Teacher guilty of sex with two boys
Discussion
Dagnir said:
pork911 said:
Dagnir said:
pork911 said:
on the list.
The narcissism to think this means anything is wonderfully hilarious.Why don't explain what you meant, then everyone can see my astonishing stupidity?
Edited by Dagnir on Saturday 18th May 07:56
Getragdogleg said:
28 year old Men trying to get with 15 year old girls is creepy no matter the circumstances, that's the way it is in law and in real life and Its way worse when the man is a teacher.
Why do you think it’s less creepy when the respective sexes are reversed?Bit like it’s seedy if blokes go and watch strippers, but empowering if women do…..
Bit like half the world rioting, protesting and kneeling for a wife beating drug dealer who died resisting arrest, whilst the pensioner knifed to death in London got brushed under the carpet and anybody voicing concerns is automatically racist.
We are in odd times, equality that’s anything but.
22 said:
I had a brief 'sexual' encounter (not penetrative) with a teacher at secondary school (so it wasn't repeated behaviour like this story). All the lads fancied the pants off her (I was a clown but no oil painting) and I went from largely anonymous kid to school 'famous' in one moment. All the attention was positive, it genuinely helped me get female attention when previously I had none. Honestly it gave me a confidence that has followed me through life. I was never shy chatting to girls in pubs and clubs - the good looking lads would fear rejection, I didn't care. I have punched above my weight with ladies all my life - I think in part due to this one moment and the reaction to it. Two cracking looking girls once had a verbal altercation in a pub about ME (I'm married to one today).
Was I a victim? er, nope.
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Do you feel that such an experience at an impressionable age has made you cling to the need for such validation to a disproportionate way? If it had not set you off down that fork in the road do you think you would have married a pub fighter?Was I a victim? er, nope.
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Put simply, penetratively, men do sex to a women, a woman has sex done to her.
That's the difference and that is why there will always be a difference in the reaction people have when one side is underage.
As I said, in this case she's bang out of order. She broke her position of trust.
But if the older women and younger man met in different circumstances I'd be willing to bet there would be no police involved.
That's the difference and that is why there will always be a difference in the reaction people have when one side is underage.
As I said, in this case she's bang out of order. She broke her position of trust.
But if the older women and younger man met in different circumstances I'd be willing to bet there would be no police involved.
Getragdogleg said:
Its impossible to try and put in neat little boxes because its not something you can put in a neat little box.
Drawing an arbitrary line in the air and saying you can only X from Y age does not fit everyone and never can in the real world.
The crime here is abuse of the trust and duty of care to not do what she did, if this had arisen because she had met the boys in different circumstances, say for example at a pub or club, then id bet there would have been no court case.
As a 15 year old lad 35 years ago I was out and about on fake ID and although I at the time I never got myself involved with any older women Id have been knee deep in minutes if I had the chance.
She's an idiot who has ruined her own life, I reckon the boys will be just fine although the one who got her pregnant is going to have had a lesson in consequences nice and early.
28 year old Men trying to get with 15 year old girls is creepy no matter the circumstances, that's the way it is in law and in real life and Its way worse when the man is a teacher.
And yet if she burgled them...Drawing an arbitrary line in the air and saying you can only X from Y age does not fit everyone and never can in the real world.
The crime here is abuse of the trust and duty of care to not do what she did, if this had arisen because she had met the boys in different circumstances, say for example at a pub or club, then id bet there would have been no court case.
As a 15 year old lad 35 years ago I was out and about on fake ID and although I at the time I never got myself involved with any older women Id have been knee deep in minutes if I had the chance.
She's an idiot who has ruined her own life, I reckon the boys will be just fine although the one who got her pregnant is going to have had a lesson in consequences nice and early.
28 year old Men trying to get with 15 year old girls is creepy no matter the circumstances, that's the way it is in law and in real life and Its way worse when the man is a teacher.
Getragdogleg said:
How the hell is it murder if the b
ds were trespassing and trying to burgle ?
If your on someone's property nicking stuff you should have zero rights if that person decides to stop you permanently.
ds were trespassing and trying to burgle ?If your on someone's property nicking stuff you should have zero rights if that person decides to stop you permanently.
Rufus Stone said:
Electro1980 said:
“Technically the definition of a paedophile is…” give it a rest. She’s a predator who abused her position of power to groom and assault children. The fact that the popular definition diverges from the dictionary definition is irrelevant and an argument to be had elsewhere.
Definitions matter, or at least they should. The fact that the likes of the Daily Mail will describe anyone having sex with someone under the age of consent as a paedophile does not make it the popular definition.Edited by Rufus Stone on Saturday 18th May 07:59
Getragdogleg said:
Put simply, penetratively, men do sex to a women, a woman has sex done to her.
That's the difference and that is why there will always be a difference in the reaction people have when one side is underage.
As I said, in this case she's bang out of order. She broke her position of trust.
But if the older women and younger man met in different circumstances I'd be willing to bet there would be no police involved.
