Terrifying driving countries and experiences

Terrifying driving countries and experiences

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Salamura

533 posts

83 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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Pericoloso said:
Italy.
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Italy is fine. In fact, I find that Italian drivers are more disciplined than British ones, at least on motorways. I've driven several times across the country, it's a breeze.

A drive from Shanghai to Wuxi was by far the most terrifying experience in my life. The mad local cab drivers, lorries driving on the wrong side, bicycles and mopeds on the motorway, a truck losing it's wheel in front of us (!)... Just mad.

The next most terrifying drive was more of a circumstantial thing. 2 in the morning on a French b-road, gazillion lorries everywhere trying to avoid the paid autoroutes, torrential rain, and we're driving a Wartburg 353 with 1 headlight, barely functioning wipers, broken fuel gauge, and no brakes. And worst of all, all my mates in the car were asleep...

Ikemi

8,449 posts

207 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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Italy isn't too bad, until you get into the centre of a large city. Florence is a nightmare; I'd choose London on a busy weekday over Florence.

However my scariest moment was driving up an alpine pass - somewhere around the Italian/Swiss border - whereby the road was just wide enough for one car. To the right was an unprotected drop of so many hundreds of metres, and to the left was cliff face. You hoped that if you were to meet someone coming the other way, it happened either on a bend (where there was more space), or whilst you were driving with the cliff face to your right!

Most other alpine passes had varying degrees of barriers/stones/fencing to protect(?) drivers. However I wouldn't do whatever pass that was again ...

nikaiyo2

4,790 posts

197 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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WolfAir said:
Haha.. Pakistan is the same...but i absolutely love driving there. The roads Themselves are pretty decent if only 2 lane motorway in tbe entire country. The Grand Trunk or GT road.. Love the undertaking overtaking crazy speeds.. Absolutely no lighting in the night haha great times. Would love to dribe on some of the roads you guys have.
Stay safe
i would love to go to Pakistan, it looks the most amazing country.

rob0r

420 posts

172 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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Saudi Arabia, Riyadh... What an eye opener!! 3 lane traffic lights, there will be 5-6 columns of cars wedged waiting for the lights. Near misses everywhere. Unbelievable standards of driving. The place where I was working had all the glass blown out of it due to a petrol tanker explosion which also took out the bridge it was on and killed a fair amount of people, a few weeks before my arrival.

I was driven by the company I was working for but it was baaaaad.

Italian motorways are pretty interesting, with drivers trying to force their way through two lanes of traffic down the middle, this was quite common as I drove down to Tuscany. But nothing on Saudi. Apart from that I thought Italy was pretty good.

On the same trip as Tuscany, after being spoilt with French and German motorways, it was pretty depressing getting off the Ferry and driving in Britain again. Over crowded, getting cut up, traffic jams etc.

Puggit

48,531 posts

250 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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jmorgan said:
Arc d Triumph was interesting. No rules, just go. Been a good few years though and I was in the works van so no worries.
One rule on the Etoile - priorite a droite. So if you're on the roundabout you have to let others join. Nuts. silly

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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I always find Italy to be a relaxing drive smile However we do live in Poland where the drivers are abysmal. Italians seem to be a little bit careless but the average Polish driver has no idea that he in actually in a motor vehicle let alone driving one. If they somehow do realise they are driving a car they believe that somehow this makes them totally invincible and they spend the rest of their driving career driving like a 17 year old boy who has just passed his test.

Overtaking into oncoming traffic. mounting kerbs because the traffic is too heavy. Changing lanes by yanking the steering wheel from one side to the other with no indication. In built up areas they have to drive flat out everywhere. On motorways they have to crawl along at 100 KPH blocking the outside lane. Stopping on the slip-road before joining the main carriageway is common practice as opposed to matching the speed of the vehicles already on there.

