Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)
Discussion
Remember when we did away with the vast majority of border checks on goods by mutual agreement with our most important and geographically closest trading partners, and the range and quality of fresh food suddenly became far better in the UK? Be nice to go back to those sensible, mutually beneficial and pragmatic arrangements, wouldn't it.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/...
But no. They got voted away by people who wanted rid of Polish signs over shop fronts, but couldn't say that out loud, so they pretended they were concerned about how much plasterers got paid and made stuff up about burdens on public services which weren't born out by the actual reality of the situation, and haven't improved one iota since leaving because the actual problem was the ideological right wing political party in charge of the country for the last 14 years and their chronic refusal to invest in those public services.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/...
But no. They got voted away by people who wanted rid of Polish signs over shop fronts, but couldn't say that out loud, so they pretended they were concerned about how much plasterers got paid and made stuff up about burdens on public services which weren't born out by the actual reality of the situation, and haven't improved one iota since leaving because the actual problem was the ideological right wing political party in charge of the country for the last 14 years and their chronic refusal to invest in those public services.
redback911 said:
To be fair, the Brexit decision was not an intelligence test; but it did require some critical thinking skills.
Would not have been too hard to ask themselves something like..What might the impact of making it harder to trade with the most important trading partner?
Or
What happens when all those EU workers can no longer operate in our essential services?
Or
Is that slogan on the bus a big fat lie?
Or
911hope said:
redback911 said:
To be fair, the Brexit decision was not an intelligence test; but it did require some critical thinking skills.
Would not have been too hard to ask themselves something like..What might the impact of making it harder to trade with the most important trading partner?
Or
What happens when all those EU workers can no longer operate in our essential services?
Or
Is that slogan on the bus a big fat lie?
Or
The following X thread is worth a read.
https://twitter.com/edwinhayward/status/1790650534...
Provides some insight into the boroder checks for trade.
https://twitter.com/edwinhayward/status/1790650534...
Provides some insight into the boroder checks for trade.
CivicDuties said:
Remember when we did away with the vast majority of border checks on goods by mutual agreement with our most important and geographically closest trading partners, and the range and quality of fresh food suddenly became far better in the UK? Be nice to go back to those sensible, mutually beneficial and pragmatic arrangements, wouldn't it.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/...
But no. They got voted away by people who wanted rid of Polish signs over shop fronts, but couldn't say that out loud, so they pretended they were concerned about how much plasterers got paid and made stuff up about burdens on public services which weren't born out by the actual reality of the situation, and haven't improved one iota since leaving because the actual problem was the ideological right wing political party in charge of the country for the last 14 years and their chronic refusal to invest in those public services.
Absolute condescending bull***t. A majority voted to leave for a variety of reasons. I was very torn and undecided but in the end voted to leave. https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/...
But no. They got voted away by people who wanted rid of Polish signs over shop fronts, but couldn't say that out loud, so they pretended they were concerned about how much plasterers got paid and made stuff up about burdens on public services which weren't born out by the actual reality of the situation, and haven't improved one iota since leaving because the actual problem was the ideological right wing political party in charge of the country for the last 14 years and their chronic refusal to invest in those public services.
Yes a small minority of leave voters are probably racist .
Edited by bad company on Thursday 16th May 09:17
bad company said:
CivicDuties said:
Remember when we did away with the vast majority of border checks on goods by mutual agreement with our most important and geographically closest trading partners, and the range and quality of fresh food suddenly became far better in the UK? Be nice to go back to those sensible, mutually beneficial and pragmatic arrangements, wouldn't it.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/...
But no. They got voted away by people who wanted rid of Polish signs over shop fronts, but couldn't say that out loud, so they pretended they were concerned about how much plasterers got paid and made stuff up about burdens on public services which weren't born out by the actual reality of the situation, and haven't improved one iota since leaving because the actual problem was the ideological right wing political party in charge of the country for the last 14 years and their chronic refusal to invest in those public services.
Absolute condescending bull***t. A majority voted to leave for a variety of reasons. I was very torn and undecided but in the end voted to leave. https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/...