Are your quaint views on female passivity related to your views on accused females?That's the difference and that is why there will always be a difference in the reaction people have when one side is underage.
As I said, in this case she's bang out of order. She broke her position of trust.
But if the older women and younger man met in different circumstances I'd be willing to bet there would be no police involved.
Getragdogleg said:
scrw. said:
A very interesting read, the whole case has been very odd from the start and I have never been wholly convinced that she isn't some kind of scapegoat to cover for some much larger institutional failings. pork911 said:
Dagnir said:
pork911 said:
Dagnir said:
pork911 said:
on the list.
The narcissism to think this means anything is wonderfully hilarious.Why don't explain what you meant, then everyone can see my astonishing stupidity?
Edited by Dagnir on Saturday 18th May 07:56
If people don't understand a fairly random 3 word sentence, then that's on you, not them.
Electro1980 said:
Definitions change. Language changes. Going in to every thread where someone uses the term paedophile to describe someone who sexually abused children to argue a technicality about ages is weird behaviour.
And criticising someone for pointing out the correct definition isn't I suppose.Getragdogleg said:
28 year old Men trying to get with 15 year old girls is creepy no matter the circumstances, that's the way it is in law and in real life and Its way worse when the man is a teacher.
It's equally as creepy when any 28yr old woman goes with 15 yr old boys ..... even more so when she's their teacher AND has already been caught once and yet does it again.As others have said she's a predator,it wasn't a casual drunken 10 minutes of sex,she groomed these boys over a period of time. Whether the boys enjoyed it is irrelevant
pork911 said:
Getragdogleg said:
Put simply, penetratively, men do sex to a women, a woman has sex done to her.
That's the difference and that is why there will always be a difference in the reaction people have when one side is underage.
As I said, in this case she's bang out of order. She broke her position of trust.
But if the older women and younger man met in different circumstances I'd be willing to bet there would be no police involved.
Are your quaint views on female passivity related to your views on accused females?That's the difference and that is why there will always be a difference in the reaction people have when one side is underage.
As I said, in this case she's bang out of order. She broke her position of trust.
But if the older women and younger man met in different circumstances I'd be willing to bet there would be no police involved.
Getragdogleg said:
scrw. said:
A very interesting read, the whole case has been very odd from the start and I have never been wholly convinced that she isn't some kind of scapegoat to cover for some much larger institutional failings. Rufus Stone said:
Electro1980 said:
Definitions change. Language changes. Going in to every thread where someone uses the term paedophile to describe someone who sexually abused children to argue a technicality about ages is weird behaviour.
And criticising someone for pointing out the correct definition isn't I suppose.Getragdogleg said:
Put simply, penetratively, men do sex to a women, a woman has sex done to her.
You haven’t met my wife! 
All joking aside even in you ignore age it’s still wrong as the position of trust was abused.
If I were a teacher in my early 20’s and a pupil & I had a chemistry then it would be my responsibility to tell them to wait until they left school.
Anything else is rightly judged harshly by the law.
Similarly I am a ship’s Master, if a female junior officer & I started a relationship it would be incredibly inappropriate and would harm both our credibility among the rest of the crew.
I suspect in this case she enjoyed having the power in the relationship and that her age and position meant she felt in control. The fact she didn’t date men of her own age suggests a psychological issue with trust & control.
Fermit said:
Her behaviour show's all the hall marks of grooming, however, the 'victim' in question was more than happy to go back for more, 29 times.
Not sure why "victim" is in quotes.Pretty sure some of the girls in Rotherham and other victims of sexual abuse did too by so by your definition presumably they aren't victims either.
I see.
So in this thread burglary, murder and underage sex are all linked and no matter which topic I comment on I'm still wrong.
So, you must let a burglar do his thing.
Lucy letby is totally and utterly guilty and even though her defence was st she must have done it all. No chance of the hospital getting anything wrong at all nor a chance the very fragile ill baby's could have died if she wasn't there.
And there is no difference at all between men and women.
So in this thread burglary, murder and underage sex are all linked and no matter which topic I comment on I'm still wrong.
So, you must let a burglar do his thing.
Lucy letby is totally and utterly guilty and even though her defence was s
t she must have done it all. No chance of the hospital getting anything wrong at all nor a chance the very fragile ill baby's could have died if she wasn't there. And there is no difference at all between men and women.
She had sex with kids. That pretty much covers it.
For all those introducing shade and nuance please refer to point A above.
It's never right and never should be right regardless of whether the child gives consent or not. They are not in a position to give informed consent due to, erm, being a child.
Apparently the 15 year old girl Graeme Rix had sex with looked much older than 15 and was a willing partner. He still got found guilty and was jailed.
For all those introducing shade and nuance please refer to point A above.
It's never right and never should be right regardless of whether the child gives consent or not. They are not in a position to give informed consent due to, erm, being a child.
Apparently the 15 year old girl Graeme Rix had sex with looked much older than 15 and was a willing partner. He still got found guilty and was jailed.
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