Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter
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Seems there's another Cybertruck recall - they've discovered the special hubcaps rub on the tyres and damage them.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQJFBnU/
Isn't that something which any proper manufacturer would have discovered in pre-release testing?
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQJFBnU/
Isn't that something which any proper manufacturer would have discovered in pre-release testing?
rscott said:
Seems there's another Cybertruck recall - they've discovered the special hubcaps rub on the tyres and damage them.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQJFBnU/
Isn't that something which any proper manufacturer would have discovered in pre-release testing?
Test in production. Let your customers find the problems and save on development costs.https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQJFBnU/
Isn't that something which any proper manufacturer would have discovered in pre-release testing?
durbster said:
rscott said:
Seems there's another Cybertruck recall - they've discovered the special hubcaps rub on the tyres and damage them.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQJFBnU/
Isn't that something which any proper manufacturer would have discovered in pre-release testing?
Test in production. Let your customers find the problems and save on development costs.https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQJFBnU/
Isn't that something which any proper manufacturer would have discovered in pre-release testing?
durbster said:
rscott said:
Seems there's another Cybertruck recall - they've discovered the special hubcaps rub on the tyres and damage them.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQJFBnU/
Isn't that something which any proper manufacturer would have discovered in pre-release testing?
Test in production. Let your customers find the problems and save on development costs.https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQJFBnU/
Isn't that something which any proper manufacturer would have discovered in pre-release testing?
EddieSteadyGo said:
durbster said:
rscott said:
Seems there's another Cybertruck recall - they've discovered the special hubcaps rub on the tyres and damage them.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQJFBnU/
Isn't that something which any proper manufacturer would have discovered in pre-release testing?
Test in production. Let your customers find the problems and save on development costs.https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQJFBnU/
Isn't that something which any proper manufacturer would have discovered in pre-release testing?
rscott said:
Nope. They were included on the first shipments, but stopped from about 1st February when they admitted to the really basic design flaw - https://www.tyrenews.co.uk/posts/cybertrucks-wheel...
Fair enough, I stand corrected on that one.Musk has finally reinstated Nick Fuentes, another in Musks efforts to remake Twitter as a home for Neo Nazis, conspiracies, white supremacists, anti-Semites and the rest... - Sorry Musks idea of free speech, I meant Musks free speech...
How long before Musk starts promoting his posts?
How long before Musk starts promoting his posts?
Byker28i said:
Musk has finally reinstated Nick Fuentes, another in Musks efforts to remake Twitter as a home for Neo Nazis, conspiracies, white supremacists, anti-Semites and the rest... - Sorry Musks idea of free speech, I meant Musks free speech...
How long before Musk starts promoting his posts?
How long before Musk starts promoting his posts?
Putting aside your dislike of Musk, isn't this a logical move? If Twitter essentially relies upon the law to decide the threshold for what is 'unacceptable speech', surely they then have to allow those who say things which are despicable, but still legal?
I know the usual counter-argument is Musk doesn't apply that rule consistently, so he wants to 'ban' people who say things he doesn't like, like revealing the location his jet etc. But that argument is a bit of misdirection, as it doesn't make the logic of re-enabling the account of this person invalid.
And to your last question, it seems Musk doesn't agree with Fuentes so highly doubt we will see him endorsing his views...
minimoog said:
Or, just make your platform a pleasant place to be and attractive to advertisers by keeping scum like him off it. It's a choice.
That's the alternative. Which is exactly what Meta do with Facebook and Instagram. And it certainly would make them more money. But that comes with the obvious downsides in terms of principles, which matter to some more than others.dobbo_ said:
Ban Nelson Mandela's grandson with no explanation.
Re-instate an absolute full on white supremacist.
I can see a way this is logical, but I'm not sure it's the way you meant...
Wasn't aware of that. Seems very odd (and wrong) based on the info in your post. Re-instate an absolute full on white supremacist.
I can see a way this is logical, but I'm not sure it's the way you meant...
Before we assume the worst, was he definitely using that twitter handle? Looking in the 'search' function, I can see almost zero @MandlaMandela tags on posts which mention his name (other than the ones which happened from the 26th April when that specific account was banned). That's very odd for a politician.
Normally you would see lots of handle links, but, prior to the ban, it seems other people who knew him on Twitter (and who seem to be supporters of his) used the hasgtag #MandlaMandela (as far as I could see in a quick search). That would normally imply the person they wanted to refer to wasn't on Twitter.
Has he made any references to his Twitter account been banned on his other social media accounts?
I know he was using that Twitter handle back in 2014 when he was very active (via the waybackmachine), but I'm wondering if he stopped using it sometime in the past and it was being used by someone else. Could be a possibility.
EddieSteadyGo said:
minimoog said:
Or, just make your platform a pleasant place to be and attractive to advertisers by keeping scum like him off it. It's a choice.
