Are you voting in the locals?
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ClaphamGT3 said:
It is an unpardonable national malaise.
I am not an advocate of compulsory voting, even though I consider anyone who does not vote as a dim-witted societal parasite, but I do consider the small and dwindling voter turn-out at elections to be a real weakness in society.
I personally believe that citizenship and constitution should be taught much more seriously in our primary and secondary skills, with heavy focus on the democratic process and the consequences of ignoring it.
There's no way that the Tories or Labour are ever going to risk introducing classes on actual democracy! There's too much of a risk that people would realise just how far removed from actual democracy our ludicrous FPTP system is.I am not an advocate of compulsory voting, even though I consider anyone who does not vote as a dim-witted societal parasite, but I do consider the small and dwindling voter turn-out at elections to be a real weakness in society.
I personally believe that citizenship and constitution should be taught much more seriously in our primary and secondary skills, with heavy focus on the democratic process and the consequences of ignoring it.
Kermit power said:
There's no way that the Tories or Labour are ever going to risk introducing classes on actual democracy! There's too much of a risk that people would realise just how far removed from actual democracy our ludicrous FPTP system is.
While PR often leads to the tail wagging the dog.Personally, I'm all for a dictatorship. At least they tend to get things done.
Blib said:
Kermit power said:
There's no way that the Tories or Labour are ever going to risk introducing classes on actual democracy! There's too much of a risk that people would realise just how far removed from actual democracy our ludicrous FPTP system is.
While PR often leads to the tail wagging the dog.Personally, I'm all for a dictatorship. At least they tend to get things done.
Blib said:
Randy Winkman said:
I stand ready if needed.
How are you with train timetables? 
t in real life, but I'll make them work on paper.... that's how dictatorships work... Have any other ideas and I'll introduce you to the secret police. Adios, Auf Widesen,.. you get the message.
Blib said:
Kermit power said:
There's no way that the Tories or Labour are ever going to risk introducing classes on actual democracy! There's too much of a risk that people would realise just how far removed from actual democracy our ludicrous FPTP system is.
While PR often leads to the tail wagging the dog.Personally, I'm all for a dictatorship. At least they tend to get things done.
There is a strong argument to say that Brexit and the bats
t crazy Rwanda plan are only happening because of the potential impact of the UKIP and Reform vote on Conservative election chances, so isn't that an example of an even waggier tail? Kermit power said:
That's an accusation frequently leveled at PR in debate, but can you actually point to any clear examples of this having happened in reality?
There is a strong argument to say that Brexit and the batst crazy Rwanda plan are only happening because of the potential impact of the UKIP and Reform vote on Conservative election chances, so isn't that an example of an even waggier tail?
PR allows extremists a way into influencing government policy.There is a strong argument to say that Brexit and the bats
t crazy Rwanda plan are only happening because of the potential impact of the UKIP and Reform vote on Conservative election chances, so isn't that an example of an even waggier tail? This cannot happen in FPTP.
Didn't bother, same as many others a 'long time Tory voter and once felt it was a moral obligation to vote' person.
But fk them all. I'd honestly like to see one of the more moronic parties get in power like the greens just to have a laugh. I could have told you that Labour would come out well on top before it started.
I don't vote in locals because the biggest influences on my life or area are controlled by the council, a council which are faceless, feckless and incompetent, immune from consequence and have me paying nearly £350/month now and in return I see nothing but worsening services. They are a cancer to society.
The local councilors make all the right noises about trying to stem or prevent the absolutely ridiculous and agressive housing expansion occurring in and around my area, 1000s of new homes with no plans to improve the local infrastructure where congestion is already high to the point I won't leave the house during the day on a weekend. To top it off traveller pitches will be included in these builds so all the benefits of their wonderfully diverse societal traits will follow.
It's interesting to read about the collapse of Roman territories and societies over the years and seeing our own society follow the same path, but where people would have moved elsewhere I don't think we now have any option to do so. I wonder how society will react when the financial screw is tightened too much, I know what I want to see happen.
But f
k them all. I'd honestly like to see one of the more moronic parties get in power like the greens just to have a laugh. I could have told you that Labour would come out well on top before it started.I don't vote in locals because the biggest influences on my life or area are controlled by the council, a council which are faceless, feckless and incompetent, immune from consequence and have me paying nearly £350/month now and in return I see nothing but worsening services. They are a cancer to society.
