What are your unpopular opinions? (Vol. 2)

What are your unpopular opinions? (Vol. 2)

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Blown2CV

29,073 posts

205 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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DoubleD said:
OldSkoolRS said:
Johnspex said:
nonsequitur said:
Cliftonite said:
Hands-free telephoning by vehicle drivers should be made illegal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49320473
Definitely. Any phone use whilst driving is dangerous. When talking on ANY phone you picture the person on the other end of the call. You may be required to answer questions, calculate figures and other distractions.
All whilst in charge of a vehicle.
Hand held or hands free. Lunacy.
Quite agree.
If they bring this in, I wonder how many people will be stopped for singing along with the radio? It'll look the same from the outside, though I guess you'd be able to prove there wasn't a call happening at the time.

Maybe should ban car radios/CD/MP3 players too? wink
You would need to also ban passengers from talking.
i always thought the vast majority of the distraction with using a phone whilst driving was the physical aspects like holding and looking at the device itself. I don't agree that talking whilst driving has a massive distraction effect. Yes there may be a difference, but i get annoyed when i just hear this constant pressure to force drivers to take all of the slack when it comes to road safety, because of this idea that we should be doing everything and anything to reduce road deaths to complete zero everywhere. No want wants to die, but there is risk attached to everything and you have to pick the balance you are comfortable with. People need to get around. People need to interact with other people who are not right beside them.

An even stupider branch of the 'war on motorists' is the speed limit brigade. Why not make it 10mph everywhere. fk it, 5mph. Some dhead on my village's local facebook group said someone hit his cat because they were speeding in a car, and it was hurt. When pressed not only had he not seen the car, but he had no evidence they were speeding whatsoever. He just assumed. I hate cats but even that aside, what a fking tt. Maybe consider that owning a cat comes with risk, and they don't really fking understand the highway code...and they dart around like unpredictable rapid little bds too.

I have an unpopular opinion to round it off with. If I hit a cat with my car, I'm not stopping.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

110 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Blown2CV said:
I have an unpopular opinion to round it off with. If I hit a cat with my car, I'm not stopping.
Would you stop if you hit a dog?

Blown2CV

29,073 posts

205 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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DoubleD said:
Blown2CV said:
I have an unpopular opinion to round it off with. If I hit a cat with my car, I'm not stopping.
Would you stop if you hit a dog?
on the basis that there would probably be damage to my car that I would want to recover the cost for from the owner, yes. In reality cats roam and do their own thing - they are always out and about. Who knows how far away from home they are. Dogs would be far more likely to have their owner nearby, at least someone to engage with. A dog hit by a car is likely to have run off from its owner, or at least somehow been out of their control, in which case the owner is culpable for that. A cat hit by a car is a different matter, regardless of how the owner might feel. I am sure it is natural for them to assume it was the driver's fault, if as is very likely they are nowhere nearby to see witness what actually happened in order to make a fair judgement. So do you speak to the likely upset but likely to be nearby and apologetic dog owner - yes probably. In contrast do you search high and low every house in a 1 mile radius, carrying bleeding cat corpse only to be blamed and screamed at by the likely angry and finger pointy cat owner? Nope.

Flibble

6,477 posts

183 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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You wouldn't check the cats injuries and maybe take it to a vet then? Cold.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

110 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Blown2CV said:
DoubleD said:
Blown2CV said:
I have an unpopular opinion to round it off with. If I hit a cat with my car, I'm not stopping.
Would you stop if you hit a dog?
on the basis that there would probably be damage to my car that I would want to recover the cost for from the owner, yes. In reality cats roam and do their own thing - they are always out and about. Who knows how far away from home they are. Dogs would be far more likely to have their owner nearby, at least someone to engage with. A dog hit by a car is likely to have run off from its owner, or at least somehow been out of their control, in which case the owner is culpable for that. A cat hit by a car is a different matter, regardless of how the owner might feel. I am sure it is natural for them to assume it was the driver's fault, if as is very likely they are nowhere nearby to see witness what actually happened in order to make a fair judgement. So do you speak to the likely upset but likely to be nearby and apologetic dog owner - yes probably. In contrast do you search high and low every house in a 1 mile radius, carrying bleeding cat corpse only to be blamed and screamed at by the likely angry and finger pointy cat owner? Nope.
I get what you are saying, but what makes you think that a dog owner would be apologetic but the cat owner angry?

paulguitar

23,928 posts

115 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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I have a vague memory that you are legally required to stop after hitting a dog, but not a cat. I might be wrong though.



