Why can't other cars use Tesla's charging network?

Why can't other cars use Tesla's charging network?

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ZesPak

24,446 posts

198 months

Friday 3rd June 2022
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JonChalk said:
Those will be the people preventing take-up of EVs in rural areas.
Public charging is relevant for urbanized areas, not suburbia/rural.

As for the rate, it's about double what a Tesla owner pays, but does seem on par with the competition.

gangzoom

6,372 posts

217 months

Sunday 5th June 2022
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Just got back to home after a week in France, charged at various SC enroute, never saw more than 2-3 other cars charging, even at Hopwood this lunchtime. So how has the 'carnage' been like here in the UK with charing over the long bank-holiday weekend.


Welshbeef

49,633 posts

200 months

Sunday 5th June 2022
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JonChalk said:
Add rip-off Dragon charging to that list 69p/kWh, only 22kW AC and the only public chargers in Pembrokeshire / Ceredigion.

Those will be the people preventing take-up of EVs in rural areas.
Surely that is for tourists

JonChalk

6,469 posts

112 months

Sunday 5th June 2022
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Welshbeef said:
JonChalk said:
Add rip-off Dragon charging to that list 69p/kWh, only 22kW AC and the only public chargers in Pembrokeshire / Ceredigion.

Those will be the people preventing take-up of EVs in rural areas.
Surely that is for tourists
Well, my parents who live there would have to pay the same rate, so how could the charger possibly know if you're a tourist or not ? wink

What a stupid thing to say.

JonChalk

6,469 posts

112 months

Sunday 5th June 2022
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The only public chargers over 7kW in this area, of any sort of connection - and all of them are 22kW AC and all are Dragon or Clenegy, which are the same thing.

(except the Penparc one and that has been broken for 9 months)

The ONLY ones, and all of them are 69p/kWh, so the rest of the country can stop moaning.......

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

200 months

Sunday 5th June 2022
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JonChalk said:
Welshbeef said:
JonChalk said:
Add rip-off Dragon charging to that list 69p/kWh, only 22kW AC and the only public chargers in Pembrokeshire / Ceredigion.

Those will be the people preventing take-up of EVs in rural areas.
Surely that is for tourists
Well, my parents who live there would have to pay the same rate, so how could the charger possibly know if you're a tourist or not ? wink

What a stupid thing to say.
Sorry I meant surely locals would leave home with full charge so not really needed

gangzoom

6,372 posts

217 months

Sunday 5th June 2022
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Welshbeef said:
Sorry I meant surely locals would leave home with full charge so not really needed
I thought this thread was going to be about 'carnage' at Tesla SC sites, not carnage of over priced AC chargers smile.

ZesPak

24,446 posts

198 months

Sunday 5th June 2022
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JonChalk said:
Welshbeef said:
JonChalk said:
Add rip-off Dragon charging to that list 69p/kWh, only 22kW AC and the only public chargers in Pembrokeshire / Ceredigion.

Those will be the people preventing take-up of EVs in rural areas.
Surely that is for tourists
Well, my parents who live there would have to pay the same rate, so how could the charger possibly know if you're a tourist or not ? wink

What a stupid thing to say.
The point is that non-tourists can charge at home. Take-up is going to be hardest
You only need these chargers if you want to exceed your full EV range in one day, something most owners will only do a couple of times/year.
It's city people that NEEDS these chargers to operate their EV, not rural.

Heres Johnny

7,258 posts

126 months

Sunday 5th June 2022
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gangzoom said:
Just got back to home after a week in France, charged at various SC enroute, never saw more than 2-3 other cars charging, even at Hopwood this lunchtime. So how has the 'carnage' been like here in the UK with charing over the long bank-holiday weekend.
A queue of 12 at Tebay today has been reported - thats the queue, another 8 were charging. Thats a dedicated Tesla site so thankfully they've not opened it up, but give it time.

gangzoom

6,372 posts

217 months

Sunday 5th June 2022
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Heres Johnny said:
A queue of 12 at Tebay today has been reported - thats the queue, another 8 were charging. Thats a dedicated Tesla site so thankfully they've not opened it up, but give it time.
That's not new though? Last summer there were similar queues at Tebay- Combination of been a 'nice' service station to stop for lunch and the only real option until you get up to Gretna. The solution is to build more SC, as without expansion and with more Teslas on the road the congestion will simply get worse and worse.

Whats interesting is Gridserve has put in x6 chargers at Kendal, and if they can do the same for sites north and south of Tebay, the congestion will all but disappear as the only reason you would than wait in a queue at Tebay is if you have 'free' SC.

Down south where there are now lots of other charging options, Bristol, Exeter, hopefully soon Oxford, actually am quite optimistic about the future of UK M-way charging. The new Gridserve charging hubs really are fantastic, loads of connector options, even separate 22KW AC points, so enticing I was even tempted to put my hand in my pocket and try one.....Though after £10 I lost my nerve and unplugged...£10 isn't alot, but compared to 'Free' it seems like a fortune smile.

