Officially official: BMW 1-series M for 2011


The boss of BMW's M division, Dr Kay Segler, has officially confirmed that an M version of the 1-series will arrive in 2011.

Segler revealed the news to German car mag Auto News on Tuesday (read the interview on the Auto news website here if your German's good, or bung it through Google Translate and see if you can make sense of it).

The new car will be based on the 1-series coupe, but won't be called the M1 - that remains reserved for the original mid-engined supercar. More likely is a nomenclature along the lines of 135i M, especially since the new baby M-car will use a more powerful version of the 135i's 302bhp turbocharged straight six for its motive power.

Segler also confirmed that the new M5 would hit showrooms in 2011 and that, as has been widely anticipated, the V10 from the E60 M5 will be dropped in favour of the twin-turbo V8 from the X5 M and X6 M.

Lightweight tricks will also feature on the new M5, including a carbon roof similar to the one on the current M3.

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  • RobM77 16 Jun 2010

    Mr Whippy said:
    RobM77 said:
    Wolands Advocate said:
    Not when you consider how small an SLK is!
    Or how big the new Z4 is... As I've said above, the new Z4 is more of an SL type car.

    I'm guessing new crash test regs are to blame, with the SLK being a 2004 car and the new Z4 being much newer. After all, it's crazy to think that the SLK55 AMG has a 5.5 V8, doesn't give anything away in terms of comfort or equipment (in fact it has more of both), and is lighter than a BMW Z4 with a 3.0 litre straight 6, which incidentally is the successor to one of the lightest 6 cylinder engines in the world, the BMW 3.0 N52.
    What are these crash test regs?

    I keep hearing about them, but do they really inhibit producers that much? BMW are wanting to release a new Z2 anyway, so it's not that a car HAS to be so big or it's not allowed anymore.

    BMW just wanted more luxury for the Z4, so a metal roof, which took up so much room they had to make the car bigger to give it a decent ish sized boot, and then it weighs more, so bigger brakes, needs more power, so more engine, and around in circles you go!

    They *could* have made it the same size and just refreshed the looks, but that doesn't seem to be 'progress' these days... things have to get bigger for people to see a need to upgrade. Stupid but it seems to work for plenty of stupids. By the next generation Z4 owners will be driving around in what is essentially the 6 series convertible, while the new Z2 is actually what they used to own hehe

    Same goes with all cars these days. Cars don't get replaced, they get 'upgraded'

    New Astra is old Vectra, new Focus is old Mondeo kinda thing...

    Dave
    I know crash test regs are getting tougher all the time, although you're probably right, the big developments lately have been pedestrian impact, which mainly affects styling I think.

    I've always been amused how the Golf used to be VW's small car; they then moved it upmarket and introduced the Polo. Then they moved both upmarket and introduced the Lupo. Then they moved all three upmarket and introduced the Fox.

    In 2020 we're probably going to have entry level cars such as the VW Mouse and a BMW -5 series hehe Meanwhile, the BMW 7 series will probably be converted for use by luxury coach companies.

  • Mr Whippy 16 Jun 2010

    RobM77 said:
    Wolands Advocate said:
    Not when you consider how small an SLK is!
    Or how big the new Z4 is... As I've said above, the new Z4 is more of an SL type car.

    I'm guessing new crash test regs are to blame, with the SLK being a 2004 car and the new Z4 being much newer. After all, it's crazy to think that the SLK55 AMG has a 5.5 V8, doesn't give anything away in terms of comfort or equipment (in fact it has more of both), and is lighter than a BMW Z4 with a 3.0 litre straight 6, which incidentally is the successor to one of the lightest 6 cylinder engines in the world, the BMW 3.0 N52.
    What are these crash test regs?

    I keep hearing about them, but do they really inhibit producers that much? BMW are wanting to release a new Z2 anyway, so it's not that a car HAS to be so big or it's not allowed anymore.

    BMW just wanted more luxury for the Z4, so a metal roof, which took up so much room they had to make the car bigger to give it a decent ish sized boot, and then it weighs more, so bigger brakes, needs more power, so more engine, and around in circles you go!

    They *could* have made it the same size and just refreshed the looks, but that doesn't seem to be 'progress' these days... things have to get bigger for people to see a need to upgrade. Stupid but it seems to work for plenty of stupids. By the next generation Z4 owners will be driving around in what is essentially the 6 series convertible, while the new Z2 is actually what they used to own hehe

    Same goes with all cars these days. Cars don't get replaced, they get 'upgraded'

    New Astra is old Vectra, new Focus is old Mondeo kinda thing...

    Dave

  • RobM77 16 Jun 2010

    ZesPak said:
    RobM77 said:
    Wolands Advocate said:
    Not when you consider how small an SLK is!
    Or how big the new Z4 is... As I've said above, the new Z4 is more of an SL type car.

    I'm guessing new crash test regs are to blame, with the SLK being a 2004 car and the new Z4 being much newer. After all, it's crazy to think that the SLK55 AMG has a 5.5 V8, doesn't give anything away in terms of comfort or equipment (in fact it has more of both), and is lighter than a BMW Z4 with a 3.0 litre straight 6, which incidentally is the successor to one of the lightest 6 cylinder engines in the world, the BMW 3.0 N52.
    could it be a design problem tough? Designing such as a small car to look good is a lot hard (imho) than when you have a lot of room to play with.
    Possibly, but I hope that design doesn't play such a big part in such a complicated engineering creation! The old Z4 is a bit cramped for taller occupants, which explains the size increase. Personally, at only 5'10", I love having a car that fits me, rather than a heavier one that's two sizes too big smile

  • ZesPak 16 Jun 2010

    RobM77 said:
    Wolands Advocate said:
    Not when you consider how small an SLK is!
    Or how big the new Z4 is... As I've said above, the new Z4 is more of an SL type car.

    I'm guessing new crash test regs are to blame, with the SLK being a 2004 car and the new Z4 being much newer. After all, it's crazy to think that the SLK55 AMG has a 5.5 V8, doesn't give anything away in terms of comfort or equipment (in fact it has more of both), and is lighter than a BMW Z4 with a 3.0 litre straight 6, which incidentally is the successor to one of the lightest 6 cylinder engines in the world, the BMW 3.0 N52.
    could it be a design problem tough? Designing such as a small car to look good is a lot hard (imho) than when you have a lot of room to play with.

  • RobM77 15 Jun 2010

    Wolands Advocate said:
    Not when you consider how small an SLK is!
    Or how big the new Z4 is... As I've said above, the new Z4 is more of an SL type car.

    I'm guessing new crash test regs are to blame, with the SLK being a 2004 car and the new Z4 being much newer. After all, it's crazy to think that the SLK55 AMG has a 5.5 V8, doesn't give anything away in terms of comfort or equipment (in fact it has more of both), and is lighter than a BMW Z4 with a 3.0 litre straight 6, which incidentally is the successor to one of the lightest 6 cylinder engines in the world, the BMW 3.0 N52.

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