Flea an tick treatment.
Discussion
PositronicRay said:
Our pair have Adocate spot on from the vets. Usually they just issue it an we collect from reception. This time the want a check up òn the dogs.
They never miss their annual jabs and check up, is this a new thing?
Have you asked the reason for the additional check up? Maybe your dogs are a certain and they feel they would benefit from additional checks. They never miss their annual jabs and check up, is this a new thing?
If you don’t want to do it, just refuse. You can buy spot on treatments online for a lot cheaper.
Sounds like an upsell attempt to me.
Rightly or wrongly I don't insure our two Welsh terriers and never take them to the vets for boosters and such like (unless they are unwell) as you are guaranteed to come away with an unexpected bill.
I use a Seresto collar which is 100% effective for fleas and ticks, unlike the various spot on things we've tried. I get the larger one and cut it into two and secure it inside their regular collars with some small cable ties - works a treat, hides the collar of shame, and saves you £40
Tight wad, moi ?
Rightly or wrongly I don't insure our two Welsh terriers and never take them to the vets for boosters and such like (unless they are unwell) as you are guaranteed to come away with an unexpected bill.
I use a Seresto collar which is 100% effective for fleas and ticks, unlike the various spot on things we've tried. I get the larger one and cut it into two and secure it inside their regular collars with some small cable ties - works a treat, hides the collar of shame, and saves you £40
Tight wad, moi ?
PositronicRay said:
Our pair have Adocate spot on from the vets. Usually they just issue it an we collect from reception. This time the want a check up òn the dogs.
They never miss their annual jabs and check up, is this a new thing?
I would have asked them at the time, so I could get an immediate accurate answer.They never miss their annual jabs and check up, is this a new thing?
But it's not too late! You can still pick up that telephone thing, call them and ask 'Can you tell me why please?'
We were advised that Advocate doesn’t protect against ticks, in tick season we change to Bravecto.
Also our vet needs to see the dogs for every single prescription, despite that fact they would need to double or half inside within a few months to need a different dose. I think that’s a scam to be honest.
Also our vet needs to see the dogs for every single prescription, despite that fact they would need to double or half inside within a few months to need a different dose. I think that’s a scam to be honest.
Simpo Two said:
PositronicRay said:
Our pair have Adocate spot on from the vets. Usually they just issue it an we collect from reception. This time the want a check up òn the dogs.
They never miss their annual jabs and check up, is this a new thing?
I would have asked them at the time, so I could get an immediate accurate answer.They never miss their annual jabs and check up, is this a new thing?
But it's not too late! You can still pick up that telephone thing, call them and ask 'Can you tell me why please?'
I like this particular practice, local and never has any reason to doubt them before.
We get our flea and parasite treatment (Advocate) in 3monthly doses from our vet. When we go, the dog gets a checkup at the same time. Typically, he will be weighed, heart and lungs listened to, a check of his abdomen and his limbs/joints. For this we pay £35. To be honest, we think that it is pretty good value and we like the fact that he has a check up every 3 months. In addition, if we have any concerns, they are always happy to check him over and answer any of our questions.
It’s not a scam or upsell. As of Jan this year the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons (RCVS) changed the way we (as vets) are allowed to prescribe flea and worming treatments.
Animals have always had to be seen by a vet for a physical exam to be able to be prescribed flea and wormer that is POM-V, of which Advocate is one EVERY 12 MONTHS - this is the set by the RCVS.
Flea and worming treatments are now, since January 2024, classified as antimicrobials - these must only be prescribed after a full clinical exam. The intricacies are now that the vet (and only that vet) who has seen the animal in the last 12 months must state what flea and wormer drug, the formulation and the weight catorgory is to be prescribed over the next 12 months. Unless this is stated you will have to be seen by a vet for a PHYSICAL EXAM. Some practices charge, some don’t. I personally think there is a balance, for a 12 month health check, fair enough. Otherwise it is a tricky one, ultimately seeing clients for free isn’t ideal, however if it is down to a vet not putting an authorisation on the account, the charge will be likely waived (we try to keep people happy).
Ultimately extra bureaucracy has been caused by changing the classification of endo and ectoparaciticides to antimicrobials meaning more work for vets of which the cost of our time will be passed on to the client. We don’t want to have to do it as it’s not the best use of our time but we have to.
https://www.rcvs.org.uk/setting-standards/advice-a...
Animals have always had to be seen by a vet for a physical exam to be able to be prescribed flea and wormer that is POM-V, of which Advocate is one EVERY 12 MONTHS - this is the set by the RCVS.
Flea and worming treatments are now, since January 2024, classified as antimicrobials - these must only be prescribed after a full clinical exam. The intricacies are now that the vet (and only that vet) who has seen the animal in the last 12 months must state what flea and wormer drug, the formulation and the weight catorgory is to be prescribed over the next 12 months. Unless this is stated you will have to be seen by a vet for a PHYSICAL EXAM. Some practices charge, some don’t. I personally think there is a balance, for a 12 month health check, fair enough. Otherwise it is a tricky one, ultimately seeing clients for free isn’t ideal, however if it is down to a vet not putting an authorisation on the account, the charge will be likely waived (we try to keep people happy).
