EV with real 300+ mile range?
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SWoll said:
Other than being 10-20% over budget for a single high mileage example? Most are priced at £55-60k for early cars.
Well within budget and more likely to manage the task than a Model 3 LR.
That EQS for £50k has a price of £32k on WBAC. There will be considerable wiggle room at a MB dealer to get the price down from the advertised £50k given they are not popular cars, new or used. Well within budget and more likely to manage the task than a Model 3 LR.
Tesla Model 3LR is really a 250mi "comfortable" range in the depths of winter. I went from 100% and arrived home with 5% on a return trip of 254miles back in February when it was sub-10°C out.
This is driving it like a regular car, so generally doing an indicated 76mph with the occasional blip up to higher speeds when the mood or circumstance suits. This still works out at around 3.6mi per kWh. You get more than 4 when the temperature improves to 20°C+.
I'm sure that if I hyper-miled it or drove more sedately then I could eek out more, but it's not worth it, got places to be. The peace of mind that I'll make it home is fine by me.
This is driving it like a regular car, so generally doing an indicated 76mph with the occasional blip up to higher speeds when the mood or circumstance suits. This still works out at around 3.6mi per kWh. You get more than 4 when the temperature improves to 20°C+.
I'm sure that if I hyper-miled it or drove more sedately then I could eek out more, but it's not worth it, got places to be. The peace of mind that I'll make it home is fine by me.
I do most of my motorway trips at GPS 75-85mph. Looks like the life of an EV driver on the motorway is being stuck fighting with hgvs in lane 1 or turning off climate control just to make it to the destination without stopping.
Many have said "it's just a 10-20 minute stop" but the truth is there's just too many variables. E.g. you're on your way to an important meeting and your "20 minute" stop turns into an hour+ due to queues or faulty machines. If recharging was always as straightforward as you claim it to be then the term "range anxiety" would be obsolete by now.
It's also funny how people always post the peak charging speeds quoted by manufacturers, when most rapid chargers never deliver that charging rate in practice
Many have said "it's just a 10-20 minute stop" but the truth is there's just too many variables. E.g. you're on your way to an important meeting and your "20 minute" stop turns into an hour+ due to queues or faulty machines. If recharging was always as straightforward as you claim it to be then the term "range anxiety" would be obsolete by now.
It's also funny how people always post the peak charging speeds quoted by manufacturers, when most rapid chargers never deliver that charging rate in practice
PinkHouse said:
I do most of my motorway trips at GPS 75-85mph. Looks like the life of an EV driver on the motorway is being stuck fighting with hgvs in lane 1 or turning off climate control just to make it to the destination without stopping.
Many have said "it's just a 10-20 minute stop" but the truth is there's just too many variables. E.g. you're on your way to an important meeting and your "20 minute" stop turns into an hour+ due to queues or faulty machines. If recharging was always as straightforward as you claim it to be then the term "range anxiety" would be obsolete by now.
It's also funny how people always post the peak charging speeds quoted by manufacturers, when most rapid chargers never deliver that charging rate in practice
I don't see any of the hundreds of EV drivers in these forums talking about driving in the slow lane or turning their AC off. That's a thing that seems to get mentioned endlessly by the press and none EV drivers.Many have said "it's just a 10-20 minute stop" but the truth is there's just too many variables. E.g. you're on your way to an important meeting and your "20 minute" stop turns into an hour+ due to queues or faulty machines. If recharging was always as straightforward as you claim it to be then the term "range anxiety" would be obsolete by now.
It's also funny how people always post the peak charging speeds quoted by manufacturers, when most rapid chargers never deliver that charging rate in practice
I think range anxiety is actually more or less obselete for EV drivers too, the public charger network is very good now. Again, it's a fear kept very healthily alive by the press and none EV drivers! I'm convinced most people that worry about EV range actually don't have one...
TheDeuce said:
I don't see any of the hundreds of EV drivers in these forums talking about driving in the slow lane or turning their AC off. That's a thing that seems to get mentioned endlessly by the press and none EV drivers.
I think range anxiety is actually more or less obselete for EV drivers too, the public charger network is very good now. Again, it's a fear kept very healthily alive by the press and none EV drivers! I'm convinced most people that worry about EV range actually don't have one...
Yeah, it's such a load of bI think range anxiety is actually more or less obselete for EV drivers too, the public charger network is very good now. Again, it's a fear kept very healthily alive by the press and none EV drivers! I'm convinced most people that worry about EV range actually don't have one...
ks. I've taken my EV to the alps on multiple trips and it's a pleasure to drive long distances. Once you have a reliable 250+ mile range, and a decent charging network, range anxiety becomes a non-issue.PinkHouse said:
I do most of my motorway trips at GPS 75-85mph. Looks like the life of an EV driver on the motorway is being stuck fighting with hgvs in lane 1 or turning off climate control just to make it to the destination without stopping.
