Subaru wants to turbocharge the BRZ; will Toyota let it happen?
Reports on the wires this morning suggest Subaru is working on a turbocharged BRZ with as much as 280hp going through its (hopefully gold) wheels.
Purity and balance? Pah, give us a turbo!
Having originally shown the BRZ in STI concept form and built a turbocharged Super GT race car that would tally with logical future developments for the co-developed coupe. But what’s Toyota going to make of that? At the moment the BRZ and GT86 are pretty much identical in all but badge. But we know Toyota has plans for the GT86. And a hot Subaru variant would make a lot of sense, if Toyota would allow it. Meaning, at last, a real choice as the two brands diverge from their current parallel path.
Subaru has the heritage and expertise to turbocharge the flat-four engine it supplied to the project of course. And the idea of a chunk more power going through that rear-driven chassis is the kind of thing we could definitely get behind and give the aftermarket tuners – already offering a third way – something really interesting to work with.
Toyota working on official upgrades too
PistonHeads has recently driven the JRM Racing/Sumo Power GT86 and chatted with ‘Mr GT86’ Tetsuya Tada – full stories on both very soon – and upgrades, official and third party, are being offered by some dealers. Most currently focus on handling, styling, weight saving and minor tuning via exhausts and air filters though. Given that the base package already comes with a limited-slip diff and great inherent handling balance there’s obviously plenty of scope for more though and an official STI-branded version would be an obvious win for Subaru.
Is more power what we really want out of the package though? Or would it be messing with the purist, back to basics ethos that’s made the GT86 and BRZ such a breath of fresh air to those able to look beyond grip, horsepower, mph and 0-60?
And a Nutter twin turbo with 400 BHP and wide arches.. a ferrari baiting and porsche ttting monster, such a car would make the whole range more desireable and should be good value for the performance on offer..
Go on... it can be done, why not even badge the twin turbo as a Toyota and stick a little Supra badge on the back?
fozluvscars26 Oct 2012
In my experience, having a turbo is great for scaring passengers when it kicks in, but not so good for being able to 'make' that gap when overtaking without dropping down a cog. (Although that scares them too)
kambites26 Oct 2012
Herman Toothrot said:
I've never driven a car with really good throttle response - but that's because I'm comparing to bikes. Try the throttle response on a litre sports bike and you will understand, instant. Its why there are so many videos on you tube of people flying off the back or high siding as its taken them by suprise.
I don't understand this - a good car should also be instant. In my experience, fuel injection causes a bit of a delay (no idea why) but a decent carbed car engine with a cable throttle should give better throttle response than a modern EFI bike. I've felt the throttle response on a modern 600cc triumph triple and that certainly didn't seem anything special.
Edited by kambites on Friday 26th October 09:15
s m26 Oct 2012
Herman Toothrot said:
All this turbo na talk, it is pointless. People like different things and how you drive and how its setup makes a huge difference.
I've never driven a car with really good throttle response - but that's because I'm comparing to bikes. Try the throttle response on a litre sports bike and you will understand, instant. Its why there are so many videos on you tube of people flying off the back or high siding as its taken them by suprise. .
Wasn't it RobM77 who couldn't get on with the DBW throttle on his 330i ( too much delay ).... but liked the 320d? I didn't mind my old E46 330i response - heavy flywheel compared to some other cars I've had.... But you get used to it
s m26 Oct 2012
I have had many cars of a sporting nature over my 30 years of driving, the one and only car i have ever written off (and the only accident i have ever had..to date!) was in a 2WD Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth....and i have no doubt in my mind that the reason i spun the car 180 degrees and broad sided into a very solid curb was because the Turbo came on boost at such an alarming rate, the poor Ford chassis and rear wheel drive completely lost all sense of direction and catapulted me into almost near oblivion
I swore that day i would never own another Sapphire Cosworth...and i haven't
ps. i have had many turbo'd cars since but they have all been All wheel drive!