Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I suppose two is better than none but it doesn't exactly bode well for the future does it.
To be honest, i expect maybe even they are surprised they got any at all.Well done to them.
Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!
smn159 said:
Yep, nothing says success like 2 wins in 300 attempts.
Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!
This is a major win for Reform and for Common Sense in Britain. The momentousness of this cannot be overstated, its clear that the average voting Briton has rejected the Left, Cancel Culture and Woke. St Nigel may even remove the cling film from the pint he carries around. It's a clear message that has been sent by voters that cannot be ignored and will be heralded by both Reform councillors. Stand back and stand by, change it coming. Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!
President Merkin said:
Guess, the boyos in here will be switching over to the Greens. They keep saying they're keen on up & coming parties after all.
Or they could swing behind the Workers Party of Britain, since they have one MP and now have five local government positions, having gained four over the past few days - twice as many as Reform. As a new party that has seen a 400% increase in seats, this can be the only choice for any right-thinking patriot who wants to stop Net Zero and crush the woke Trans Rights Activists and Make Brexit Work. Stick it to the complacent Westminster elite, lads, break free of the Failed Two-Party System and join with Gorgeous George Galloway and his socially-conservative radical patriotic platform.
[100% sarcasm, if it needed to be said]
It depends on the desired outcome.
If the desired outcome is a 13-15% vote capture and therefore destruction of the current Tory MP list then it's a GO.
If the people bankrolling the project don't want a working Labour majority for the next five years, it's a STOP.
I want the former as I am ready for the latter but YMMV.
If the desired outcome is a 13-15% vote capture and therefore destruction of the current Tory MP list then it's a GO.
If the people bankrolling the project don't want a working Labour majority for the next five years, it's a STOP.
I want the former as I am ready for the latter but YMMV.
captain_cynic said:
smn159 said:
Yep, nothing says success like 2 wins in 300 attempts.
Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!
This is a major win for Reform and for Common Sense in Britain. The momentousness of this cannot be overstated, its clear that the average voting Briton has rejected the Left, Cancel Culture and Woke. St Nigel may even remove the cling film from the pint he carries around. It's a clear message that has been sent by voters that cannot be ignored and will be heralded by both Reform councillors. Stand back and stand by, change it coming. Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!
The picture emerging from the locals is making reasonably clear that swathes of the country that would never vote Labour are seeing the current iteration of the Conservatives as a long way from what they supported previously & so a cranked up to 11 version of that in Reform is pretty much doomed to remain where it is now, permanently on the margins.
The fundamentals of being British haven't changed, most people rub along just fine in real llife, want to make a decent liiving, create a future for their kids, get by. People largely see through the divisive rhetoric peddled by Reform, we've seen that at the ballot box & thus it will only ever appeal to a narrow band of people motivated by their own base prejudices.
The fundamentals of being British haven't changed, most people rub along just fine in real llife, want to make a decent liiving, create a future for their kids, get by. People largely see through the divisive rhetoric peddled by Reform, we've seen that at the ballot box & thus it will only ever appeal to a narrow band of people motivated by their own base prejudices.
Janet Daley offers a different view.
"The assumption of the post-war West that the state could provide unlimited resources to insure its population against poverty, ill health and social disadvantage while maintaining a thriving market economy, has reached its endgame."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/04/local-...
"The assumption of the post-war West that the state could provide unlimited resources to insure its population against poverty, ill health and social disadvantage while maintaining a thriving market economy, has reached its endgame."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/04/local-...
Carl_VivaEspana said:
Janet Daley offers a different view.
"The assumption of the post-war West that the state could provide unlimited resources to insure its population against poverty, ill health and social disadvantage while maintaining a thriving market economy, has reached its endgame."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/04/local-...
Womp womp"The assumption of the post-war West that the state could provide unlimited resources to insure its population against poverty, ill health and social disadvantage while maintaining a thriving market economy, has reached its endgame."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/04/local-...
borcy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Wrong. All that will happen is that after 5, 10, or fifteen years in No 10, The UK public will get fed up with labour, just like they are fed up with the tories now, and vote the tories in again.
Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, NOT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
We should all stop voting?Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, NOT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
Carl_VivaEspana said:
Janet Daley offers a different view.
