Do I need a compo face?
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There are two types of parent in this situation ;
1) The ones who feel extremely guilty for not taking proper care of their child, they feel terrible about it but learn from the experience and focus their attention on their child. It wouldn't even enter their thought process to start blaming other people. In fact, they'd probably look to thank the 5 staff members who very kindly assisted.
2)
1) The ones who feel extremely guilty for not taking proper care of their child, they feel terrible about it but learn from the experience and focus their attention on their child. It wouldn't even enter their thought process to start blaming other people. In fact, they'd probably look to thank the 5 staff members who very kindly assisted.
2)
OP said:
I think the going rate for a leg burn is about £10k
Depressing thread, but sadly not surprising.Mont Blanc said:
So many people in this thread are determined to be utterly binary, and as I suggested in my earlier post, the world is a sliding scale of responsibility and everyone has a duty of care towards everyone else.
Are the parents ultimately responsible since they were present and overseeing? Yes, of course.
Do other people have a duty of care towards around kids, and considering the dangers to children? Yes, of course.
Both of those are statements are true.
As I mentioned, I’ve been in countless restaurants where the server has deliberately placed anything hot, sharp, or dangerous well out of arms reach of a child and even notified the parents of the danger by saying “I will put this hot plate over here away from the child”.
Which is IMO a basic duty of care towards a child, any child, that I would expect from anyone.
The same as if I see a parent walking along the pavement with a young toddler I lift off the throttle and hover over the brake pedal just incase the toddler makes a break for it, as they sometimes do.
I have a duty of care towards other peoples kids whilst operating a motor vehicle.
Would anyone in this thread seriously claim they would place cutlery/knife or boiling water within reach of a toddler?
I still don’t think the OP has a case for ‘compo’ but I’m merely saying that anyone who doesn’t think they have a duty of care towards other humans is being dreadfully binary.
is the expectation of tea order not going to be hot. they placed it in the middle of the table as stated. placing it elsewhere would probably have been precarious. Should the server not have a reasonable expectation that the parents are paying attention, or that the toddler is attached to the chair as not to be able to lurch fwd and grab things, and that the parents are aware that tea is generally consumed hot. Unless we are in the US and its Ice tea. I fail to see why the server should state this is hot, well i should hope it is.Are the parents ultimately responsible since they were present and overseeing? Yes, of course.
Do other people have a duty of care towards around kids, and considering the dangers to children? Yes, of course.
Both of those are statements are true.
As I mentioned, I’ve been in countless restaurants where the server has deliberately placed anything hot, sharp, or dangerous well out of arms reach of a child and even notified the parents of the danger by saying “I will put this hot plate over here away from the child”.
Which is IMO a basic duty of care towards a child, any child, that I would expect from anyone.
The same as if I see a parent walking along the pavement with a young toddler I lift off the throttle and hover over the brake pedal just incase the toddler makes a break for it, as they sometimes do.
I have a duty of care towards other peoples kids whilst operating a motor vehicle.
Would anyone in this thread seriously claim they would place cutlery/knife or boiling water within reach of a toddler?
I still don’t think the OP has a case for ‘compo’ but I’m merely saying that anyone who doesn’t think they have a duty of care towards other humans is being dreadfully binary.
Of course people have a duty of care towards others and people are not being binary at all. its the extent of that duty that you differ with, however dreadful you think it is or not.
Anyway this thread is done to death, the obvious thing is not to eat in supermarket cafes, way to council for PH.
Again hope the girl makes a full recovery and the parents assuage their guilt and just accept its one of those crappy things that sometimes happens rather than hang themselves up over it or try to blame others where there is none. Of course assuming that is why they are blaming others and its not some greedy money grab...as inferred by the OP.
Mont Blanc said:
Do other people have a duty of care towards around kids, and considering the dangers to children? Yes, of course.
Yes, but the tray was placed in the middle of the table, as is normal for communal stuff, for patrons to then deal with themselves. If the server starts placing it offset then the dopey parents will knock it over while faffing about with their books and be here whining how the server was negligent, placing it near an edge, how they could see the parent was moving about and how do they get their compensayshun.DP14 said:
Yes, but the tray was placed in the middle of the table, as is normal for communal stuff, for patrons to then deal with themselves. If the server starts placing it offset then the dopey parents will knock it over while faffing about with their books and be here whining how the server was negligent, placing it near an edge, how they could see the parent was moving about and how do they get their compensayshun.
This. All day long. Hopefully Darwinism will eventually make us smarter. Or more tea-resistant.DP14 said:
Mont Blanc said:
Do other people have a duty of care towards around kids, and considering the dangers to children? Yes, of course.
Yes, but the tray was placed in the middle of the table, as is normal for communal stuff, for patrons to then deal with themselves. If the server starts placing it offset then the dopey parents will knock it over while faffing about with their books and be here whining how the server was negligent, placing it near an edge, how they could see the parent was moving about and how do they get their compensayshun.Just for absolutely clarity, I still suggest there is no compensation due to the OP, and he is ultimately responsible.
If it was me delivering the tea, I would have sized up the situation and paused upon reaching the table, and clearly asked the parents where they would like the tea to be placed due to the children.
But that may be because I have children, and I know what the dangers are, but I would like to think that even if I didn't, I would still recognise the dangers.
All I'm trying to say is that perhaps the server could have exercised fractionally more caution. If others don't agree, then fair enough. We all have different ways of working.
Was in a cafe yesterday and was reminded of the OP’s scenario while people watching. A young couple a few tables away were sat with their child in a high chair. Their order was bought to them on a tray. The server set the tray down on an adjacent table and handed over the dishes and drinks individually. When he set down the tea pots he said be careful, they’re hot. He said the same about the food. I had a little smile to myself.
Hondashark said:
Thankfully solicitors are of a different opinion to the bellends blaming us.
Our daughter was in a position of safety and while we were distracted someone put her in danger.
That is fully blameable and rightly deserving of compensation. The issue is proving it when you have no CCTV evidence.
The solicitors are of a different opinion because they will get paid.Our daughter was in a position of safety and while we were distracted someone put her in danger.
That is fully blameable and rightly deserving of compensation. The issue is proving it when you have no CCTV evidence.
Your assertion that everyone with a different opinion to you is a bellend is a bit much. You posted on a forum asking for opinions. If you only want an echo chamber then pick your sounding board more carefully.
I wish your daughter a full and speedy recovery, but your ambitions of a £10k payout smacks of greed to be honest. Requesting a contribution towards your expenses as an act of good faith might have seen you get more posters “on side”
Antony Moxey said:
Was in a cafe yesterday and was reminded of the OP’s scenario while people watching. A young couple a few tables away were sat with their child in a high chair. Their order was bought to them on a tray. The server set the tray down on an adjacent table and handed over the dishes and drinks individually. When he set down the tea pots he said be careful, they’re hot. He said the same about the food. I had a little smile to myself.
This post made me smile to myself 
Antony Moxey said:
Was in a cafe yesterday and was reminded of the OP’s scenario while people watching. A young couple a few tables away were sat with their child in a high chair. Their order was bought to them on a tray. The server set the tray down on an adjacent table and handed over the dishes and drinks individually. When he set down the tea pots he said be careful, they’re hot. He said the same about the food. I had a little smile to myself.
Was the table clear of books and other debris? Were the parents focussed and ready to receive hot drinks and food, the child was restrained and safe in a highchair, would have made me smile too.Antony Moxey said:
Was in a cafe yesterday and was reminded of the OP’s scenario while people watching. A young couple a few tables away were sat with their child in a high chair. Their order was bought to them on a tray. The server set the tray down on an adjacent table and handed over the dishes and drinks individually. When he set down the tea pots he said be careful, they’re hot. He said the same about the food. I had a little smile to myself.
Or perhaps you just made this up to back up your own position. But no, that would be ridiculous.........Heaveho said:
Antony Moxey said:
Was in a cafe yesterday and was reminded of the OP’s scenario while people watching. A young couple a few tables away were sat with their child in a high chair. Their order was bought to them on a tray. The server set the tray down on an adjacent table and handed over the dishes and drinks individually. When he set down the tea pots he said be careful, they’re hot. He said the same about the food. I had a little smile to myself.
Or perhaps you just made this up to back up your own position. But no, that would be ridiculous.........Antony Moxey said:
Heaveho said:
Antony Moxey said:
Was in a cafe yesterday and was reminded of the OP’s scenario while people watching. A young couple a few tables away were sat with their child in a high chair. Their order was bought to them on a tray. The server set the tray down on an adjacent table and handed over the dishes and drinks individually. When he set down the tea pots he said be careful, they’re hot. He said the same about the food. I had a little smile to myself.
Or perhaps you just made this up to back up your own position. But no, that would be ridiculous.........Monkeylegend said:
Antony Moxey said:
Heaveho said:
Antony Moxey said:
Was in a cafe yesterday and was reminded of the OP’s scenario while people watching. A young couple a few tables away were sat with their child in a high chair. Their order was bought to them on a tray. The server set the tray down on an adjacent table and handed over the dishes and drinks individually. When he set down the tea pots he said be careful, they’re hot. He said the same about the food. I had a little smile to myself.
Or perhaps you just made this up to back up your own position. But no, that would be ridiculous.........
Antony Moxey said:
Was in a cafe yesterday and was reminded of the OP’s scenario while people watching. A young couple a few tables away were sat with their child in a high chair. Their order was bought to them on a tray. The server set the tray down on an adjacent table and handed over the dishes and drinks individually. When he set down the tea pots he said be careful, they’re hot. He said the same about the food. I had a little smile to myself.
Things that didn't happen 101
Antony Moxey said:
Heaveho said:
Antony Moxey said:
Was in a cafe yesterday and was reminded of the OP’s scenario while people watching. A young couple a few tables away were sat with their child in a high chair. Their order was bought to them on a tray. The server set the tray down on an adjacent table and handed over the dishes and drinks individually. When he set down the tea pots he said be careful, they’re hot. He said the same about the food. I had a little smile to myself.
Or perhaps you just made this up to back up your own position. But no, that would be ridiculous.........Now wheres that parrot.
theplayingmantis said:
Antony Moxey said:
Heaveho said:
Antony Moxey said:
Was in a cafe yesterday and was reminded of the OP’s scenario while people watching. A young couple a few tables away were sat with their child in a high chair. Their order was bought to them on a tray. The server set the tray down on an adjacent table and handed over the dishes and drinks individually. When he set down the tea pots he said be careful, they’re hot. He said the same about the food. I had a little smile to myself.
Or perhaps you just made this up to back up your own position. But no, that would be ridiculous.........Now wheres that parrot.
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