The local councilors make all the right noises about trying to stem or prevent the absolutely ridiculous and agressive housing expansion occurring in and around my area, 1000s of new homes with no plans to improve the local infrastructure where congestion is already high to the point I won't leave the house during the day on a weekend. To top it off traveller pitches will be included in these builds so all the benefits of their wonderfully diverse societal traits will follow.
It's interesting to read about the collapse of Roman territories and societies over the years and seeing our own society follow the same path, but where people would have moved elsewhere I don't think we now have any option to do so. I wonder how society will react when the financial screw is tightened too much, I know what I want to see happen.
Blib said:
Kermit power said:
That's an accusation frequently leveled at PR in debate, but can you actually point to any clear examples of this having happened in reality?
There is a strong argument to say that Brexit and the batst crazy Rwanda plan are only happening because of the potential impact of the UKIP and Reform vote on Conservative election chances, so isn't that an example of an even waggier tail?
PR allows extremists a way into influencing government policy.There is a strong argument to say that Brexit and the bats
t crazy Rwanda plan are only happening because of the potential impact of the UKIP and Reform vote on Conservative election chances, so isn't that an example of an even waggier tail? This cannot happen in FPTP.
As if Rwanda in particular isn't government policy being directly influenced by extremism!
Kermit power said:
Blib said:
Kermit power said:
That's an accusation frequently leveled at PR in debate, but can you actually point to any clear examples of this having happened in reality?
There is a strong argument to say that Brexit and the batst crazy Rwanda plan are only happening because of the potential impact of the UKIP and Reform vote on Conservative election chances, so isn't that an example of an even waggier tail?
PR allows extremists a way into influencing government policy.There is a strong argument to say that Brexit and the bats
t crazy Rwanda plan are only happening because of the potential impact of the UKIP and Reform vote on Conservative election chances, so isn't that an example of an even waggier tail? This cannot happen in FPTP.
As if Rwanda in particular isn't government policy being directly influenced by extremism!
But, if you believe that this rabble of a government is extreme, then you're sorely mistaken.
Blib said:
Kermit power said:
Blib said:
Kermit power said:
That's an accusation frequently leveled at PR in debate, but can you actually point to any clear examples of this having happened in reality?
There is a strong argument to say that Brexit and the batst crazy Rwanda plan are only happening because of the potential impact of the UKIP and Reform vote on Conservative election chances, so isn't that an example of an even waggier tail?
PR allows extremists a way into influencing government policy.There is a strong argument to say that Brexit and the bats
t crazy Rwanda plan are only happening because of the potential impact of the UKIP and Reform vote on Conservative election chances, so isn't that an example of an even waggier tail? This cannot happen in FPTP.
As if Rwanda in particular isn't government policy being directly influenced by extremism!
But, if you believe that this rabble of a government is extreme, then you're sorely mistaken.
Sending asylum-seekers to Rwanda is absolutely insane, and the only reason it exists as a Conservative policy is as a desperate response to the far more extreme Reform lunacy nibbling away at their core vote.
The difference is that under PR they'd be worrying about Reform actually winning seats, whereas under FPTP they're worrying about them taking enough of their core support away from them that Labour or the LibDems will win enough seats to take them down. The end result is still the same, though. Parties with extreme views have influenced government policies.
Personally I find that infinitely more pernicious than the PR alternative, because under FPTP people like Reform can influence government policy without ever being held to account themselves. At least under PR people get to see how crap the extremists are in action and can then choose to continue supporting them or otherwise in future elections.
Blib said:
PR allows extremists a way into influencing government policy.
This cannot happen in FPTP.
Look at Israeli politics as a case in point.This cannot happen in FPTP.
Often referred to as the only democracy in the entire Middle East, yet there have been countless elections over the years, with recent results so marginal, they end up with cobbled together coalitions with religious nutters becoming king makers.
Be careful what you wish for...
I do have some sympathy for the dictatorship idea: at least stuff would get done!
Biker 1 said:
Blib said:
PR allows extremists a way into influencing government policy.
This cannot happen in FPTP.
Look at Israeli politics as a case in point.This cannot happen in FPTP.
Often referred to as the only democracy in the entire Middle East, yet there have been countless elections over the years, with recent results so marginal, they end up with cobbled together coalitions with religious nutters becoming king makers.
Be careful what you wish for...
I do have some sympathy for the dictatorship idea: at least stuff would get done!
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