More DC rapid chargers for everyone is what needed, between Tesla, Grideserve, maybe Inonity, actually if the government could guarantee/force/support all M-way services to have 6-12+ DC rapid charger the issue of charging EVs on long trips would be sorted. Pricing will mean people will only use them when they need to, most combustion cars at service stations don't stop to fill up at the crazy prices, and as EV range increases the need to recharge at service will reduce........The exception is ofcourse for S/X owning cheapskates, who will sit there sucking juice at 10KW at 95% SOC just because its 'free'!

Tesla really shouldn't be allowed to install/activate any more SC site unless they are open to all EVs, its pure madness to allow Tesla to only serve one group of EV owners when Gridserve is doing such a better job. If the government is serious about EV uptake they also need to make Tesla install longer charging cables at existing sites, they retrofitted CCS cables to V2 stalls pretty quickly so its not beyond their resource or skills.






Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 5th June 21:41

Mikehig

756 posts

63 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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I've just stumbled across this article about Audi setting up its own "luxury" charging stations:
https://uk.motor1.com/news/556281/audi-opens-first...

It will be interesting to see if it takes off in light of Tesla opening up their chargers and whether it stays exclusive to Audi.

SWoll

18,639 posts

260 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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Mikehig said:
I've just stumbled across this article about Audi setting up its own "luxury" charging stations:
https://uk.motor1.com/news/556281/audi-opens-first...

It will be interesting to see if it takes off in light of Tesla opening up their chargers and whether it stays exclusive to Audi.
It's not exclusive to Audi, as the article you posted states.

article said:
The hub is also accessible for drivers of cars of other makes as long as the reservation is made through the myAudi app.

Mikehig

756 posts

63 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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SWoll said:
Mikehig said:
I've just stumbled across this article about Audi setting up its own "luxury" charging stations:
https://uk.motor1.com/news/556281/audi-opens-first...

It will be interesting to see if it takes off in light of Tesla opening up their chargers and whether it stays exclusive to Audi.
It's not exclusive to Audi, as the article you posted states.

article said:
The hub is also accessible for drivers of cars of other makes as long as the reservation is made through the myAudi app.
Well spotted! I should have read it more carefully before posting.

vikingaero

10,520 posts

171 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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Mikehig said:
SWoll said:
Mikehig said:
I've just stumbled across this article about Audi setting up its own "luxury" charging stations:
https://uk.motor1.com/news/556281/audi-opens-first...

It will be interesting to see if it takes off in light of Tesla opening up their chargers and whether it stays exclusive to Audi.
It's not exclusive to Audi, as the article you posted states.

article said:
The hub is also accessible for drivers of cars of other makes as long as the reservation is made through the myAudi app.
Well spotted! I should have read it more carefully before posting.
Reservations for charging?! Much like booking a table at a restaurant i suppose. What happens if you're late? Will people make multiple reservation "just in case"? We're in a new era of electric angst!

DMZ

1,413 posts

162 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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Just what’s needed, more faffing about with apps [while driving]. It would be neat if the car could handle it automatically as part of the routing and automatically adjust the booking as needed.

ZesPak

24,446 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th June 2022
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DMZ said:
Just what’s needed, more faffing about with apps [while driving]. It would be neat if the car could handle it automatically as part of the routing and automatically adjust the booking as needed.
Well... it does. You just need to get a Tesla then.

WestyCarl

3,293 posts

127 months

Friday 17th June 2022
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Charged at Banbury this morning and noticed that thay had rotated 3 (of the 12) stalls parallel to the bays and at the side of the bay (sorry no pic) to allow better reach for front wing charging.

ajprice

27,752 posts

198 months

Friday 3rd March 2023
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American superchargers are starting to open up to non Tesla cars. I don't know whether they are all like this with the charge points between the bays and a short cable because all Tesla's plug in to the same place on the car so reverse into the bay. But with other cars parking up that charge on the front, back, either side wing or wherever else, a non Tesla might take the charger cable from the bay next to it, or the cable might not reach.


Zcd1

455 posts

57 months

Friday 3rd March 2023
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off_again

12,405 posts

236 months

Friday 3rd March 2023
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Ah, see that the videos of the US based YouTubers charging at Superchargers are linked.

From what I understand, its a pretty neat solution that Tesla has come up with. I was wondering how they would provide the converter and what they have is a simple but effective solution. Pricing seems to be a bit of an issue, but I guess this is the price you pay for convenience. And the good part, certainly for the US, is that the operation is very straightforward. App, locate, turn-up, find the charger number, click button, charge. Electrify America is NOT that simple or reliable as an example.

Only limited availability so far though, so lets see how this rolls out. Tesla need to be careful to not detriment the experience for Tesla owners, but from what I am seeing and hearing, a lot of Supercharger locations in popular areas are getting very busy a lot of the time (not just that example that was reported at ThanksGiving etc). Its very specific to locations though and Tesla needs to get on top of the demand.

On the price thing though - I see a lot of people here complaining that Tesla charging is expensive unless you get the subscription. Yes, that is true, but Electrify America (and others) can be super expensive too. And if you are going on a road trip here, you absolutely expect to pay more for fuel because the pricing can be extremely variable. Supply and demand can make a dramatic difference in the price, so a lot of people are just used to this. I dont think that it will put people off from using the service - Americans just pay the price for convenience.