On normal roads when in a queue of cars behind a truck tailgating is rife. Getting as close to the vehicle in front is a way of proving that you are a real man. The fact that your 20 year old Passat TDI that has been rebuilt several times from previous crashes can't muster up the power required to pass the queue of traffic and the truck means you are just forced to tailgate and hopefully you will convince the traffic to move faster. The scary thing is that if they crash and survive they believe that they are even more invincible. (most normal people in the UK would take this as a warning)

You should always remember that they never do anything wrong at all and its always someone else's fault and they are all simply the best drivers in the world. Avoid driving in Poland smile

Here is this weeks dashcam compilation (haven't watched it yet but it highlights the idiocy of the typical driver)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEnWcaI3JHo

The only country i've driven in where the drivers are worse is Bulgaria. Serbia was relaxing, Macedonia is fine, Greeks are similar to italians. (they don't really care about driving enough)

Stove454

36 posts

75 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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Saudi Arabia - lived there for 3 years...no idea how I didn't die on the roads.

American sized cars (90s Crown victorias, chevy caprices, suburbans, tahoes, etc)
No one wears seatbelts
Babies are placed on the dashboard or rear shelf
No car seats
Lanes are a suggestion, 3 lanes becomes 5-6
In the city it's not so terrible other than no lane usage.

Once outside of the city though, the two lane divided highways are made into 4+ lanes, including the shoulders. Right hand lanes are trucks doing about 40mph, speed limit is 60? with 0 enforcement. Left lanes you need to be doing over 75-80mph and if someone wants to pass, they will get up about 2 feet from your bumper, flash their high beams until you move over and basically herd you to the side enough so they can squeeze by on the shoulder - which keep in mind is made of sand. Visualize what happens when 2 wheels are on pavement and 2 wheels hit sand at 80mph....

I've been to India, Italy, Thailand, etc - they are hectic and crazy, dangerous, but the difference was the speed in Saudi. Instead of mopeds and scooters doing 30mph recklessly and lots of honking, everything is happening at 70+ in much larger vehicles. Because of that the accidents were far worse.

Sad to say but in 3 years I saw easily over 100 dead bodies on the roads. Horrific accidents you couldn't imagine. Cars split in half...blood on the pavement ....and the other part? They don't really ever get around to cleaning up the cars, so the sides of the road are littered with destroyed vehicles.

techguyone

3,137 posts

144 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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wonder if the tales match up to the countries shown here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...

Pintofbest

806 posts

112 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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designforlife said:
China, shanghai specifically...utterly appalling driving everywhere you look, all the time.

i was there a week (a week too long, it's a sh*t place), and saw maybe a dozen crashes or their immediate aftermath.

people basically do whatever they want on the road, with no consideration to other drivers or the environment...the standard of driving is horrendous.
I find India a lot worse than Shanghai and have never seen a crash there, driving standards are shocking though. However a few weeks ago I was there and the person driving just stopped on a 4 line highway, when I asked her what she was doing she replied 'Waiting for George to catch up'!!!

Mastodon2

13,845 posts

167 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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thainy77 said:
Anywhere in Egypt is pretty bad but in particular the road from Cairo to Alexandria, the amount of accidents i have seen on that stretch is unreal. One that stands out is a minibus full of women and kids which rolled with bodies flung everywhere!

They are complete muppets on the road, turning lights off at night to save the battery etc.

Driving around Basra was also pretty bad for obvious reasons.
Egypt wins it for me. Thankfully my client assigned me a driver. I remember a trip from Nasr to Cairo, seeing an ambulance with his blue lights on, reversing against traffic on the motorway because he'd missed his exit. It made me glad it wasn't me in the back, as someone ploughing into the back of that old van at 80mph + would have been horrific.

I've been to places in Asia that didn't feel as dangerous as they were so busy that the traffic speed was comparatively low. On the highways of Egypt they've got space to get some real speed up. The state of the roads and the knackered cars is ridiculous. Nothing in Europe comes even remotely close.

cbmotorsport

3,065 posts

120 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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+1 for Vietnam and Thailand.

The general rule of thumb is to just manoeuvre as you see fit, providing you've made your intentions clear, it's everyone elses responsibility not to hit you, even if you're totally cutting them up, turning left or right from completely the wrong lane, or just joining a major carriageway from a side street without looking.

Particularly in Vietnam, the horn is used to warn others of your impending bad manoeuvre, and it is pointless to sound it in anger, not that there is much of that.

