Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4
Discussion
RizzoTheRat said:
Cheib said:
The cluster ATACMS have 900 “bomblets”, there’s another version which has a unitary warhead alongside 300 “bomblets and then there’s a version with just a “big bang” unitary warhead. Not sure which are short range and which long range.
If Ukraine had enough of them to use them liberally for a few weeks you could imagine them making a massive dent in Russia’s capabilities.
I thought cluster munitions were illegal? Admittedly so is invading your neighbor and using cluster munitions on them...If Ukraine had enough of them to use them liberally for a few weeks you could imagine them making a massive dent in Russia’s capabilities.
I was surprised the US had stocks of them but it appears they never ratified the Oslo convention, and Ukraine aren't signatories, so that's all ok.
However it seems there is stuff in the convention about not assisting anyone who doing things outlawed by the convention, which could potentially cause some other nations a legal headache in supporting Ukraine.
It seems to be quite complicated....
https://verfassungsblog.de/cluster-munition-and-in...
None of the people who might fight a large mechanised opponent signed up to it and neither did anyone who had substantial number of artillery pieces.
It's a bit like saying we've banned cricket, 180 countries have signed up only India, Pakistan, UK, Australia, South Africa and the Windies etc haven't signed up.
Frankly if the options are scatter a few cluster munitions on your own country or have more of your towns destroyed to the degree that Bakmut was and be subjugated by the Russians and have actual war crimes be committed against your occupied people it's a pretty easy choice. Shame on the cluster munition ban supporters.
Edited by Talksteer on Friday 3rd May 17:22
borcy said:
Absolute bs.martynr said:
borcy said:
Absolute bs.RizzoTheRat said:
I thought cluster munitions were illegal? Admittedly so is invading your neighbor and using cluster munitions on them...
I was surprised the US had stocks of them but it appears they never ratified the Oslo convention, and Ukraine aren't signatories, so that's all ok.
However it seems there is stuff in the convention about not assisting anyone who doing things outlawed by the convention, which could potentially cause some other nations a legal headache in supporting Ukraine.
It seems to be quite complicated....
https://verfassungsblog.de/cluster-munition-and-in...
Only if you are Lithuanian. I was surprised the US had stocks of them but it appears they never ratified the Oslo convention, and Ukraine aren't signatories, so that's all ok.
However it seems there is stuff in the convention about not assisting anyone who doing things outlawed by the convention, which could potentially cause some other nations a legal headache in supporting Ukraine.
It seems to be quite complicated....
https://verfassungsblog.de/cluster-munition-and-in...
In other news, punters are suggesting that if the Russians persist on disrupting GPS via Kaliningrad that there should be a blockade of the port or dark fleet checks in the Baltic to ensure that Russia understands what a Baltic closure would mean for this part of Russia.
This goes someway to explaining the Russian mindset.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178658951266...
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178658951266...
is-uk said:
This goes someway to explaining the Russian mindset.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178658951266...
They mistranslated "you will never be seen again and your corpse will either be bulldozed into a mass grave or left to rot in a Ukranian field and be eaten by animals, after you have spent hours dying in agony."https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178658951266...
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
is-uk said:
This goes someway to explaining the Russian mindset.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178658951266...
They mistranslated "you will never be seen again and your corpse will either be bulldozed into a mass grave or left to rot in a Ukranian field and be eaten by animals, after you have spent hours dying in agony."https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178658951266...
Understand your enemy.
They may look like us. They may even talk the same language. But they do not think like us.
This UKR war has been an eye-opener to the West. Before this, we thought we would just have to suppress ruzzia and they would turn back. Now we know that the only thing we can do if they attack us is to kill them all.
Do you swat away the hornet, or find its nest and blast it with a flamethrower? I know what we should do, but most would just swat it away and hope it stings someone else.
pingu393 said:
Do you swat away the hornet, or find its nest and blast it with a flamethrower? I know what we should do, but most would just swat it away and hope it stings someone else.
Destroying the nest is the answer, and that will only happen by Putin being replaced. Unfortunately that will only happen if he dies or is overthrown in some sort of military coup.
There are hundreds of thousands of Russian men willing to die for the motherland, they all remember the hero's from the Great Patriotic War and most of their towns will have an eternal flame burning with names of the local soldiers who died during that war.
Those who want to live and had ways to avoid the propaganda have already left Russia.
pingu393 said:
Do they care for their physical self, or do they just want a name on a plaque so they can live forever?
Understand your enemy.
They may look like us. They may even talk the same language. But they do not think like us.
This UKR war has been an eye-opener to the West. Before this, we thought we would just have to suppress ruzzia and they would turn back. Now we know that the only thing we can do if they attack us is to kill them all.
Do you swat away the hornet, or find its nest and blast it with a flamethrower? I know what we should do, but most would just swat it away and hope it stings someone else.
Russian people are the same as you or I. In the right circumstances with the appropriate stimuli we can all be turned into killers. It is in the DNA, it's probably why Homo Sapiens is the dominant species on the planet.Understand your enemy.