But no. They got voted away by people who wanted rid of Polish signs over shop fronts, but couldn't say that out loud, so they pretended they were concerned about how much plasterers got paid and made stuff up about burdens on public services which weren't born out by the actual reality of the situation, and haven't improved one iota since leaving because the actual problem was the ideological right wing political party in charge of the country for the last 14 years and their chronic refusal to invest in those public services.
You only have to listed back to some of the people who called into various LBC programmes to hear the insane reasons given, but they range from;
Not being able to have fish and chips in news paper, through laws that they couldn't describe but didn't want to brown people running corner shops. then there are those who swallowed a bus whole and though JRM had their best interests at heart.
bad company said:
Absolute condescending bull***t. A majority voted to leave for a variety of reasons. I was very torn and undecided but in the end voted to leave.
Yes a small minority of leave voters are probably racist .
Yes a small minority of leave voters are probably racist .
Racism, nationalism, and post-colonial sentiments were factors that influenced some people's votes for Brexit. While these reasons may not have driven the majority, they were certainly not outliers either.
Personal experiences can vary, but in Cumbria, there was a significant rise in race-related hate crimes following the Brexit vote. I witnessed and heard about multiple instances of European hotel and hospitality staff in The Lakes being told they were no longer welcome. I personally witnessed, several EU-funded signs for broadband, bridges, and walking paths were defaced, too.
Dixy said:
911hope said:
Is that slogan on the bus a big fat lie?
What part of the slogan was not truefullfact said:
Plenty and well documented.
We have never paid the EU £350 million a week and we have never owed the EU £350 million a week. After we leave the EU, that means we cannot take back control of £350 million a week.
It was called “misleading” by the UK Statistics Authority. The UK Statistics Authority wrote to the Foreign Secretary calling it a “clear misuse of official statistics”.We have never paid the EU £350 million a week and we have never owed the EU £350 million a week. After we leave the EU, that means we cannot take back control of £350 million a week.
“It also assumes that payments currently made to the UK by the EU, including for example for the support of agriculture and scientific research, will not be paid by the UK government when we leave.”—Sir David Norgrove
Brexit bus: former Tory donor Guy Hands has held it up as an example of the ‘total lies’ told by the leave campaign.
blueg33 said:
Dixy said:
911hope said:
Is that slogan on the bus a big fat lie?
What part of the slogan was not truefullfact said:
Plenty and well documented.
We have never paid the EU £350 million a week and we have never owed the EU £350 million a week. After we leave the EU, that means we cannot take back control of £350 million a week.
It was called “misleading” by the UK Statistics Authority. The UK Statistics Authority wrote to the Foreign Secretary calling it a “clear misuse of official statistics”.We have never paid the EU £350 million a week and we have never owed the EU £350 million a week. After we leave the EU, that means we cannot take back control of £350 million a week.
“It also assumes that payments currently made to the UK by the EU, including for example for the support of agriculture and scientific research, will not be paid by the UK government when we leave.”—Sir David Norgrove
Brexit bus: former Tory donor Guy Hands has held it up as an example of the ‘total lies’ told by the leave campaign.
Vanden Saab said:
blueg33 said:
Dixy said:
911hope said:
Is that slogan on the bus a big fat lie?
What part of the slogan was not truefullfact said:
Plenty and well documented.
We have never paid the EU £350 million a week and we have never owed the EU £350 million a week. After we leave the EU, that means we cannot take back control of £350 million a week.
It was called “misleading” by the UK Statistics Authority. The UK Statistics Authority wrote to the Foreign Secretary calling it a “clear misuse of official statistics”.We have never paid the EU £350 million a week and we have never owed the EU £350 million a week. After we leave the EU, that means we cannot take back control of £350 million a week.
“It also assumes that payments currently made to the UK by the EU, including for example for the support of agriculture and scientific research, will not be paid by the UK government when we leave.”—Sir David Norgrove
Brexit bus: former Tory donor Guy Hands has held it up as an example of the ‘total lies’ told by the leave campaign.
blueg33 said:
The majority of the reasons people choose to vote leave were misguided because they were misled/conned.
You only have to listed back to some of the people who called into various LBC programmes to hear the insane reasons given, but they range from;
Not being able to have fish and chips in news paper, through laws that they couldn't describe but didn't want to brown people running corner shops. then there are those who swallowed a bus whole and though JRM had their best interests at heart.
