944 turbo can give you more smiles per miles with a cost saving over the 968. The turbo boost is very addictive and considering the heritage of the 968, this has to be better value for money?

The holy grail of these cars was the very rare 968 turbo S. These now change hands for 993/964 RS money.

How about a compromise like this:


http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2663457.htm Supercharged 968 for less than £12k?


Edited by Ray Singh on Friday 1st April 14:08

dlc74

37 posts

175 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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Love 968 Club Sport's. A Proper Porsche that puts pure drive ability before anything else, no frills just pure. Even the styling looks good, proper function dictates form.


Richard2009

4 posts

241 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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Great cars, and made like Porsche's of old ie solid, but, the prices the guy mentions are much too high, and as long there is nothing wrong, not that expensive to maintain. However, if something goes wrong, you need deep pockets.

Easier to drive fast than a 911 although not as fast as a 911 (note: 993's feel old and heavy) but there's something about an air-cooled 911, the classic shape and the character, which as good as the 968 is, it simply does not have.

Edited by Richard2009 on Friday 1st April 14:25

dinkel

26,930 posts

258 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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Oh yes sir:













Compared to a smaller 4 pot this 3 litre aby is something else. The variocam does the trick just like VTEC on a Honda. Two characters united in one engine. I'd call his car a proper GT.

Edited by dinkel on Saturday 2nd April 14:15

CRACKIE

6,386 posts

242 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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924GTS/944 S2/968 all class. I loved my old 944 Turbo SE ~ I'm sure that the market would support a similar 'product niche' today if the cars had more charismatic engines that met modern emmision regs etc etc. Something like the 3.4 from a Cayman S or Audi's 5 pot from the TTRS.

This is very very tempting.........

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1910040.htm

Edited by CRACKIE on Friday 1st April 15:21

CarbonBlackM5

3,029 posts

218 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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CRACKIE said:
924GTS/944 S2/968 all class. I loved my old 944 Turbo SE ~ I'm sure that the market would support a similar 'product niche' today if the cars had more charismatic engines that met modern emmision regs etc etc. Something like the 3.4 from a Cayman S or Audi's 5 pot from the TTRS.

This is very very tempting.........

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1910040.htm

Edited by CRACKIE on Friday 1st April 15:21
Thats been on the market for ages and ages.

I had a Red CS, wish I had never sold it but I had spent so much getting it perfect I needed the cash. Always the way.


tom felty

692 posts

163 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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i think that there a lovely car smile
to be honest more of a fan of the rear engined porsche range
still, i would defo have one of these

poprock

1,985 posts

201 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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It’s nice to see so much love for the 944 Turbo. I’ll never part with mine.


rallycross

12,780 posts

237 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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here's a pic of my 968 sport and a group of 968's together with my old 944 Turbo Se at Bedford






thehardman07

146 posts

181 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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Ray Singh said:
How about a compromise like this:


http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2663457.htm Supercharged 968 for less than £12k?


Edited by Ray Singh on Friday 1st April 14:08
It's a cat C, hence the seemingly low price I'd imagine.

Remember seeing a (riviera?) blue CS in the local Porsche dealership when new. Love that colour and would be my choice (but I wouldn't say no to a white one either).

poo at Paul's

14,142 posts

175 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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Got a 944 cab had it 15 years and love it! Great summer fun!

Love the look of that blue CS as well!