Many have said "it's just a 10-20 minute stop" but the truth is there's just too many variables. E.g. you're on your way to an important meeting and your "20 minute" stop turns into an hour+ due to queues or faulty machines. If recharging was always as straightforward as you claim it to be then the term "range anxiety" would be obsolete by now.
It's also funny how people always post the peak charging speeds quoted by manufacturers, when most rapid chargers never deliver that charging rate in practice
I drive my EV within the motorway speed limit and move back into lane 1 after passing slower vehicles. Many have said "it's just a 10-20 minute stop" but the truth is there's just too many variables. E.g. you're on your way to an important meeting and your "20 minute" stop turns into an hour+ due to queues or faulty machines. If recharging was always as straightforward as you claim it to be then the term "range anxiety" would be obsolete by now.
It's also funny how people always post the peak charging speeds quoted by manufacturers, when most rapid chargers never deliver that charging rate in practice
After a few software updates, I now get close to max quoted charging speed when I use a rapid charger on long trips.
Sounds like you need to look beyond your own anecdotal experiences for a full range of perspectives.
Great to see all the anecdotes about range anxiety apparently disappearing, you've either got to be living in a bubble or choosing to ignore the reality to claim that. So there aren't regular cases of chargers being offline or delays caused by waiting to charge at busy periods? I'm not denying the system works well for a select few but even then it's inconsistent at best and requires troubleshooting and extra steps compared to the average journey with alternative fuel types.
I think it's even more apt given the topic of this thread is focused on range. It's absolutely the most important consideration and greatest hinderance for EV mass adoption to date. Every single EV manufacturer knows it, if they didn't believe it was so important then they wouldn't have to lie and overstate the claimed range in many cases by up to 200%
I think it's even more apt given the topic of this thread is focused on range. It's absolutely the most important consideration and greatest hinderance for EV mass adoption to date. Every single EV manufacturer knows it, if they didn't believe it was so important then they wouldn't have to lie and overstate the claimed range in many cases by up to 200%
PinkHouse said:
Great to see all the anecdotes about range anxiety apparently disappearing, you've either got to be living in a bubble or choosing to ignore the reality to claim that. So there aren't regular cases of chargers being offline or delays caused by waiting to charge at busy periods? I'm not denying the system works well for a select few but even then it's inconsistent at best and requires troubleshooting and extra steps compared to the average journey with alternative fuel types.
I think it's even more apt given the topic of this thread is focused on range. It's absolutely the most important consideration and greatest hinderance for EV mass adoption to date. Every single EV manufacturer knows it, if they didn't believe it was so important then they wouldn't have to lie and overstate the claimed range in many cases by up to 200%
I've had 2yrs and 52k miles in a Tesla Model 3, including a few trips across EU to Austria.I think it's even more apt given the topic of this thread is focused on range. It's absolutely the most important consideration and greatest hinderance for EV mass adoption to date. Every single EV manufacturer knows it, if they didn't believe it was so important then they wouldn't have to lie and overstate the claimed range in many cases by up to 200%
Despite this I only rarely use chargers away from home, the couple of times a month I do I've never had any offline or even queued.
They don't work for everyone (but then nither do small cars, big cars, 3 dorr cars, etc, but for me they're great.
PinkHouse said:
I do most of my motorway trips at GPS 75-85mph. Looks like the life of an EV driver on the motorway is being stuck fighting with hgvs in lane 1 or turning off climate control just to make it to the destination without stopping.
Many have said "it's just a 10-20 minute stop" but the truth is there's just too many variables. E.g. you're on your way to an important meeting and your "20 minute" stop turns into an hour+ due to queues or faulty machines. If recharging was always as straightforward as you claim it to be then the term "range anxiety" would be obsolete by now.
It's also funny how people always post the peak charging speeds quoted by manufacturers, when most rapid chargers never deliver that charging rate in practice
I've never done any of that. I usually aim for 76-78 GPS to keep me (relatively) safe from plod. Many have said "it's just a 10-20 minute stop" but the truth is there's just too many variables. E.g. you're on your way to an important meeting and your "20 minute" stop turns into an hour+ due to queues or faulty machines. If recharging was always as straightforward as you claim it to be then the term "range anxiety" would be obsolete by now.
It's also funny how people always post the peak charging speeds quoted by manufacturers, when most rapid chargers never deliver that charging rate in practice
65 is the lowest I've gone if I really did need to eek out a bit more.
PinkHouse said:
Great to see all the anecdotes about range anxiety apparently disappearing, you've either got to be living in a bubble or choosing to ignore the reality to claim that. So there aren't regular cases of chargers being offline or delays caused by waiting to charge at busy periods? I'm not denying the system works well for a select few but even then it's inconsistent at best and requires troubleshooting and extra steps compared to the average journey with alternative fuel types.