So how many of the 17,410,742 people who voted leave called into LBC?You only have to listed back to some of the people who called into various LBC programmes to hear the insane reasons given, but they range from;
Not being able to have fish and chips in news paper, through laws that they couldn't describe but didn't want to brown people running corner shops. then there are those who swallowed a bus whole and though JRM had their best interests at heart.
bad company said:
blueg33 said:
The majority of the reasons people choose to vote leave were misguided because they were misled/conned.
You only have to listed back to some of the people who called into various LBC programmes to hear the insane reasons given, but they range from;
Not being able to have fish and chips in news paper, through laws that they couldn't describe but didn't want to brown people running corner shops. then there are those who swallowed a bus whole and though JRM had their best interests at heart.
So how many of the 17,410,742 people who voted leave called into LBC?You only have to listed back to some of the people who called into various LBC programmes to hear the insane reasons given, but they range from;
Not being able to have fish and chips in news paper, through laws that they couldn't describe but didn't want to brown people running corner shops. then there are those who swallowed a bus whole and though JRM had their best interests at heart.
It isn't fair to confine all the blame to the 52% of the 70% who voted leave.
Granted they were fools, but so we're the 30% who didn't bother to vote.
Of the 5 people I know who voted leave.
One was pure racism (ignorance of immigration)
One was just stupidity (had read too much daily mail)
Both of these still believe they were right.
The other 3 have forgotten that they were leavers and claim they voted remain.
Granted they were fools, but so we're the 30% who didn't bother to vote.
Of the 5 people I know who voted leave.
One was pure racism (ignorance of immigration)
One was just stupidity (had read too much daily mail)
Both of these still believe they were right.
The other 3 have forgotten that they were leavers and claim they voted remain.
911hope said:
It isn't fair to confine all the blame to the 52% of the 70% who voted leave.
Granted they were fools, but so we're the 30% who didn't bother to vote.
Of the 5 people I know who voted leave.
One was pure racism (ignorance of immigration)
One was just stupidity (had read too much daily mail)
Both of these still believe they were right.
The other 3 have forgotten that they were leavers and claim they voted remain.
More condescending bull***t from a Remoaner.Granted they were fools, but so we're the 30% who didn't bother to vote.
Of the 5 people I know who voted leave.
One was pure racism (ignorance of immigration)
One was just stupidity (had read too much daily mail)
Both of these still believe they were right.
The other 3 have forgotten that they were leavers and claim they voted remain.
What makes you so much better than the millions of leave voters?
911hope said:
It isn't fair to confine all the blame to the 52% of the 70% who voted leave.
Granted they were fools, but so we're the 30% who didn't bother to vote.
Of the 5 people I know who voted leave.
One was pure racism (ignorance of immigration)
One was just stupidity (had read too much daily mail)
Both of these still believe they were right.
The other 3 have forgotten that they were leavers and claim they voted remain.
This.Granted they were fools, but so we're the 30% who didn't bother to vote.
Of the 5 people I know who voted leave.
One was pure racism (ignorance of immigration)
One was just stupidity (had read too much daily mail)
Both of these still believe they were right.
The other 3 have forgotten that they were leavers and claim they voted remain.
People were given a grenade to chuck and they chucked it to see what happened.
They shouldn't have been given one, but also they should've felt listened to.
I expected leave to win, and Trump, because they were both actual opportunities to force change.
No leave fan came up with anything other than peabrained moronic s
te when i asked them to reason.
But nowt too compelling from remain fans either other than seeing little point in blowing things up.
I'm sure some spent months agonising on remote clifftops.
I expect most had a few tinnies and headed for the voting booth.
For a lot of people voting isn't something they really think about, they just do it based on past habits.
Except this time it actually changed something.
They shouldn't have been given one, but also they should've felt listened to.
I expected leave to win, and Trump, because they were both actual opportunities to force change.
No leave fan came up with anything other than peabrained moronic s
te when i asked them to reason. But nowt too compelling from remain fans either other than seeing little point in blowing things up.
I'm sure some spent months agonising on remote clifftops.
I expect most had a few tinnies and headed for the voting booth.
For a lot of people voting isn't something they really think about, they just do it based on past habits.
Except this time it actually changed something.
Edited by bloomen on Friday 17th May 08:33
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