Christian Horner

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DonkeyApple

55,887 posts

171 months

Wednesday 1st May
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TheDeuce said:
And the £10m a year they pay him because they no longer need him scratchchin
It's not all due to needing him. A proportion will be so that others don't have him. smile

Technically, a company may not actually need an individual as it can use other resources but the real advantage lies in that person not sitting elsewhere. AN's payment will be split somewhere in that regard.

Just like any payment should he turn up elsewhere will be.

Either way, I don't think he will have much of an issue extracting himself from RB and arguably on his terms. If his behaviour within RB hasn't given rise to them having any ammunition then all the shenanigans elsewhere pretty much make it a cake walk. It's only going to be a protracted negotiation if AN has been complicit in any negative behaviour or corporate actions.

There's also Wife v3.0 in the mix. No stranger to opening her mouth on important matters. RB will be keen to know the likelihood of her speaking. As might AN if his foreign office actions don't align with home office records. biggrin

I think that if AN is clean and didn't partake in any shenanigans then negotiations will be quick and simple given how others in RB have been behaving at the party and rules interpretation department.

TheDeuce

22,275 posts

68 months

Wednesday 1st May
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suffolk009 said:
TheDeuce said:
There's actually no threat to RBR as a team, they'll definitely survive, but without Newey they'll eventually most likely lose a step and the divide at the top and subsequent frustration of the the verstappens hasn't fully played out yet and is likely to cause more damage.

Cocking up the new regs PU would be the turd on the birthday cake, but even if they do a good job, it's an aero era now and post 26', they're still not going to remain the dream team we have seen in recent years.

The team should be on top of the world right now, but it's all looking pretty sour behind the scenes.
I cannot imagine that the Verstappens will stay at Red Bull past 2026. By the end of the decade RB (if they are still around) will be a midfield team.
I think the team will definitely still be there, come what may. The marketing power of F1 has been massive for them, even with this obvious recent PR blot. It's more likely Horner will leave than the team be sold imo.

But it is likely some other notable people will leave in the next year or so, the situation behind closed doors is obviously not at all healthy for the team - no matter how many times Horner insists it's business as usual rolleyes


Forester1965

1,852 posts

5 months

Wednesday 1st May
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RB should sell the team to Horner.

Sandpit Steve

10,329 posts

76 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Forester1965 said:
RB should sell the team to Horner.
Who’s going to lend him the high nine or even ten figure sum required?

Forester1965

1,852 posts

5 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Plenty will. Horner has an impeccable track record, the team is profitable and the asset value has been increasing significantly. They will make their own engines and therefore not reliant on 3rd parties. He's about the most investible person in the sport.

DonkeyApple

55,887 posts

171 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Sandpit Steve said:
Forester1965 said:
RB should sell the team to Horner.
Who’s going to lend him the high nine or even ten figure sum required?
Leslie, two doors down? Or just go into the VC market like everyone else and do a deal. How much of his own money do you think Stroll actually put up? And how many multiples came back out the next week? Or Dave Richards? Anything from him or just a big slug of dumb money from the ME that went in and then mostly went straight back out.

There'll be money out there that isn't going to trouble itself over an image that may perturb some Western palettes. The ME was always the go to destination for thicko cash from people that had no concept of faux Western sensibilities and today you have the entire BRIC empire awash with vast amounts of cash from flogging tat to dim witted Western credit monkeys the size of which an Austrian caravan beverage vendor could only dream of. For every dollar that wants to pay away to look like it cares more about the planet to punters while stripping it, there are ten times as many who want to buy i to an image that's little less murdery, money laundery and all in just a little less douchebag.

And if the bulk of the value of the team to RB was in promoting a less douchebag image to entice more people to buy their tasty beverage then potentially most of that marketing and image premium may have been eroded if the type of people who drink red bull are also the type of people to find it disgraceful for the boss and the pa to have been playing at away games.

Who knows but whatever the deal there will always be a pool of money scummy enough to offer terms. biggrin

Forester1965

1,852 posts

5 months

Wednesday 1st May
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For tits and giggles Horner could buy the team, cover it in Ford logos for a couple of years and flog it to them pocketing his beach money in the process. Nobody's ever done that to Ford before. Ahem.

suffolk009

5,497 posts

167 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Forester1965 said:
Plenty will. Horner has an impeccable track record, the team is profitable and the asset value has been increasing significantly. They will make their own engines and therefore not reliant on 3rd parties. He's about the most investible person in the sport.
You'd need a spare $2.6bn (valuation courtesy of Google) to buy Red Bull Racing. You're likely to be a very canny and successful businessperson to have acquired that much spare cash. It seems unlikely that you'd spend it on a team that has just lost it's chief technical officer, is rumoured to be about to lose it's star driver, is likely to have many other senior members of staff looking elsewhere and has a CEO who may well soon be incourt defending charges of inappropriate workplace behaviour in the near future.

So if you wanted to invest in an F1 team, Horner would be about the last person you'd currently look to invest in. Teams success comes and goes, we are currently seeing RB at the top on track, but falling apart within. Their future projectory is - inevitably - to slide down the grid.

HighwayStar

4,356 posts

146 months

Wednesday 1st May
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shirt said:
spaximus said:
I do wonder if many of those who hate Horner do so because of who he is married to as well as she was the most unpopular of the Spice Girls because she was outspoken, who knows.
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Yep… nobody cares about who he’s married to. Definitely a case of too much thinking going on there.

