RE: PH Buying Guide: TVR Griffith - Powertrain

RE: PH Buying Guide: TVR Griffith - Powertrain

Wednesday 13th April 2011

PH Buying Guide: TVR Griffith - Powertrain



The Rover V8 has fired the heart of many British sports car, but TVR took it to its limits with its own TVR Power-developed engines. Kicking off with the 240bhp 4.0-litre and 4.3-litre version with 280bhp, TVR employed the tried and trusted Rover five-speed manual gearbox as used in the SD1. The gearbox is a tough unit and should not give problems. Early in the Griffith's life, the 4.3-litre engine became the favoured unit for its greater power and smoothness.

If the 4.3's 280bhp wasn't sufficiently swift, TVR Power offered a big valve conversion, referred to as BV. Around a dozen cars were converted originally to give 300bhp, and some customer cars were uprated after they'd been sold. Look for a BV badge on the engine, but beware of cars with the sticker and not the conversion. The TVR Car Club can help here with identification.


A tiny handful of 4.5-litre Griffiths were made, but these are really factory-made one-offs and the arrival of the 5.0-litre in late 1993 made this a pointless option. The Griffith 500 swapped to a Borg Warner T5 five-speed manual gearbox, which is all but indestructible. Some late 4.0 and 4.3 Griffiths also used the T5 'box, which is easily spotted as reverse gear is to the right and back where the Rover SD1 has reverse to the left and up.

Producing some 340bhp and 350lb.ft of torque, the 500 was even more of a sales hit. Nought to 60mph dropped to 4.1 seconds, while top speed rose to 169mph, putting the TVR firmly among the supercar elite but with a £35,880 price that remained attainable at the start of 1994.

Whichever Rover V8-dereived engine is in a Griffith, they all use Lucas engine management, should start at the first twist of the key and be smoke-free. When warm, the temperature gauge should sit between 70- and 90-degrees depending on use and the weather. If the thermostatically fan doesn't kick in at just over 90-degrees Celsius, it needs to be checked. Engine oil pressure is around 10-15psi at idle and 30psi when driving.


The radiator in a Griffith will typically last 25,000 miles, so find out when it was last replaced and budget for this as a service item. Look at all of the cooling hoses in the engine bay. They crack and split, so allow for this in the price you pay. The starter motor also takes a pounding from engine bay heat, so be sure it cranks good and fast.
Most Griffith engine bays will have signs of oil leaks. Don't panic, the Rover V8 is known for this, but check for broken rocker cover gaskets and that the cover's bolts have been re-torqued at every service.

Much more of a concern is the camshaft, which generally lasts 50,000 miles in these engines. It's an engine out job to replace the camshaft, but at least it will allow you to look at the state of the exhaust manifolds. The manifolds are known for cracking and the rest of the exhaust is prone to grounding.

Clutches should last 30,000 miles, even with hard use as the Griffith's light weight helps preserve it. Also, the rear tyres tend to spin before the clutch has a chance to fry. All Griffiths have a limited slip rear differential, which started off as a GKN diff but changed to a Salisbury unit in 1994. Both will start to whine when they get worn but are tough and will last a long time. A Quaiffe LSD was also originally an option, while a Hydratrak LSD was offered from 1997 onwards.



1) Introduction
2) Powertrain (reading now)
3) Body
4) Rolling Chassis
5) Interior
6) Insurance quotes
7) TVR Griffths in the PH classifieds now...

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LordGrover

Original Poster:

33,538 posts

212 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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I think it'd be more accurate to refer to the precat gearbox as an LT77 than Rover SD1.

Digga

40,295 posts

283 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Cams wear. Full stop. On all models.

It is not (apparently, according to a number of service experts) uncommon for 'new' TVR owners to be enthusing about the car's perfomance, despite the fact is one or almost two cylinders down on compression/power, due to cam wear. Rear 7 & 8 lobes suffer most - presumably due to the route the oil takes.

Can occur on well-cared-for cars and at low mileages.

V8Bart

788 posts

190 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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For the money there is nothing like it, speed, noise, you can't go anywhere without the Griff Grin! smile

Just remember you have to be away 100% of the time, the one time you forget what car your driving it WILL kill you! lol.

chris52

1,560 posts

183 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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To replace the camshaft its NOT an engine out job. It can be done with relative ease with the engine still in the car.
Suprised you say a radiator will only last on average 25k I would think time would deteriorate it quicker than mileage, mine is 14 years old 73,000 miles and no mention of a replacement, had it out this winter and its still in exellent condition.

Nice write up thoughsmile

Chris

Sam_68

9,939 posts

245 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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LordGrover said:
I think it'd be more accurate to refer to the precat gearbox as an LT77 than Rover SD1.
Strictly speaking, it's not a pre-cat gearbox or (as the article suggests) a pre-500 gearbox, either.

Early 500's with catalysts can be found fitted with the LT77 and pre-serp engines. The T5 gearbox was only introduced later in the Griffith 500's production run.

Speedracer329

1,507 posts

177 months

Thursday 14th April 2011
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If it is generally an accepted fact that TVR's claimed power outputs for these engines were so optimistic, then why do write ups like this always quote them?

Genuine question, not stirring, I have a V8D 4.6 so I pretty much know what my Chim has.

virgil

1,557 posts

224 months

Thursday 14th April 2011
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Agree with the point above. This is a great sight but please stop regurgitating the same 15 year old tvr marketing hype as fact. There's plenty of posts here that show the accepted wisdom is around the 260 to 270 mark for the standard 500.
Great cars and great bang for your buck, bit no need to perpetuate pub talk please.

f111lover

143 posts

193 months

Friday 15th April 2011
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In my opinion still the best looking UK, possibly the world, car ever, so pure.
I've considered splashing out on one for years but I'm just a bit scared of the stories you hear. I may still do it sometime though.

Daveactivist

5 posts

93 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Has anyone here come across a Griffith fitted with an LS2 Chevrolet engine producing around 500bhp?

There was one for sale at £25,000 about 2 years ago in the Pistonheads site.

My Griffith is an Amaranth purple 500HC. It drives perfectly and has covered 39,000 miles from new with 6 previous owners.

It has the hydratrak LSD rear axle. Might sell it soon so look out in the sales section.

QBee

20,953 posts

144 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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I have had a passenger ride in the LS Griff. Awesome on the open road, but totally pussycat in town traffic. And 26 mpg too. It was in an Ocean Haze coloured car I think, owned by Quinny at the time. Don't know if he still has it.

mart 63

2,070 posts

244 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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QBee said:
I have had a passenger ride in the LS Griff. Awesome on the open road, but totally pussycat in town traffic. And 26 mpg too. It was in an Ocean Haze coloured car I think, owned by Quinny at the time. Don't know if he still has it.
He sold it and bought a new Mustang.

QBee

20,953 posts

144 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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mart 63 said:
QBee said:
I have had a passenger ride in the LS Griff. Awesome on the open road, but totally pussycat in town traffic. And 26 mpg too. It was in an Ocean Haze coloured car I think, owned by Quinny at the time. Don't know if he still has it.
He sold it and bought a new Mustang.
Its (about to become) a free country.....whistle

Hansoplast

570 posts

160 months

Wednesday 31st August 2016
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Hello all.

I am looking into a Griffith, starting reading tech articles.
Even looked at one already and fell in love so left it alone.

In this post the cams are mentioned.
My 2 questions are;
- is it engine out yes or no?
- how can I identify whether cam change is necessary?

Hans

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Wednesday 31st August 2016
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The camshaft can be changed with the engine in position.

The camshaft can only be inspected accurately when the inlet manifold has been removed .

Hansoplast

570 posts

160 months

Sunday 4th September 2016
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Hi Peter,
Thanks for the info.
Makes the car more interesting.

Hans


phazed said:
The camshaft can be changed with the engine in position.

The camshaft can only be inspected accurately when the inlet manifold has been removed .