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D1bram

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945 posts

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Firstly, apologies if this topic has been covered, I did search and I couldn't find anything useful.

I'm after some help here...

my wife is after a new car, a mini clubman cooper s, and is fairly particular about the spec. She has however found one she likes quite nearby.

Problem is, the owner has recently moved (locally) and sent of the vehicles V5 for a change of address last Friday, expecting a turn around in a few days! According to the DVLA however this can take upto 6 weeks (they aim to do it in 4), which is a huge amount of time to sit and wait.

Now I know many would say forget it and buy another, but it's not that simple, we can't find another of the spec within budget anywhere! There was one on the mini cherished website but it sold while I was on the phone to them!

So, question is, does anyone know a way around this? Provided they have receipts and a HPI check is carried out, could I simply intercept the form at the DVLA for example?

All help appreciated, thanks.

hora

17,819 posts

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So you know the V5 will be in this sellers name? (Yes folks I know v5 isn't proof of ownership but still)... Say you'll wait- if he says he'll sell to the next person who doesn't need it. Fine.

You wouldn't buy a car with its service history in the post would you? Any dealer won't take your px without a v5 (or at least a hefty amount held back)

Boba Fret

438 posts

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I would question the sense of somebody doing things in that order?

If you know you are moving AND you know you want to sell the car........

D1bram

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He is being fair and proper about it tbh, (a bit too proper, I'd have hung onto the v5 as it was personally wink), so I can't see him selling it if I said I'd have it. It's more a case of whether it's waiting 4 weeks on our side.

I was just hoping against hope there was a way around it really.

Ah well, there's always more coming up for sale I suppose.

It's tempting to just keep nudging the budget up, but you need to stop somewhere!

Ari

9,181 posts

95 months

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It shouldn't take four weeks. They put a high number so no one can complain when it takes longer than it should.

10 days to a fortnight is typical, sometimes quicker.

I'd bung the guy a £100 deposit to hold it and buy it when the V5 is back.
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hora

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The new v5 arrives at his house in his name. What's his motivation to give it to you? What if he asked for a 'admin' fee as he sold the car too cheap. Totally out of order but when I buy a car privately or dealer I have to see EVERYTHING before money is handed over..

How do you know its his car and not a lease car etc?

bozmandb9

661 posts

60 months

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You're all being far too paranoid. V5 isn't proof of ownership anyway.

Check the car in the usual ways, HPI etc, check on the dvla website that he is the registered keeper, make sure you get a comprehensive receipt, job done.

Anybody selling you a car can fail to send off the V5, and/ or get a new one issued in their name anyway.

I would trust your instincts, if the guy is a straight guy, and if you've carried out all the sensible checks, then it doesn't really make much difference.

You don't need to intercept the form, clearly you need to establish that he is registered with the DVLA that he is the registered keeper, then you just get a letter from him stating that you are the new keeper. If he doesn't sent you the V5, you apply for one directly

He's done things the right way, you would equally have issues if he had the V5, but it was registered at another address.

Does he not even have the half of the V5 which you don't need to send off for change of details? Does he have any proof that he's just moved?

Edited by bozmandb9 on Wednesday 20th April 20:00

hora

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My Aunt is a self-made business woman. She recently bought a cloned car. Did all the checks/hpi but no v5 present. Bought at the sellers house. He still lives there but the local idiot Police (Rochdale) won't comment as enquires are apperently ongoing (closed then reopened after pressure)

bozmandb9

661 posts

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hora said:
My Aunt is a self-made business woman. She recently bought a cloned car. Did all the checks/hpi but no v5 present. Bought at the sellers house. He still lives there but the local idiot Police (Rochdale) won't comment as enquires are apperently ongoing (closed then reopened after pressure)
Plenty of clones sold with V5s!

hora

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I know scary frown

hora

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I know scary frown

thewhooshparrot

129 posts

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hora said:
The new v5 arrives at his house in his name. What's his motivation to give it to you? What if he asked for a 'admin' fee as he sold the car too cheap. Totally out of order but when I buy a car privately or dealer I have to see EVERYTHING before money is handed over..

How do you know its his car and not a lease car etc?
If he doesn't send it off he will be liable for all fines including parking fines and speeding tickets,not to mention tax fines and up to £1000 for not telling Dvla he sold it on.

10AE

4,054 posts

88 months

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I bought my 306 without the V5 present. The chap had only owned the car for a couple of weeks and hadn't had it back from the DVLA himself.

He posted it to me once he had it (the next day!) and I sent it to the DVLA.

They (or the Royal Mail) then lost it, so I had to apply for a new V5 but it cost nothing and arrived within a week or so.

I was happy as it was a cheap snotter and the guy seemed a genuine sort. I'd be a bit more wary with a more expensive car.

Edit: He did pass me "his" new keeper slip so I had something at least.


Edited by 10AE on Wednesday 20th April 20:41

saaby93

12,532 posts

58 months

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V5 only shows RK not owner anyway so dont worry about it
Buy the car ( make sure you have a recipt stating they are the owner and no finance) and fill in I think it's a v92 no log book present

750turbo

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104 months

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hora said:
The new v5 arrives at his house in his name. What's his motivation to give it to you? What if he asked for a 'admin' fee as he sold the car too cheap. Totally out of order but when I buy a car privately or dealer I have to see EVERYTHING before money is handed over..

How do you know its his car and not a lease car etc?
Some people in this world are actually honest and stick to their promise.



hora

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750turbo said:
Some people in this world are actually honest and stick to their promise.
Aye but if we are talking about £15,000+ of your hardearned money...

A 306 maybe.

carmonk

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Shouldn't take that long. Just stick a deposit on, with appropriate clauses, and wait a couple of weeks. Far better than risking whatever it is you might be risking by not having a V5. When I went to pick up my current car I found a single-letter discrepancy between the V5 and the VIN. I was 99.9% sure it was a simple misprint but since I wasn't desperate for the car immediately I put £100 deposit down and the guy sent the V5 away. Just over a week later he got it back, corrected, and I went down and picked up the car.

D1bram

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945 posts

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Thanks for all the replies.

I've also phoned the DVLA and whilst they advise against buying without the V5 they can (with the current owners permission) disclose details of current registration over the phone.

Combined with a HPI check, and the fact I have internet stalked the guy and found he holds a high level position in a respectable company. I think I may well take the risk depending on how it pans out this evening.

Basically if all other paperwork is in position, how likely is a family man, who is selling the car from his own home and holds a good job (complete with public internet profile) to rip me off?

sjg

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My address change this month, and the last few I've done, have been turned around within a week. Including postage both ways.

I'd put a deposit on it and wait for it to arrive.

hora

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sjg said:
I'd put a deposit on it and wait for it to arrive.
You know I'm a sceptic OP- this is a great solution as noted before and here.

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