That's the alternative. Which is exactly what Meta do with Facebook and Instagram. And it certainly would make them more money. But that comes with the obvious downsides in terms of principles, which matter to some more than others.He bought Twitter to accelerate his 'everything app' as he said it would take longer to do it from scratch. What we see today is miles away from his X vision from when he bought it. Miles away.
What we see today is in part, a face saving exercise. I'll let it lose money as I'm principled in free speech. Pull the other one Elon. He's failed in his primary objectives so he's decided to rewrite history as if that was his plan all along. It's supposed to be the 'everything app'
YouTube competitor, PayPal competitor, Instagram....none of it has worked. Blue tick, yellow tick, rub a dub dub, three men in a tub. He's throwing stuff at the wall and nothing sticks. So he's left with a dirty wall that's in dire need of a good clean.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Putting aside your dislike of Musk, isn't this a logical move? If Twitter essentially relies upon the law to decide the threshold for what is 'unacceptable speech', surely they then have to allow those who say things which are despicable, but still legal?
I know the usual counter-argument is Musk doesn't apply that rule consistently, so he wants to 'ban' people who say things he doesn't like, like revealing the location his jet etc. But that argument is a bit of misdirection, as it doesn't make the logic of re-enabling the account of this person invalid.
And to your last question, it seems Musk doesn't agree with Fuentes so highly doubt we will see him endorsing his views...
That’s just something Musk says when he comes under criticism.
What is actually happening is some views are being amplified and others removed.
Just like every other social media platform.
gregs656 said:
Isn’t the argument that Twitter doesn't ‘essentially relies upon the law to decide the threshold for what is 'unacceptable speech'’
That’s just something Musk says when he comes under criticism.
What is actually happening is some views are being amplified and others removed.
Just like every other social media platform.
When I look at Twitter, it seems packed with strong views, many of which I disagree with. Whether that relates to Iran, Russia, Israel, Trump, US politics, Climate Change, Covid, UK politics etc etc. So, at a platform level, it doesn't look to me like "one side" is being neutered/removed whilst the other is being amplified. That’s just something Musk says when he comes under criticism.
What is actually happening is some views are being amplified and others removed.
Just like every other social media platform.
If we take specific examples, someone cited here a few weeks ago "theliamnissan" as being cancelled by Twitter because he embarrassed Musk. Yet that turned out to be wrong - that person had chosen to temporary delete their account and push a conspiracy theory they had been cancelled by Twitter. And when that was debunked, the reason switched, saying they had been subject to "threats", which is why they were forced to disable their account. But the truth was it was all for publicity....once they had milked the story sufficiently, they quietly reactivated their account within the 30 day grace period so they retained all their original followers etc and now they are continuing to tweet as per normal.
The other example mentioned yesterday was Nelson Mandela's grandson, who was supposedly cancelled by Twitter because he was helping provide aid to Gaza, and so Musk cancelled his account at the request of Israeli government.
And yet I think I cast doubt on that claim - I don't think that account was actually being used by Nelson Mandela's grandson in recent years, so that also feels most likely a fake story, amplified by those who hate Musk and don't bother to look at the detail.
Ah come on that's not fair. Eddie has a lot of time to forensically review the account of Nelson Mandela's grandson which was banned without explanation, in order to establish some reason why it was banned.
So can't possiblly have time to comment on Nick Fuentes.
Nick "Rape is not a big deal" Fuentes.
Nick "I’m just like Hitler" Fuentes.
Nick Fuentes who said the holocaust was like cookies being baked in an oven.
Nick "I want a total Aryan victory" Fuentes.
All that stuff though, is much much less important than establishing whether it really was Nelson Mandela's grandson, and whether a parody account really did receive threats. Because, you have to look at the detail. THE DETAIL MATTERS.
So can't possiblly have time to comment on Nick Fuentes.
Nick "Rape is not a big deal" Fuentes.
Nick "I’m just like Hitler" Fuentes.
Nick Fuentes who said the holocaust was like cookies being baked in an oven.
Nick "I want a total Aryan victory" Fuentes.
All that stuff though, is much much less important than establishing whether it really was Nelson Mandela's grandson, and whether a parody account really did receive threats. Because, you have to look at the detail. THE DETAIL MATTERS.
I'm not sure you "covered" anything other than saying you didn't think Musk agreed with his views. Perhaps I missed it?
An account with "groyper" in the username asks musk to reinstate a notorious racist anti semetic white nationalist
Musk immediately does. As you said "logical". Just entirely not in the way you want to believe it is.
Join the dots.
An account with "groyper" in the username asks musk to reinstate a notorious racist anti semetic white nationalist
Musk immediately does. As you said "logical". Just entirely not in the way you want to believe it is.
Join the dots.
We have covered this previously, at length, a few weeks ago. But in case it isn't obvious, I agree with your assertions about Fuentes' views. But I also think Twitter's policy, using the law as the basis for deciding the limits of free speech, makes sense in principle, even if it isn't financially optimal. It just needs to be applied consistently, which is why I said previously I disagreed with Musk banning the guy who was releasing detail of his plane's location, as that wasn't illegal either.
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