Blown2CV

29,073 posts

205 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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DoubleD said:
Blown2CV said:
DoubleD said:
Blown2CV said:
I have an unpopular opinion to round it off with. If I hit a cat with my car, I'm not stopping.
Would you stop if you hit a dog?
on the basis that there would probably be damage to my car that I would want to recover the cost for from the owner, yes. In reality cats roam and do their own thing - they are always out and about. Who knows how far away from home they are. Dogs would be far more likely to have their owner nearby, at least someone to engage with. A dog hit by a car is likely to have run off from its owner, or at least somehow been out of their control, in which case the owner is culpable for that. A cat hit by a car is a different matter, regardless of how the owner might feel. I am sure it is natural for them to assume it was the driver's fault, if as is very likely they are nowhere nearby to see witness what actually happened in order to make a fair judgement. So do you speak to the likely upset but likely to be nearby and apologetic dog owner - yes probably. In contrast do you search high and low every house in a 1 mile radius, carrying bleeding cat corpse only to be blamed and screamed at by the likely angry and finger pointy cat owner? Nope.
I get what you are saying, but what makes you think that a dog owner would be apologetic but the cat owner angry?
because the mindset of the owner, and what they physically do to take care of their pet is polar opposites. A dog owner would have had to lose control or let go of the dog, because they'd have to be there nearby. It's their job to keep the dog out of traffic, and they'd have failed. I'd imagine given that, the owner would already be feeling like it is their fault, providing the driver wasn't already doing something blatantly wrong, and even then it might be 50/50. Clearly knuckle dragging elevenerifes notwithstanding. Cats aren't chaperoned so if one runs out into the road it isn't really the owner's fault; they are almost certain to not be anywhere nearby, so they won't in their mind have been neglecting their duties as a cat owner if it gets run over. If they didn't see it happen, then i am sure they would assume the driver was at fault, despite the fact that cats are fking insane uncontrollable animals.

Flibble

6,477 posts

183 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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paulguitar said:
I have a vague memory that you are legally required to stop after hitting a dog, but not a cat. I might be wrong though.
Correct. Dogs are property, cats are wild animals.

Blown2CV, I think most dog owners would go mental if you killed their dog, duty of care notwithstanding.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

110 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Blown2CV said:
DoubleD said:
Blown2CV said:
DoubleD said:
Blown2CV said:
I have an unpopular opinion to round it off with. If I hit a cat with my car, I'm not stopping.
Would you stop if you hit a dog?
on the basis that there would probably be damage to my car that I would want to recover the cost for from the owner, yes. In reality cats roam and do their own thing - they are always out and about. Who knows how far away from home they are. Dogs would be far more likely to have their owner nearby, at least someone to engage with. A dog hit by a car is likely to have run off from its owner, or at least somehow been out of their control, in which case the owner is culpable for that. A cat hit by a car is a different matter, regardless of how the owner might feel. I am sure it is natural for them to assume it was the driver's fault, if as is very likely they are nowhere nearby to see witness what actually happened in order to make a fair judgement. So do you speak to the likely upset but likely to be nearby and apologetic dog owner - yes probably. In contrast do you search high and low every house in a 1 mile radius, carrying bleeding cat corpse only to be blamed and screamed at by the likely angry and finger pointy cat owner? Nope.
I get what you are saying, but what makes you think that a dog owner would be apologetic but the cat owner angry?
because the mindset of the owner, and what they physically do to take care of their pet is polar opposites. A dog owner would have had to lose control or let go of the dog, because they'd have to be there nearby. It's their job to keep the dog out of traffic, and they'd have failed. I'd imagine given that, the owner would already be feeling like it is their fault, providing the driver wasn't already doing something blatantly wrong, and even then it might be 50/50. Clearly knuckle dragging elevenerifes notwithstanding. Cats aren't chaperoned so if one runs out into the road it isn't really the owner's fault; they are almost certain to not be anywhere nearby, so they won't in their mind have been neglecting their duties as a cat owner if it gets run over. If they didn't see it happen, then i am sure they would assume the driver was at fault, despite the fact that cats are fking insane uncontrollable animals.
I disagree.

Blown2CV

29,073 posts

205 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Flibble said:
You wouldn't check the cats injuries and maybe take it to a vet then? Cold.
well i did say it was an unpopular opinion.

I just think that if the premise of cats as a pet is that no one controls them, and they come and go with the breeze, that comes with some risk to the cat and therefore the owner. Why should a driver then run around investing effort to primarily - let's face it - make themselves feel better, when cats are meant to be these semi-wild, independent animals with primal tendencies... roads are dangerous places for animals. They guy in the FB story lives on a main road too.

OldSkoolRS

6,764 posts

181 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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DoubleD said:
Blown2CV said:
I have an unpopular opinion to round it off with. If I hit a cat with my car, I'm not stopping.
Would you stop if you hit a dog?
I would, but only if it wasn't using a hands free phone though. wink

Flibble

6,477 posts

183 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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I think the reaction of the man to his cat being injured would be similar if it were a dog. He'd assume the car driver was in the wrong regardless of evidence to the contrary. People are illogical like that.

Cold

15,268 posts

92 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Flibble said:
You wouldn't check the cats injuries and maybe take it to a vet then? Cold.
Wot?

bigpriest

1,620 posts

132 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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Blown2CV said:
well i did say it was an unpopular opinion.

I just think that if the premise of cats as a pet is that no one controls them, and they come and go with the breeze, that comes with some risk to the cat and therefore the owner. Why should a driver then run around investing effort to primarily - let's face it - make themselves feel better, when cats are meant to be these semi-wild, independent animals with primal tendencies... roads are dangerous places for animals. They guy in the FB story lives on a main road too.
Are you actually familiar with pet cats? I ask because your views on them seem a bit clichéd. There are many cats that are indeed pets (not wild animals) and they live as pets and can be controlled to an extent like dogs. Also, if the cat had a collar and name tag would you still not bother? No probs with your opinion, seems a bit strange treating cats so differently.

lord trumpton

7,486 posts

128 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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Blown2CV said:
Shakermaker said:
Center Parcs is not that bad.

It isn't that cheap, sure, but, if you go out of school holidays, you can avoid the type of people you don't want to see there who can only go during the school holidays, and enjoy the relative tranquility and reasonably priced accommodation. Even if you just use the pool area (included in the price) you don't have to shell out for all the other activities.
not been for years but booked in with the wife, kids and (gasp) my own parents too, all in the same house, in september. Keeping open minded but after getting railroaded into an all inclusive this summer (another thing i have avoided for more than a decade) I don't have high expectations.
We go the CP the whinfell forest place up in Cumbrai.

We go during term time (one of my boys is disabled so its quieter and easier to get an adapted lodge) and its great.

No riff raff - just decent like minded folk.

No fat families with noisey rampant kids. Lovely.

sc0tt

18,057 posts

203 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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London is a great place.

All I hear on here is how it is smelly, cramped and awful. Granted I live just outside of it but I work in the city and think that all it has to offer is great.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

263 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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Commuter trains aren't expensive despite being overcrowded. They are overcrowded despite being expensive, or expensive because they are overcrowded.

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

102 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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Flibble said:
I think the reaction of the man to his cat being injured would be similar if it were a dog. He'd assume the car driver was in the wrong regardless of evidence to the contrary. People are illogical like that.
Nah

One of our cats got run over last year and died, but this was the cat who didn't usually "roam" unlike her brother, so was probably not familiar with the comings and goings of the traffic. It was sad, but it wasn't the fault of the driver

I recall hitting a cat when I had not long passed my test, stopped to see if it was OK and the bugger had shot off.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,640 posts

152 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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Blown2CV said:
i always thought the vast majority of the distraction with using a phone whilst driving was the physical aspects like holding and looking at the device itself. I don't agree that talking whilst driving has a massive distraction effect.
Interesting. Are you going to publish your detailed research on the matter, to counteract the very detailed and independent research that goes against what you are saying?

After all, I'm sure you're not disagreeing with years of actual scientific studies based on your hunch. because that would be a bit foolish.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

110 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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Shakermaker said:
Flibble said:
I think the reaction of the man to his cat being injured would be similar if it were a dog. He'd assume the car driver was in the wrong regardless of evidence to the contrary. People are illogical like that.
Nah

One of our cats got run over last year and died, but this was the cat who didn't usually "roam" unlike her brother, so was probably not familiar with the comings and goings of the traffic. It was sad, but it wasn't the fault of the driver

I recall hitting a cat when I had not long passed my test, stopped to see if it was OK and the bugger had shot off.
What this proves is what we already know, that different people react in different ways and that the animal type wont change someones natural reaction. To say that all cat or dog owners will react in the same way is rather daft.