Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister

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Mandat

3,903 posts

240 months

Thursday 2nd May
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GetCarter said:
..and while we are talking about money. He's paying 23% tax and I'm paying 43%.
He's subject to the same tax laws as you.
It's a disingenuous & misleading comparison, which is precisely why the anti-Rishi brigade are pushing that narrative.

It's an appealing soundbite, designed to achieve the reaction that GetCarter has just demonstrated.

A bit of deeper thought by anybody interested in the facts will understand how & why these relative % are what they are.

It is as much misleading as accusing e.g. Amazon of paying a tiny % of tax based on turnover. Everybody knows that tax is charged on profits and not turnover, but some people still make such misleading claims, which others accept without thinking.

Cobracc

3,362 posts

152 months

Thursday 2nd May
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President Merkin said:
Interesting graph I saw today. Taking out blips like Truss, the Tory vote share is declining at about 0.5% per month & has been for a while. While I don't expect them to poll at 15% & campaigns change things, as do events, waiting for something helpful to come aloing isn't itself a neutral act. The longer it's left, the more there is to overturn & absent a handy war or similar, they are well past the point of no return. Which begs the question, why not now?

But...but...ANGELA RAYNER!!! But...but...RWANDA!!!


bitchstewie

51,939 posts

212 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Wait they're on 18% now?

fk hehe

Rufus Stone

6,492 posts

58 months

Friday 3rd May
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Tories only beat Reform by 100 odd votes in Blackpool South. scratchchin

Labour easily win it.


anonymoususer

5,981 posts

50 months

Friday 3rd May
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Rufus Stone said:
Tories only beat Reform by 100 odd votes in Blackpool South. scratchchin

Labour easily win it.
This is not one of my parrot specials:
We have an interest in the area and have been rather bemused by some of the coverage and reporting on this one.
Some reports would have you believe it was a stoically conservative seat with history going back yonks. It wasnt
It had been Labour before.for a very long time. Since Blairs landslide it had been Labour with the same MP - Gordon Marsden through to 2019 thats over 20 years. Gordon Marsden was frequently viewed by many as being a bit useless and was parodied for being the MP for a seaside resort as in Brighton (where he lived). We actually found him quite decent and it was interesting how his own views differed in some ways from the Labour councils on certain things

The tory who got it in Boris's landslide had been involved in a cash for question type scandal. He had also been rather disingenuous when dealing with "awkward" constituents. I'm being delicate here but he was getting a reputation for crying victim when people he was supposedly assisting were not getting much help.
He was neither sincere nor honest and we had always thought it would go back to Labour art the earliest opportunity.
The new MP Chris Webb does have the fact he is local going in his favour but he is also a career type politician and was at one point Clive "Grunter" Grunshaws deputy Police commisioner with a job created for him by Clive.
He contested the 2019 election but as a Blackpool North contestant.
Some of us who have interests in the town find it deeply ironic that the Labour led council have spent so much in some areas yet badly neglected others.
A friend of ours has been hampered by the councils decisions on certain things this has unfortunately led to a situation where there is now a game of first to blink regarding an eyesore in the town.
Hopefully Chris Webb may be a good MP but with a council who seem to do whatever they want on a whim, who get rid of their councillors who dare to question the party line I am not too sure he will be. His connections to "Uncle Ivan" do not bode well.
There is also an upcoming boundary change which means that the Blackpool North constituency will move further north and many places that are historically regarded as being in the North of Blackpool such as Layton will now (for electoral purposes) move into the south.




bitchstewie

51,939 posts

212 months

Friday 3rd May
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No comments on the Conservative performance overnight?

I wonder why.

Derek Smith

45,845 posts

250 months

Friday 3rd May
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bhstewie said:
No comments on the Conservative performance overnight?

I wonder why.
We don't speak ill of the dead.

tangerine_sedge

4,854 posts

220 months

Friday 3rd May
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bhstewie said:
No comments on the Conservative performance overnight?

I wonder why.
Give them chance to read how to spin it on the Daily Mail website...FFS hehe

JagLover

42,600 posts

237 months

Friday 3rd May
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Derek Smith said:
bhstewie said:
No comments on the Conservative performance overnight?

I wonder why.
We don't speak ill of the dead.
hehe

S600BSB

5,117 posts

108 months

Friday 3rd May
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Fabulous that Boris was turned away from his local polling station yesterday because he had forgotten his ID!

shed driver

2,190 posts

162 months

Friday 3rd May
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With several by-elections all delivering 20% plus swings to Lab what would that be in terms of seats in the forthcoming GE?

SD.

Mr Penguin

1,595 posts

41 months

Friday 3rd May
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bhstewie said:
No comments on the Conservative performance overnight?

I wonder why.
Losing half of councillors seems like what was expected but less than a third of results are in so let's see how it changes over the rest of the day.

President Merkin

3,346 posts

21 months

Friday 3rd May
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Yeah, bound to improve from here laugh

p1stonhead

25,743 posts

169 months

Friday 3rd May
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Derek Smith said:
bhstewie said:
No comments on the Conservative performance overnight?

I wonder why.
We don't speak ill of the dead.

bitchstewie

51,939 posts

212 months

Friday 3rd May
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Mr Penguin said:
Losing half of councillors seems like what was expected but less than a third of results are in so let's see how it changes over the rest of the day.
Seriously?

Mr Penguin

1,595 posts

41 months

Friday 3rd May
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bhstewie said:
Seriously?
Yeah, given being very unpopular, last vote in these areas being a high point, and being squeezed by Reform, I thought losing half of seats was expected.

The betting markets haven't changed prices on the next election as a result of this so it doesn't seem to be too surprising to other people with an eye on it.

bitchstewie

51,939 posts

212 months

Friday 3rd May
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I meant seriously that the headlines later today when more results are in will be "we got it wrong it's not that bad".

Don't see it myself.

blueg33

36,291 posts

226 months

Friday 3rd May
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S600BSB said:
Fabulous that Boris was turned away from his local polling station yesterday because he had forgotten his ID!
Especially funny!

less funny is veterans being turned away because their veteran ID isn't acceptable.

I still think that the ID thing is unnecessary.

Mr Penguin

1,595 posts

41 months

Friday 3rd May
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bhstewie said:
I meant seriously that the headlines later today when more results are in will be "we got it wrong it's not that bad".

Don't see it myself.
Politicians always try to spin it. The best case of this in 1990 when they managed to convince the press that a good night for the Conservatives was winning just two seats.

greygoose

8,305 posts

197 months

Friday 3rd May
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blueg33 said:
S600BSB said:
Fabulous that Boris was turned away from his local polling station yesterday because he had forgotten his ID!
Especially funny!

less funny is veterans being turned away because their veteran ID isn't acceptable.

I still think that the ID thing is unnecessary.
Just an attempt to rig the vote by the Tories and about as effective as their other policies.