Wills2

23,144 posts

177 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Sandpit Steve said:
Forester1965 said:
RB should sell the team to Horner.
Who’s going to lend him the high nine or even ten figure sum required?
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732NM

4,849 posts

17 months

Wednesday 1st May
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The small issue of the Austrians not selling and wanting CH gone, has not gone away.

DonkeyApple

55,887 posts

171 months

Wednesday 1st May
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HighwayStar said:
shirt said:
spaximus said:
I do wonder if many of those who hate Horner do so because of who he is married to as well as she was the most unpopular of the Spice Girls because she was outspoken, who knows.
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Yep… nobody cares about who he’s married to. Definitely a case of too much thinking going on there.
'People' do care though. Tabloids aren't stupid so don't bang on about who his wife is for no reason. smile

TheDeuce

22,275 posts

68 months

Wednesday 1st May
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732NM said:
The small issue of the Austrians not selling and wanting CH gone, has not gone away.
Indeed. F1 marketing clearly works very well for RB and there is no reason they should want to sell the team to anyone. Keeping the team as an asset that provides endless effective marketing for the RB brand, regardless of who runs it or how well it performs, is probably one of the few things both sides of RB ownership can agree on.

The thing they can't agree on is Horner, apparently. However that is resolved, I don't see either side thinking that selling the team is a good idea. If Horner's antics do prove to have a negative effect on the brand, they'll boot him and replace him with someone new and exciting and without the baggage. He has been effective and it would be a shame to lose him in that regard, but even if the teams sporting performance is weakened as a result, as a marketing tool the team would still make sense.

Sandpit Steve

10,329 posts

76 months

Wednesday 1st May
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DonkeyApple said:
'People' do care though. Tabloids aren't stupid so don't bang on about who his wife is for no reason. smile
Perhaps if he’d stuck to banging only his wife, the team wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place?

DonkeyApple

55,887 posts

171 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Sandpit Steve said:
DonkeyApple said:
'People' do care though. Tabloids aren't stupid so don't bang on about who his wife is for no reason. smile
Perhaps if he’d stuck to banging only his wife, the team wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place?
Or just hiring in third party expertise for away games like other execs and leaving the PA to arrange the fixtures. Rutting with the office junior is comedically 20th century whether enticed or instigated.

PhilAsia

3,930 posts

77 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Sandpit Steve said:
DonkeyApple said:
'People' do care though. Tabloids aren't stupid so don't bang on about who his wife is for no reason. smile
Perhaps if he’d stuck to banging only his wife, the team wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place?
Maybe she should have been called "Starfish Spice" if she did not satisfy CH?

Sandpit Steve

10,329 posts

76 months

Wednesday 1st May
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DonkeyApple said:
Sandpit Steve said:
DonkeyApple said:
'People' do care though. Tabloids aren't stupid so don't bang on about who his wife is for no reason. smile
Perhaps if he’d stuck to banging only his wife, the team wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place?
Or just hiring in third party expertise for away games like other execs and leaving the PA to arrange the fixtures. Rutting with the office junior is comedically 20th century whether enticed or instigated.
Yes, that’s the right way to go about it, and it’s not as if a GP venue is ever going to be short of professionals in that field when the circus is in town.

DonkeyApple

55,887 posts

171 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Sandpit Steve said:
DonkeyApple said:
Sandpit Steve said:
DonkeyApple said:
'People' do care though. Tabloids aren't stupid so don't bang on about who his wife is for no reason. smile
Perhaps if he’d stuck to banging only his wife, the team wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place?
Or just hiring in third party expertise for away games like other execs and leaving the PA to arrange the fixtures. Rutting with the office junior is comedically 20th century whether enticed or instigated.
Yes, that’s the right way to go about it, and it’s not as if a GP venue is ever going to be short of professionals in that field when the circus is in town.
Indeed. And even a nerd had time to learn how it's done from Flávio et al. It's not as if 25 years in the international paddock didn't present the opportunity for even the most useless of blokes to garner the basics from their peers. biggrin

It's not exactly rocket science to buy a boat and allocate quarters to a temporary head of entertainment or mast consultant.

Muzzer79

10,186 posts

189 months

Wednesday 1st May
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suffolk009 said:
Forester1965 said:
Plenty will. Horner has an impeccable track record, the team is profitable and the asset value has been increasing significantly. They will make their own engines and therefore not reliant on 3rd parties. He's about the most investible person in the sport.
You'd need a spare $2.6bn (valuation courtesy of Google) to buy Red Bull Racing. You're likely to be a very canny and successful businessperson to have acquired that much spare cash. It seems unlikely that you'd spend it on a team that has just lost it's chief technical officer, is rumoured to be about to lose it's star driver, is likely to have many other senior members of staff looking elsewhere and has a CEO who may well soon be incourt defending charges of inappropriate workplace behaviour in the near future.

So if you wanted to invest in an F1 team, Horner would be about the last person you'd currently look to invest in. Teams success comes and goes, we are currently seeing RB at the top on track, but falling apart within. Their future projectory is - inevitably - to slide down the grid.
It's unlikely that an individual investor will stump up $2.6bn but there are plenty of consortiums/investment funds that would.

For the Middle-Eastern oil funds, that's chump change.

Red Bull's trajectory is not inevitable and I think "falling apart" is a bit strong.

I would question the continuation of someone with so much baggage as Horner but the rest of the team has high value.


Deesee

8,495 posts

85 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Newey has resigned... leaves for 2025.