I think it's even more apt given the topic of this thread is focused on range. It's absolutely the most important consideration and greatest hinderance for EV mass adoption to date. Every single EV manufacturer knows it, if they didn't believe it was so important then they wouldn't have to lie and overstate the claimed range in many cases by up to 200%
The 'select few' are those that struggle with broken chargers or long queues - it's nearly always avoidable.I think it's even more apt given the topic of this thread is focused on range. It's absolutely the most important consideration and greatest hinderance for EV mass adoption to date. Every single EV manufacturer knows it, if they didn't believe it was so important then they wouldn't have to lie and overstate the claimed range in many cases by up to 200%
Any map app and most EV's own nav makes it very clear how many chargers there are and how many are free. If there's 12 chargers at a location and 7 are free, it's a very safe bet at least one will still be free when you arrive..
Same for broken chargers. The maps/apps tell you when the were last used, if it was 34 minutes ago it obviously works. Of it was 2 weeks ago... Guess what?
In a 200+ mile range EV you can't drive anywhere in the UK without passing more than enough rapid chargers even if some are busy. Other than complete bellends heading to major services chargers on Christmas eve I don't see why anyone needs to struggle these days.
Range is not the biggest hinderance in EV adoption, but BS press stories a out range anxiety and a lack of actual education is a hinderance.
Manufacturers don't overstate range, it's not upto them, it's the standardised test, same as ICE. Claiming that in 'many' cases it's overstated by 200% is nonsense.
The good news for you is that you're wrong in pretty much all your statements and assumptions. That's fantastic news given that one day you're likely to end up being an EV driver
(age permitting)raspy said:
SWoll said:
That EQS for £50k has a price of £32k on WBAC. There will be considerable wiggle room at a MB dealer to get the price down from the advertised £50k given they are not popular cars, new or used. WestyCarl said:
PinkHouse said:
Great to see all the anecdotes about range anxiety apparently disappearing, you've either got to be living in a bubble or choosing to ignore the reality to claim that. So there aren't regular cases of chargers being offline or delays caused by waiting to charge at busy periods? I'm not denying the system works well for a select few but even then it's inconsistent at best and requires troubleshooting and extra steps compared to the average journey with alternative fuel types.
I think it's even more apt given the topic of this thread is focused on range. It's absolutely the most important consideration and greatest hinderance for EV mass adoption to date. Every single EV manufacturer knows it, if they didn't believe it was so important then they wouldn't have to lie and overstate the claimed range in many cases by up to 200%
I've had 2yrs and 52k miles in a Tesla Model 3, including a few trips across EU to Austria.I think it's even more apt given the topic of this thread is focused on range. It's absolutely the most important consideration and greatest hinderance for EV mass adoption to date. Every single EV manufacturer knows it, if they didn't believe it was so important then they wouldn't have to lie and overstate the claimed range in many cases by up to 200%
Despite this I only rarely use chargers away from home, the couple of times a month I do I've never had any offline or even queued.
They don't work for everyone (but then nither do small cars, big cars, 3 dorr cars, etc, but for me they're great.
A lot of places have so many chargers now, it's quite mind boggling. Rugby services on the M6 is a good example.
Muzzer79 said:
I thought that Mercedes had now implemented a 'no haggle' policy with all their AUC?
I can only find mention online of a no haggle policy on new Mercedes, nothing about used ones. Given the generally soft residuals of used EVs and the fact that many EQS have been on AT for months if not since last year, I'd expect negotiation to be possible.PinkHouse said:
I do most of my motorway trips at GPS 75-85mph. Looks like the life of an EV driver on the motorway is being stuck fighting with hgvs in lane 1 or turning off climate control just to make it to the destination without stopping.
Many have said "it's just a 10-20 minute stop" but the truth is there's just too many variables. E.g. you're on your way to an important meeting and your "20 minute" stop turns into an hour+ due to queues or faulty machines. If recharging was always as straightforward as you claim it to be then the term "range anxiety" would be obsolete by now.
It's also funny how people always post the peak charging speeds quoted by manufacturers, when most rapid chargers never deliver that charging rate in practice
You claim to know a lot for someone who doesn’t own one. Many have said "it's just a 10-20 minute stop" but the truth is there's just too many variables. E.g. you're on your way to an important meeting and your "20 minute" stop turns into an hour+ due to queues or faulty machines. If recharging was always as straightforward as you claim it to be then the term "range anxiety" would be obsolete by now.
It's also funny how people always post the peak charging speeds quoted by manufacturers, when most rapid chargers never deliver that charging rate in practice
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