They may look like us. They may even talk the same language. But they do not think like us.
This UKR war has been an eye-opener to the West. Before this, we thought we would just have to suppress ruzzia and they would turn back. Now we know that the only thing we can do if they attack us is to kill them all.
Do you swat away the hornet, or find its nest and blast it with a flamethrower? I know what we should do, but most would just swat it away and hope it stings someone else.
The vast majority of Russians just want to live their lives in peace and leave this world with their children in a better place than they were. Of course the problem is that they have been indoctrinated and accustomed to their "lot". You think it couldn't happen in the civilised world? Yet even in the this country we get people voting against what is really their own best interests. Prod people in the right way and you can get them to do anything.
is-uk said:
This goes someway to explaining the Russian mindset.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178658951266...
The Ukrainians are right calling them Orcs...https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178658951266...
you've not read enough about Russians to understand them. is-uk said:
This goes someway to explaining the Russian mindset.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178658951266...
I mean, technically he is right!https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178658951266...
RichFN2 said:
Destroying the nest is the answer, and that will only happen by Putin being replaced.
Unfortunately that will only happen if he dies or is overthrown in some sort of military coup.
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This may be on the cards. Sergei Shoigu's deputy, Timur Ivanov, was arrested last week on charges of corruption. It seems he has been syphoning off vast amounts of the defence budget. Shoigu is possibly also in the firing line. Putin reportedly has a potential problem brewing though if he tries to change those in charge of the Ministry of Defence. The source of this latest leak was correct about Prigozhin's coup (though it was directed towards removing Gerasimov and Shoigu).Unfortunately that will only happen if he dies or is overthrown in some sort of military coup.
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https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178640612172...
Edited by is-uk on Saturday 4th May 20:07
ConnectionError said:
martynr said:
borcy said:
Absolute bs.RichFN2 said:
Destroying the nest is the answer, and that will only happen by Putin being replaced.
Unfortunately that will only happen if he dies or is overthrown in some sort of military coup.
There are hundreds of thousands of Russian men willing to die for the motherland, they all remember the hero's from the Great Patriotic War and most of their towns will have an eternal flame burning with names of the local soldiers who died during that war.
Those who want to live and had ways to avoid the propaganda have already left Russia.
Let's be fair here that their motherland is in sUnfortunately that will only happen if he dies or is overthrown in some sort of military coup.
There are hundreds of thousands of Russian men willing to die for the motherland, they all remember the hero's from the Great Patriotic War and most of their towns will have an eternal flame burning with names of the local soldiers who died during that war.
Those who want to live and had ways to avoid the propaganda have already left Russia.
t and they know more than anyone. The majority know what is going on and that this is going for more than two years. The majority is coming to earn big money as you would get more than 10times your normal wage in their area. And if they die then their family will be well off. The tendency from interviews with Apostle Dmytro Karpenko that many after being injured twice would still come back. So, they need to be exterminated. There is no other way. End of.is-uk said:
RichFN2 said:
Destroying the nest is the answer, and that will only happen by Putin being replaced.
Unfortunately that will only happen if he dies or is overthrown in some sort of military coup.
......
This may be on the cards. Sergei Shoigu's deputy, Timur Ivanov, was arrested last week on charges of corruption. It seems he has been syphoning off vast amounts of the defence budget. Shoigu is possibly also in the firing line. Putin reportedly has a potential problem brewing though if he tries to change those in charge of the Ministry of Defence. The source of this latest leak was correct about Prigozhin's coup (though it was directed towards removing Gerasimov and Shoigu).Unfortunately that will only happen if he dies or is overthrown in some sort of military coup.
......
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178640612172...
Edited by is-uk on Saturday 4th May 20:07
martynr said:
Let's be fair here that their motherland is in st and they know more than anyone. The majority know what is going on and that this is going for more than two years. The majority is coming to earn big money as you would get more than 10times your normal wage in their area. And if they die then their family will be well off. The tendency from interviews with Apostle Dmytro Karpenko that many after being injured twice would still come back. So, they need to be exterminated. There is no other way. End of.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the benefits don't materialise. Promise lots deliver very little, who are they going to complain to? t and they know more than anyone. The majority know what is going on and that this is going for more than two years. The majority is coming to earn big money as you would get more than 10times your normal wage in their area. And if they die then their family will be well off. The tendency from interviews with Apostle Dmytro Karpenko that many after being injured twice would still come back. So, they need to be exterminated. There is no other way. End of.This is an interesting and scary article about N Korea’s manufacture and supply of missiles into Russia.
Missiles manufactured using American components despite all the sanctions.
7,000 containers shipped from N Korea to Russia!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68933778
Missiles manufactured using American components despite all the sanctions.
7,000 containers shipped from N Korea to Russia!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68933778
martynr said:
ConnectionError said:
martynr said:
borcy said:
Absolute bs.tshow; slaughtering them and encouraging others to flee probably never to return dooms the russian economy to perpetual stness. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff