Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
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S600BSB said:
What’s Blockbuster?
It was a TV Gameshow hosted by Bob Holness. It was quite good Bob Holness actually voiced the character of James Bond on a radio version of Moonraker some years before Sean Connery took the role in the films.
A lot of people are surprised at that. Just as a lot of people will be surprised when Keir channels his "inner Bond" if and when he becomes PM.
I suspect there is a steely side to Keir that will deal with people that get in the way
anonymoususer said:
S600BSB said:
What’s Blockbuster?
It was a TV Gameshow hosted by Bob Holness. It was quite good Bob Holness actually voiced the character of James Bond on a radio version of Moonraker some years before Sean Connery took the role in the films.
A lot of people are surprised at that. Just as a lot of people will be surprised when Keir channels his "inner Bond" if and when he becomes PM.
I suspect there is a steely side to Keir that will deal with people that get in the way
He didn't...
President Merkin said:
Finland effectively abolished private education decades ago. It made the clearly correct assumption that, if the rich and powerful knew their own children were likely to attend state-maintained schools, they would be keen to ensure that such schools were well funded. Finland is among Europe’s most educationally successful countries. Therein lies a truism, you're either in society or you aren't. Perpetuating social division for personal advantage gives a clear answer where some stand.
More likely the parents with sharp elbows will lobby teachers and governors to prioritise things that are useful to their children, which already happens here. I think it is dangerous to pick a single policy in another country and say 1) that is the majority of the cause of why they are successful / not successful and 2) that if we transplant that policy into our society with our economy, history and demography then it will automatically work.
Some other things that the Finns do (which private schools here do):
Small class sizes
Teaching is respected profession so you get the best candidates
A culture of learning at home as well as at school (compare to England where a quarter of children entering school are not potty trained and a fifth of parents think it isn't their job to do it https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pr...
On the claim that Finland have the best education system: In the 2022 PISA rankings, the UK was ahead of Finland in reading and maths (but behind in science).
Mr Penguin said:
On the claim that Finland have the best education system: In the 2022 PISA rankings, the UK was ahead of Finland in reading and maths (but behind in science).
But, if I recall correctly - highly dubious 
, Finland doesn't focus so much on standardized testing so whereas we teach to pass a particular exam at the exclusion of other stuff, Finnish schools look at the broader educational experience to produce a better rounded pupil ready for the workplace.Stats only tell one side of a story.
EddieSteadyGo said:
....However, if I was doing it all again, I might be tempted to move house to get a more ideal state school choice. And then supplement whatever the state school provides with private tutoring.
Oh fear not, the next time a bone needs to be thrown out to appease some of the support, I'm sure private tutoring will be targeted at some point if that's the case more people move to the above. Can't have those with the means to wanting to do better for their kids you see...... isaldiri said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
....However, if I was doing it all again, I might be tempted to move house to get a more ideal state school choice. And then supplement whatever the state school provides with private tutoring.
Oh fear not, the next time a bone needs to be thrown out to appease some of the support, I'm sure private tutoring will be targeted at some point if that's the case more people move to the above. Can't have those with the means to wanting to do better for their kids you see...... And stick 20% on school books, maths practice websites and houses near decent schools surely?
isaldiri said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
....However, if I was doing it all again, I might be tempted to move house to get a more ideal state school choice. And then supplement whatever the state school provides with private tutoring.
Oh fear not, the next time a bone needs to be thrown out to appease some of the support, I'm sure private tutoring will be targeted at some point if that's the case more people move to the above. Can't have those with the means to wanting to do better for their kids you see...... Throwing huge sums of money at your children's education is just not necessary. How much tutoring do PHers' children really need?
It must quickly become a case of diminishing returns. amongst my wider social circle, the wealthiest people were not privately educated, although material wealth is not that important once a fairly modest level is reached anyway <hangs head in shame for un-PH opinion>
State schools are not the universally terrible places that some may think either. My nephew is a bright lad and his school will be assisting him with preparation for university.
Many state schools have a good range of extra-curricular activities too and organisations such as Scouts or cadets can give more opportunities and experiences to young people.
Edited by MC Bodge on Friday 17th May 11:46
MC Bodge said:
This sort of thing is quite amusing to read.
Throwing huge sums of money at your children's education is just not necessary. How much tutoring do PHers' children really need?
It must quickly become a case of diminishing returns. amongst my wider social circle, the wealthiest people were not privately educated, although material wealth is not that important once a fairly modest level is reached anyway <hangs head in shame for un-PH opinion>
State schools are not the universally terrible places that some may think either. My nephew is a bright lad and his school will be assisting him with preparation for university.
Many state schools have a good range of extra-curricular activities too and organisations such as Scouts or cadets can give more opportunities and experiences to young people.
Not everyone has an high performing school in their area.Throwing huge sums of money at your children's education is just not necessary. How much tutoring do PHers' children really need?
It must quickly become a case of diminishing returns. amongst my wider social circle, the wealthiest people were not privately educated, although material wealth is not that important once a fairly modest level is reached anyway <hangs head in shame for un-PH opinion>
State schools are not the universally terrible places that some may think either. My nephew is a bright lad and his school will be assisting him with preparation for university.
Many state schools have a good range of extra-curricular activities too and organisations such as Scouts or cadets can give more opportunities and experiences to young people.
Edited by MC Bodge on Friday 17th May 11:46
119 said:
MC Bodge said:
This sort of thing is quite amusing to read.
Throwing huge sums of money at your children's education is just not necessary. How much tutoring do PHers' children really need?
It must quickly become a case of diminishing returns. amongst my wider social circle, the wealthiest people were not privately educated, although material wealth is not that important once a fairly modest level is reached anyway <hangs head in shame for un-PH opinion>
State schools are not the universally terrible places that some may think either. My nephew is a bright lad and his school will be assisting him with preparation for university.
Many state schools have a good range of extra-curricular activities too and organisations such as Scouts or cadets can give more opportunities and experiences to young people.
Not everyone has an high performing school in their area.Throwing huge sums of money at your children's education is just not necessary. How much tutoring do PHers' children really need?
It must quickly become a case of diminishing returns. amongst my wider social circle, the wealthiest people were not privately educated, although material wealth is not that important once a fairly modest level is reached anyway <hangs head in shame for un-PH opinion>
State schools are not the universally terrible places that some may think either. My nephew is a bright lad and his school will be assisting him with preparation for university.
Many state schools have a good range of extra-curricular activities too and organisations such as Scouts or cadets can give more opportunities and experiences to young people.
Edited by MC Bodge on Friday 17th May 11:46
President Merkin said:
Combing through an IFS report at 11pm on a Thursday night belies your prior assertion that you don't have a dog in the fight, wouldn't you agree?
It was that or series 3 of Bridgerton and it took very little time to realise it was all estimates, assumptions and waffle. I was quite surprised you leaned so heavily on it - but perhaps you didn't actually read it ?I'm going to spare the assembled company a piece by piece dismantling of your attack-dog , green eyed monster , socialist waffle (because that's what it is).
The main issue that's relevant to this thread is that if this is what Labour consider to be a front & centre policy idea & if this is an example of the best we have to look forward to then its risible for all the reasons that have been clearly spelled out - which have nothing to do with "preserving engines of discrimination" .
Its just a case of calling it out for what it is: Stupid f
kwittery,anonymoususer said:
S600BSB said:
What’s Blockbuster?
It was a TV Gameshow hosted by Bob Holness. It was quite good Bob Holness actually voiced the character of James Bond on a radio version of Moonraker some years before Sean Connery took the role in the films.
A lot of people are surprised at that. Just as a lot of people will be surprised when Keir channels his "inner Bond" if and when he becomes PM.
I suspect there is a steely side to Keir that will deal with people that get in the way
MC Bodge said:
This sort of thing is quite amusing to read.
Throwing huge sums of money at your children's education is just not necessary. How much tutoring do PHers' children really need?
It must quickly become a case of diminishing returns. amongst my wider social circle, the wealthiest people were not privately educated, although material wealth is not that important once a fairly modest level is reached anyway <hangs head in shame for un-PH opinion>
State schools are not the universally terrible places that some may think either. My nephew is a bright lad and his school will be assisting him with preparation for university.
Many state schools have a good range of extra-curricular activities too and organisations such as Scouts or cadets can give more opportunities and experiences to young people.
Whether or not tutoring is necessary or really needed doesn't change the fact that quite a lot of people do it (not just here but around the world) and it clearly is quite a common thing for many parents to attempt to provide a leg up to their children and unless you change human nature, that's likely to continue for all eternity. Throwing huge sums of money at your children's education is just not necessary. How much tutoring do PHers' children really need?
It must quickly become a case of diminishing returns. amongst my wider social circle, the wealthiest people were not privately educated, although material wealth is not that important once a fairly modest level is reached anyway <hangs head in shame for un-PH opinion>
State schools are not the universally terrible places that some may think either. My nephew is a bright lad and his school will be assisting him with preparation for university.
Many state schools have a good range of extra-curricular activities too and organisations such as Scouts or cadets can give more opportunities and experiences to young people.
And it doesn't change that the VAT is being tacked on by Starmer mainly to placate part of his party and it will be very unlikely to result in any meaningful change in either revenue raised or school elitism. And also given that therefore that the next target if/when required should therefore also then be private tutoring.
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