Ultimately extra bureaucracy has been caused by changing the classification of endo and ectoparaciticides to antimicrobials meaning more work for vets of which the cost of our time will be passed on to the client. We don’t want to have to do it as it’s not the best use of our time but we have to.
https://www.rcvs.org.uk/setting-standards/advice-a...
Good answer from the vet there.
Possibly a clumsy attempt to cut down over-prescribing? Insecticides generally aren't very nice.
Mr Tom said:
Ultimately extra bureaucracy has been caused by changing the classification of endo and ectoparaciticides to antimicrobials...
Butt fleas and ticks aren't microbes, they're insects and arachnids.Possibly a clumsy attempt to cut down over-prescribing? Insecticides generally aren't very nice.
Mr Tom said:
It’s not a scam or upsell. As of Jan this year the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons (RCVS) changed the way we (as vets) are allowed to prescribe flea and worming treatments.
Animals have always had to be seen by a vet for a physical exam to be able to be prescribed flea and wormer that is POM-V, of which Advocate is one EVERY 12 MONTHS - this is the set by the RCVS.
Flea and worming treatments are now, since January 2024, classified as antimicrobials - these must only be prescribed after a full clinical exam. The intricacies are now that the vet (and only that vet) who has seen the animal in the last 12 months must state what flea and wormer drug, the formulation and the weight catorgory is to be prescribed over the next 12 months. Unless this is stated you will have to be seen by a vet for a PHYSICAL EXAM. Some practices charge, some don’t. I personally think there is a balance, for a 12 month health check, fair enough. Otherwise it is a tricky one, ultimately seeing clients for free isn’t ideal, however if it is down to a vet not putting an authorisation on the account, the charge will be likely waived (we try to keep people happy).
Ultimately extra bureaucracy has been caused by changing the classification of endo and ectoparaciticides to antimicrobials meaning more work for vets of which the cost of our time will be passed on to the client. We don’t want to have to do it as it’s not the best use of our time but we have to.
https://www.rcvs.org.uk/setting-standards/advice-a...
Thank you for the clarification.Animals have always had to be seen by a vet for a physical exam to be able to be prescribed flea and wormer that is POM-V, of which Advocate is one EVERY 12 MONTHS - this is the set by the RCVS.
Flea and worming treatments are now, since January 2024, classified as antimicrobials - these must only be prescribed after a full clinical exam. The intricacies are now that the vet (and only that vet) who has seen the animal in the last 12 months must state what flea and wormer drug, the formulation and the weight catorgory is to be prescribed over the next 12 months. Unless this is stated you will have to be seen by a vet for a PHYSICAL EXAM. Some practices charge, some don’t. I personally think there is a balance, for a 12 month health check, fair enough. Otherwise it is a tricky one, ultimately seeing clients for free isn’t ideal, however if it is down to a vet not putting an authorisation on the account, the charge will be likely waived (we try to keep people happy).
Ultimately extra bureaucracy has been caused by changing the classification of endo and ectoparaciticides to antimicrobials meaning more work for vets of which the cost of our time will be passed on to the client. We don’t want to have to do it as it’s not the best use of our time but we have to.
https://www.rcvs.org.uk/setting-standards/advice-a...
Simpo Two said:
Butt fleas and ticks aren't microbes, they're insects and arachnids.
Possibly a clumsy attempt to cut down over-prescribing? Insecticides generally aren't very nice.
Yes you are spot on. I think what the RCVS is getting at is that there is potential for the parasites to become resistant by overuse however in small animals we generally prophylactically blanket treat for parasites. Possibly a clumsy attempt to cut down over-prescribing? Insecticides generally aren't very nice.
Edited by Mr Tom on Tuesday 14th May 19:11
Rough101 said:
I’m fine with the annual check up, which we get with jabs etc. less so the fact the Vet will only prescribe or dispense for 3 months worth without having to take the dog back
Every three months makes no sense for flea and wormer unless there was some very obscure circumstances… I would however recommend seeing some animals every three (could be more, could be less) months for a health check if they were on long term meds for a disease (diabetes, thyroid, skin disease etc).
Practices have their own policies around that, nothing stopping you shopping around.
Mr Tom said:
Every three months makes no sense for flea and wormer unless there was some very obscure circumstances…
I would however recommend seeing some animals every three (could be more, could be less) months for a health check if they were on long term meds for a disease (diabetes, thyroid, skin disease etc).
Practices have their own policies around that, nothing stopping you shopping around.
Thank you, that’s helpful, I suspected it was just their policy, as he has no particular issues and isn’t on any routine meds.I would however recommend seeing some animals every three (could be more, could be less) months for a health check if they were on long term meds for a disease (diabetes, thyroid, skin disease etc).
Practices have their own policies around that, nothing stopping you shopping around.
£107 for a check, prescription & 3 months supply of Advocate.
This used to be one of the more reasonably priced vets in the area. Shame as it's convenient too. Time to shop around (which I hate doing, I prefer to trust professionals, once one starts to question them a basic trust has been broken)
This used to be one of the more reasonably priced vets in the area. Shame as it's convenient too. Time to shop around (which I hate doing, I prefer to trust professionals, once one starts to question them a basic trust has been broken)
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