More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t
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Q: How stupid would you have to be to buy into any of this crap ?
A: Way beyond stupid.
Q: How does said beyond-stupid-person have the means to spunkk that sort of cash on crap like that ?
A: ?????
I'm sure that whole website must be just a pisstake - fair play to whoever is behind it as I'm sure it must be a fantastic laugh to put together.
Reviving this thread with news that my mains cable upgrade is done.
It took a while, lots of digging, but the new cable is a monster (with a small m).
It goes about 10 metres directly from the substation. There is a 4-way switch box so that other properties can avail themselves of this. My hifi is just the other side of the wall from the cutout box.
You can see that it has a healthy current capacity and probably costs a lot. I made sure that they laid it the right way round, it would be foolish to bury a cable like that with the current going against the homeopathic vibrations. Once the hole was filled in they used a special thing called a whacker plate to align the crystals in the cable.
Cable routing is very important, a man came and marked out the whole neighbourhood with arcane symbols in different colour spray paint, I guess that's so that the Feng Shui is optimal for the layout.
So far I'm very pleased, the Sonos One in the kitchen has never sounded so good, although there is a slight earthiness to the hifi sound. I'm hoping that will fade once the cable beds in a bit.
It took a while, lots of digging, but the new cable is a monster (with a small m).
It goes about 10 metres directly from the substation. There is a 4-way switch box so that other properties can avail themselves of this. My hifi is just the other side of the wall from the cutout box.
You can see that it has a healthy current capacity and probably costs a lot. I made sure that they laid it the right way round, it would be foolish to bury a cable like that with the current going against the homeopathic vibrations. Once the hole was filled in they used a special thing called a whacker plate to align the crystals in the cable.
Cable routing is very important, a man came and marked out the whole neighbourhood with arcane symbols in different colour spray paint, I guess that's so that the Feng Shui is optimal for the layout.
So far I'm very pleased, the Sonos One in the kitchen has never sounded so good, although there is a slight earthiness to the hifi sound. I'm hoping that will fade once the cable beds in a bit.
They were only doing the manual labouring.
At one point they started singing but I put the hose on them.
I also made sure that they dug in the direction of electrical flow using tools forged from low background steel and using handles made from the same trees used to make HMS Victory.
At one point they started singing but I put the hose on them.
I also made sure that they dug in the direction of electrical flow using tools forged from low background steel and using handles made from the same trees used to make HMS Victory.
dudleybloke said:
They were only doing the manual labouring.
At one point they started singing but I put the hose on them.
I also made sure that they dug in the direction of electrical flow using tools forged from low background steel and using handles made from the same trees used to make HMS Victory.
Seems to me that you're a bit of a "System addict"At one point they started singing but I put the hose on them.
I also made sure that they dug in the direction of electrical flow using tools forged from low background steel and using handles made from the same trees used to make HMS Victory.
Up to €450 for a headphone cable anyone?!
https://www.lavricables.com/cables/ultimate-silver...
Megalols.... For reference, I bought an OpenHeart cable that's hand made and amazing quality for £21 off ali express, it feels better put together with actual metal terminations than the Sennheiser cable....
And for the Ananda Nano, a little costlier for a lightweight braided balanced cable at £36:
I'm 450% sure that nobody with sense on this planet would be able to tell the difference between that £400 cable and the £21 ali express one.
https://www.lavricables.com/cables/ultimate-silver...
Megalols.... For reference, I bought an OpenHeart cable that's hand made and amazing quality for £21 off ali express, it feels better put together with actual metal terminations than the Sennheiser cable....
And for the Ananda Nano, a little costlier for a lightweight braided balanced cable at £36:
I'm 450% sure that nobody with sense on this planet would be able to tell the difference between that £400 cable and the £21 ali express one.
Edited by robbiekhan on Tuesday 7th May 23:22
robbiekhan said:
Slin flint. Those are the cheap ones. You need the Grand Silver HiFiMan Arya HE1000se HE6se Susvara Audivina upgrade cable @ €989.00 ex. VAT• Comes with 3.5mm plugs for headphone cups.
• Carefully handmade cable consists of 4 cores of awg20 multistrand litz cryo treated 6N purity silver wire.
• Soldered with Mundorf Supreme Silver 9.5% audio solder.
• Graphene groups are placed in the center of wire in order to make vocals more precise and open.
• Silver cores are twisted multiple times in groups which make the wire look very special.
• Woven Litz construction is ideal to deliver RFI and EMI rejection and provides low capacitance.
• 6N silver transmits electrical signals faster and with less distortion than ordinary OFC wires.
• ‘Skin effect’ is noticeably reduced via separately enameled litz silver cores.
See, you never knew what you were missing
robbiekhan said:
Up to €450 for a headphone cable anyone?!
https://www.lavricables.com/cables/ultimate-silver...
Megalols.... For reference, I bought an OpenHeart cable that's hand made and amazing quality for £21 off ali express, it feels better put together with actual metal terminations than the Sennheiser cable....
And for the Ananda Nano, a little costlier for a lightweight braided balanced cable at £36:
I'm 450% sure that nobody with sense on this planet would be able to tell the difference between that £400 cable and the £21 ali express one.
But, importantly, you really don’t know. https://www.lavricables.com/cables/ultimate-silver...
Megalols.... For reference, I bought an OpenHeart cable that's hand made and amazing quality for £21 off ali express, it feels better put together with actual metal terminations than the Sennheiser cable....
And for the Ananda Nano, a little costlier for a lightweight braided balanced cable at £36:
I'm 450% sure that nobody with sense on this planet would be able to tell the difference between that £400 cable and the £21 ali express one.
Edited by robbiekhan on Tuesday 7th May 23:22
And neither do I, but I’m not criticising something just because it’s expensive.
£21 cable by the time it reaches your sticky letter box is probably 40p cable and £20.60 profit, marketing, packaging, transit, post office etc etc
The £400 cable is probably £20 cable and £380 profit, marketing, packing, transit, post etc.
So it's really 40p versus maybe £20, so I'd bet at least a tenner that there is a difference, all else being equal and of a high enough quality to make the comparison worthwhile.
The £400 cable is probably £20 cable and £380 profit, marketing, packing, transit, post etc.
So it's really 40p versus maybe £20, so I'd bet at least a tenner that there is a difference, all else being equal and of a high enough quality to make the comparison worthwhile.
SteveKTMer said:
£21 cable by the time it reaches your sticky letter box is probably 40p cable and £20.60 profit, marketing, packaging, transit, post office etc etc
The £400 cable is probably £20 cable and £380 profit, marketing, packing, transit, post etc.
So it's really 40p versus maybe £20, so I'd bet at least a tenner that there is a difference, all else being equal and of a high enough quality to make the comparison worthwhile.
https://www.soundguys.com/cable-myths-reviving-the-coathanger-test-23553/The £400 cable is probably £20 cable and £380 profit, marketing, packing, transit, post etc.
So it's really 40p versus maybe £20, so I'd bet at least a tenner that there is a difference, all else being equal and of a high enough quality to make the comparison worthwhile.
"What this experiment doesn’t prove
I’m not entirely sure how or why that first coathanger sample was so convincing for Android Authority readers, but I suspect that there might be something that compelled many people to simply choose the first option on the list—perhaps to see the results faster? We’ve seen that before. In any case, all of the other questions fall roughly into line with what we expected to see. We then tested three hypotheses against all the results, and came up with the following:
Few people could reliably tell the difference between a coathanger and a high-end cable: inconclusive
Fewer people prefer the coathanger over the high-end cable: rejected
Fewer people prefer the high-end cable over the coathanger: confirmed
The only hypothesis we were able to confirm was that fewer people would choose the high end cable over the coathanger—and we were unable to confirm the original hypothesis that few people would be reliably able to tell the difference between the two (we should have logged how many people were correct all three times). However, this result is encouraging, because we could change the test design a little bit to add success rates and potentially prove the original hypothesis. Our idea wasn’t disproven, and the only thing we definitively proved is consistent with the idea that high-end cables generally aren’t worth the staggering increase in cost by performance alone."
Personally super expensive cables mean nothing to me, I have decent quality audio gear and hear the same details whether the cable is cheap or not. I only care about construction quality and the design of the cable as I keep my gear for many many years so want stuff to last if I'm handling them daily.
Edited by robbiekhan on Thursday 9th May 22:42
SteveKTMer said:
£21 cable by the time it reaches your sticky letter box is probably 40p cable and £20.60 profit, marketing, packaging, transit, post office etc etc
The £400 cable is probably £20 cable and £380 profit, marketing, packing, transit, post etc.
I'd say the £400 cable is probably £1 to make, but the Veblen effect seems to apply particularly strongly in the audio world. The £400 cable is probably £20 cable and £380 profit, marketing, packing, transit, post etc.
As ever, the great thing is that we all have a choice.
We can build a decent system from used gear for a few hundred quid.
We can sell our houses and buy systems in the £100k+ range.
We can build our own using skills, time, and some cash.
We can start small, and upgrade sensibly over the years, buying and selling as we go.
We can pretend we know everything about human nature, our hearing, electronics and audio reproduction.
We can pretend all sorts and only be lying to ourselves.
“Oh, I can’t afford a £400 cable, so I’ll find every reason I can for not only not even trying it, but why people who do buy it are stupid and frivolous with their easily obtained wealth.”
Me? Spent more than I should, when I could, and apart from a speaker change over seven years ago, I have the same gear 25 years later. Have I ever felt the need to justify any of it? Well, ok, a little bit! But buying good stuff all those years ago has saved me loads of time with seemingly endless upgrades that ultimately rarely satisfy for long.
Most expensive cables in my system? The cables that Naim supplied in the boxes, all included.
Would I try out an exotic boutique cable for a couple of weeks if a mate could loan me one? Of course I would, I’m open-minded, and importantly, I believe my own hearing. My system, my room, my ears.
We can build a decent system from used gear for a few hundred quid.
We can sell our houses and buy systems in the £100k+ range.
We can build our own using skills, time, and some cash.
We can start small, and upgrade sensibly over the years, buying and selling as we go.
We can pretend we know everything about human nature, our hearing, electronics and audio reproduction.
We can pretend all sorts and only be lying to ourselves.
“Oh, I can’t afford a £400 cable, so I’ll find every reason I can for not only not even trying it, but why people who do buy it are stupid and frivolous with their easily obtained wealth.”
Me? Spent more than I should, when I could, and apart from a speaker change over seven years ago, I have the same gear 25 years later. Have I ever felt the need to justify any of it? Well, ok, a little bit! But buying good stuff all those years ago has saved me loads of time with seemingly endless upgrades that ultimately rarely satisfy for long.
Most expensive cables in my system? The cables that Naim supplied in the boxes, all included.
Would I try out an exotic boutique cable for a couple of weeks if a mate could loan me one? Of course I would, I’m open-minded, and importantly, I believe my own hearing. My system, my room, my ears.
Similarly, we can pretend that acoustics and psychoacoustics aren't well understood sciences with decades of testing behind them. We can pretend that the physics of signal transmission aren't well understood (we can send gigahertz signals thousands of miles, kilohertz signals a few metres is nothing).
The "we just don't know" mantra isn't reasonable when applied to areas where we've had a superb understanding for decades.
The "we just don't know" mantra isn't reasonable when applied to areas where we've had a superb understanding for decades.
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