Traffic flows because people know it's best not to stop, and to continue moving at all times, allowing people to aim for where you used to be on the road.

I rode a big bike in Northern Thailand, and outside the cities it was a breeze. Inside the cities, I couldn't wait to get off the thing, mentally draining.

RussH91

363 posts

162 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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Pericoloso said:
Italy.
No more detail required.
I thouroghly enjoyed driving around Rome, once I adopted to their driving 'style'. Helped that we were in a £300 car, that we also scraped in Rome.


jmorgan

36,010 posts

286 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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Puggit said:
jmorgan said:
Arc d Triumph was interesting. No rules, just go. Been a good few years though and I was in the works van so no worries.
One rule on the Etoile - priorite a droite. So if you're on the roundabout you have to let others join. Nuts. silly
No one told me that, so I just cracked on and a big van with a logo sort of says aint my insurance.......... silly

No dents, win win. And the Franchies got to test their horns. Think I was in a german plated van as well?

Not sure what traffic plod was around then.

captain_cynic

12,279 posts

97 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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Scariest place I've personally driven in... Dominican Republic. Potholes that could swallow a Land Rover so people regularly drove on the wrong side of the road, no adherence to traffic signs or lights. As far as I could figure out, everyone had right of way.

I'm sure there are worse places... but not by much.

Likes Fast Cars

2,780 posts

167 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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Nigeria - especially Lagos.Maniacs.

Turkey isn't far behind.

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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Shenzhen, China - saw my first dead body next to an overturned taxi within 15 minutes of arriving, and then saw accidents on every single journey afterwards.
The driving is st, the traffic is st and the city's a st-hole. Going back there next week.

nikaiyo2

4,790 posts

197 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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techguyone said:
wonder if the tales match up to the countries shown here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...
WOW the UK has the joint 3rd lowest death rate in the world, behind Federated States of Micronesia and Switzerland, you would have thought that would be quite widely publicized/ celebrated.

Gad-Westy

14,671 posts

215 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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nikaiyo2 said:
techguyone said:
wonder if the tales match up to the countries shown here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...
WOW the UK has the joint 3rd lowest death rate in the world, behind Federated States of Micronesia and Switzerland, you would have thought that would be quite widely publicized/ celebrated.
It's reasonably well known I think. It's why you'll see a lot of posters metaphorically roll their eyes a bit on PH when people moan about driving standards in the UK. We might be crap but we're not as crap as almost everywhere else and are really good at not dying.

Edited by Gad-Westy on Thursday 5th April 13:22

Kateg28

1,353 posts

165 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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I have driven in most parts of Italy many times, sometimes in a local car, sometimes in a UK car, and over the Alpine passes. No problems at all except in Naples which is always done with fear. Their ability to ignore roundabouts or any road signals is astounding. Once down in the rural part of Campania, peace reigns again.

I would not drive in Mumbai. Every time I go I daren't even look at the traffic from the back of the taxis.

In the Summer I am off to Sicily and doing the Targa Florio and it should be fun!

Geekman

2,870 posts

148 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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I live in Mexico: driving standards vary a fair bit according to state, but the city I live in has more accidents than any other area of Mexico.

I can't remember the last time I went for a drive of any length and didn't see an accident. There's a fairly deadly combination of people driving ancient Tsurus / Beetles at 20MPH on highways with no lights, and others in Cayennes / Navigators flying along at 100MPH+ - I've seen cars utterly flattened, with one glance telling you there'd be no survivors. There's also no MOT here, and most cars are in such poor condition that they'd never pass a UK one without serious work. Many are also cut and shuts.

Add to that the lorries, most over 20-30 years old which have bald tyres and no speed limiter fitted, plus the various pedestrians / cyclists that wander around unlit motorways, then the fact that everyone I know will drive home even after a properly heavy session, and it's basically a recipe for disaster.

Strangely though, I love it, and far prefer driving here to driving in the UK. It's great being able to drive however you want to without worrying about a speed camera flashing you, or some sad bd with a dash cam handing footage of your "infraction" to the police.