"The assumption of the post-war West that the state could provide unlimited resources to insure its population against poverty, ill health and social disadvantage while maintaining a thriving market economy, has reached its endgame."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/04/local-...
It can't just be that people have seen through the current Tory bulls"The assumption of the post-war West that the state could provide unlimited resources to insure its population against poverty, ill health and social disadvantage while maintaining a thriving market economy, has reached its endgame."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/04/local-...
t and grifting, no, it has to be an existential issue that threatens all of the WEST!!!!!She let the mask slip a little by throwing in a little islamophobia, just to make it clear who she thinks the real enemy is.... Feel free to join the dots through reform to whatever the NF have rebranded to this week.
NerveAgent said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Wrong. All that will happen is that after 5, 10, or fifteen years in No 10, The UK public will get fed up with labour, just like they are fed up with the tories now, and vote the tories in again.
Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, N!OT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
Nah, in 15 years a lot of todays Tory faithful will be dead and they aren’t being replaced in the usual number. Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, N!OT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
Disastrous said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Wrong. All that will happen is that after 5, 10, or fifteen years in No 10, The UK public will get fed up with labour, just like they are fed up with the tories now, and vote the tories in again.
Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, NOT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
Honestly, you’re like a skipping record. But a rubbish one you wouldn’t want to be listening to anyway. Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, NOT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
Do you not get tired of just saying the same thing over and over almost verbatim? There’s almost no thought or reason whatsoever. Nothing penetrates, or makes you consider a different view. You’re like some sort of conversational Terminator, relentlessly scanning the chat until you can find some prose you can torture sufficiently to wheel out one of about 4 stock paragraphs. Brutal.
(The sad part is I suspect almost everyone on here could type your inevitable ‘riposte’ to this almost word perfectly)
Pan Pan Pan said:
borcy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Wrong. All that will happen is that after 5, 10, or fifteen years in No 10, The UK public will get fed up with labour, just like they are fed up with the tories now, and vote the tories in again.
Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, NOT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
We should all stop voting?Labour had a150 seat majority when they were last in power, They still got massively kicked out in the last GE.
You don't seriously believe that all those tory voters, who cannot or will not vote tory in this years GE, are going to vote labour in this years farce do you?
And so the process goes on.
All I can say is if labour `do' honour all the promises `they' have made in the run up to this years election, we will all be in the land of milk and honey.
The only problem is, that this is what all parties in the last 50 years have been promising us, and not one, NOT ONE of them has delivered on their promises. and made the situation for the UK public any better.
Those that actually think they will, are just grasping at non existent straws.
Carl_VivaEspana said:
Janet Daley offers a different view.
"The assumption of the post-war West that the state could provide unlimited resources to insure its population against poverty, ill health and social disadvantage while maintaining a thriving market economy, has reached its endgame."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/04/local-...
Not read the report, but the bit you quoted has some merit in my opinion. There are too many suckling on the states nipple and the NHS costs too much for the tax paying population to support. Hence why we have the highest tax burden for 70 years."The assumption of the post-war West that the state could provide unlimited resources to insure its population against poverty, ill health and social disadvantage while maintaining a thriving market economy, has reached its endgame."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/04/local-...
Rufus Stone said:
Carl_VivaEspana said:
Janet Daley offers a different view.
"The assumption of the post-war West that the state could provide unlimited resources to insure its population against poverty, ill health and social disadvantage while maintaining a thriving market economy, has reached its endgame."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/04/local-...
Not read the report, but the bit you quoted has some merit in my opinion. There are too many suckling on the states nipple and the NHS costs too much for the tax paying population to support. Hence why we have the highest tax burden for 70 years."The assumption of the post-war West that the state could provide unlimited resources to insure its population against poverty, ill health and social disadvantage while maintaining a thriving market economy, has reached its endgame."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/04/local-...
Mrr T said:
The group you describe are the poorer elderly with health problems. Any suggests on how to solve that. Quite a lot also vote tory.
The Government needs to be honest with them in what the taxpayers can afford. Not doing so just pushes the problem down the road and on to someone else. I seriously doubt any Government has the bottle though.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff