PCC elections tomorrow

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XCP

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16,950 posts

229 months

Friday 3rd May
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CoolHands said:
es I wanted to vote; why would I bother with being concerned about this otherwise. Why shouldn’t it be recorded that I was not allowed to vote? It’s quite important I think.
Were you aware that photographic ID was required? I think you were. There was a thread about it on here. There was quite a lot of publicity about it.

Yet you turned up without it when you could have used a postal vote, a proxy or obtained ID if you genuinely didn't have any. ( which I doubt if you drive a car)

So rather than make a genuine attempt to vote you turned up to make some sort of half assed point.

Did you think that the law shouldn't apply to you because you are special?

eldar

21,853 posts

197 months

Friday 3rd May
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XCP said:
CoolHands said:
es I wanted to vote; why would I bother with being concerned about this otherwise. Why shouldn’t it be recorded that I was not allowed to vote? It’s quite important I think.
Were you aware that photographic ID was required? I think you were. There was a thread about it on here. There was quite a lot of publicity about it.

Yet you turned up without it when you could have used a postal vote, a proxy or obtained ID if you genuinely didn't have any. ( which I doubt if you drive a car)

So rather than make a genuine attempt to vote you turned up to make some sort of half assed point.

Did you think that the law shouldn't apply to you because you are special?
Coolhands is obviouly Borissmile

Ridgemont

6,609 posts

132 months

Friday 3rd May
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XCP said:
CoolHands said:
es I wanted to vote; why would I bother with being concerned about this otherwise. Why shouldn’t it be recorded that I was not allowed to vote? It’s quite important I think.
Were you aware that photographic ID was required? I think you were. There was a thread about it on here. There was quite a lot of publicity about it.

Yet you turned up without it when you could have used a postal vote, a proxy or obtained ID if you genuinely didn't have any. ( which I doubt if you drive a car)

So rather than make a genuine attempt to vote you turned up to make some sort of half assed point.

Did you think that the law shouldn't apply to you because you are special?
It’s a bit odd. It literally is there in big print at the top of the card.
I mean I can understand being a bit miffed if you are an 85 year old who has never travelled but being unaware of the change, seems to be a little obtuse, shall we say?




Somewhatfoolish

4,403 posts

187 months

Friday 3rd May
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I heard quite a few had turned up without ID. I also know two people - a friend and a work colleague - who didn't have any. One went to get his, the other didn't bother.

Don't assume people read their poll cards! Whilst I knew about the ID requirement and thought about it, I didn't have my poll card and never have done I don't think.

Despite being semi researched for my mayor, I didn't know when I went to vote that I was voting for a PCC person as well so had to guess...

One other thing that occurs to me is that the voters in elections like this are more likely to be people like me who always vote, even if it's just to spoil a ballot. Indeed I have voted in more elections/referendums than I have been 18 for, due to being eligible to vote in multiple seats sometimes. So we're more accustomed to wandering in and giving our name and being taken on our word as gentlemen.


Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Friday 3rd May 21:57

Somewhatfoolish

4,403 posts

187 months

Friday 3rd May
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XCP said:
Did you think that the law shouldn't apply to you because you are special?
Disgusting law too. Fundamentally unbritish. So long as he was civil to the poll staff he did the right thing to have himself counted imo.

CoolHands

18,752 posts

196 months

Friday 3rd May
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XCP said:
CoolHands said:
es I wanted to vote; why would I bother with being concerned about this otherwise. Why shouldn’t it be recorded that I was not allowed to vote? It’s quite important I think.
Were you aware that photographic ID was required? I think you were. There was a thread about it on here. There was quite a lot of publicity about it.

Yet you turned up without it when you could have used a postal vote, a proxy or obtained ID if you genuinely didn't have any. ( which I doubt if you drive a car)

So rather than make a genuine attempt to vote you turned up to make some sort of half assed point.

Did you think that the law shouldn't apply to you because you are special?
from your posts it’s concerning that you are involved in administering any part of this process.

Kermit power

28,721 posts

214 months

Saturday 4th May
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CoolHands said:
XCP said:
CoolHands said:
es I wanted to vote; why would I bother with being concerned about this otherwise. Why shouldn’t it be recorded that I was not allowed to vote? It’s quite important I think.
Were you aware that photographic ID was required? I think you were. There was a thread about it on here. There was quite a lot of publicity about it.

Yet you turned up without it when you could have used a postal vote, a proxy or obtained ID if you genuinely didn't have any. ( which I doubt if you drive a car)

So rather than make a genuine attempt to vote you turned up to make some sort of half assed point.

Did you think that the law shouldn't apply to you because you are special?
from your posts it’s concerning that you are involved in administering any part of this process.
That doesn't answer the question though.

Yes, it's a bit annoying to have to take ID with you, especially when, like many, I never carry a wallet with me any more so have to make a point of remembering to actually get something from my study, but beyond that it's not as though it's difficult, is it?

My wife can no longer drive, but her bus pass was perfectly acceptable, for example, or you could apply for a free ID, or used a remote or proxy vote if you're really that paranoid about "them" knowing who you are.

There's no way that anyone didn't know they needed ID to vote. Turning up without it and then insisting that they record the fact is just weird.

XCP

Original Poster:

16,950 posts

229 months

Saturday 4th May
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CoolHands said:
rom your posts it’s concerning that you are involved in administering any part of this process.
Because I know the procedure?
If you had no intention of voting what gave you the right to be in the polling station by the way?
There are a very specific list of people with a right of entry and I wondered where you fitted in.

eldar

21,853 posts

197 months

Saturday 4th May
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eldar said:
Same here, nothing from any candidate. None of my neighbours seem to know or care. Only the PCC to vote for, so I suspect single figure turnout.
I was wrong. Overall turnout 21.7%, incumbent tory won, narrowly.

Drumroll

3,779 posts

121 months

Saturday 4th May
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XCP said:
Were you aware that photographic ID was required? I think you were. There was a thread about it on here. There was quite a lot of publicity about it.

Yet you turned up without it when you could have used a postal vote, a proxy or obtained ID if you genuinely didn't have any. ( which I doubt if you drive a car)

So rather than make a genuine attempt to vote you turned up to make some sort of half assed point.

Did you think that the law shouldn't apply to you because you are special?
I have driving licence that doesn't have photo ID. (Haven't moved house since before Photo licences came in.) My only form of photo ID is my out of date passport photograph. My MIL has no form of photo ID. The whole photo ID and the way it has been done has made it difficult for a lot of people to vote, So have a guess what happens, they don't vote.


Edited by Drumroll on Saturday 4th May 09:51

XCP

Original Poster:

16,950 posts

229 months

Saturday 4th May
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As long as your out of date photo ID can be confirmed as being you,It would be accepted. As happened on Thursday. Your MIL could have a postal vote, obtain voter ID or appoint a proxy.

Drumroll

3,779 posts

121 months

Saturday 4th May
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XCP said:
As long as your out of date photo ID can be confirmed as being you,It would be accepted. As happened on Thursday. Your MIL could have a postal vote, obtain voter ID or appoint a proxy.
Yes, my MIL could have done those, but she won't as will a lot of people of her generation.

According to the government 4.7 million people still have a paper licence.

snuffy

9,859 posts

285 months

Saturday 4th May
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I can't believe that not all the results have been announced, I mean, how long can it take to count 4 ballot papers?

Kermit power

28,721 posts

214 months

Saturday 4th May
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Drumroll said:
XCP said:
As long as your out of date photo ID can be confirmed as being you,It would be accepted. As happened on Thursday. Your MIL could have a postal vote, obtain voter ID or appoint a proxy.
Yes, my MIL could have done those, but she won't as will a lot of people of her generation.

According to the government 4.7 million people still have a paper licence.
If she doesn't have a passport, a driving licence, a bus pass or a disabled blue badge and she refuses to fill out an online form or pop a paper one in the post to get a free voter ID, a postal vote or arrange a proxy, why should anyone else be to blame?

Surely she's old enough by now to realise that the world doesn't revolve around her?

thatsprettyshady

1,837 posts

166 months

Saturday 4th May
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Was everyone here asked for their photo ID? I wasn't.

119

6,503 posts

37 months

Saturday 4th May
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Our (ex) local Tory PCC has won again obliterating Labours effort.

Drumroll

3,779 posts

121 months

Saturday 4th May
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Kermit power said:
If she doesn't have a passport, a driving licence, a bus pass or a disabled blue badge and she refuses to fill out an online form or pop a paper one in the post to get a free voter ID, a postal vote or arrange a proxy, why should anyone else be to blame?

Surely she's old enough by now to realise that the world doesn't revolve around her?
Not a question of the world revolving around her, just an example of why some people are not voting.

Kermit power

28,721 posts

214 months

Sunday 5th May
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Drumroll said:
Kermit power said:
If she doesn't have a passport, a driving licence, a bus pass or a disabled blue badge and she refuses to fill out an online form or pop a paper one in the post to get a free voter ID, a postal vote or arrange a proxy, why should anyone else be to blame?

Surely she's old enough by now to realise that the world doesn't revolve around her?
Not a question of the world revolving around her, just an example of why some people are not voting.
If she's not complaining about it then fair enough. If she does a Crosshands and turns up to bleat about wanting a form filled out to say she was denied her democratic right to vote or whatever, that's very much more a case of the world revolving around her.

donkmeister

8,260 posts

101 months

Monday 6th May
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Round here it's always obvious when there is a PCC election coming up because all of a sudden the police cars are everywhere in the daytime, and you won't see a camera van anywhere.

It's genuinely like all holiday is cancelled for the few weeks before the election.

We are all Brexiteers now

2,583 posts

162 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Drumroll said:
Kermit power said:
If she doesn't have a passport, a driving licence, a bus pass or a disabled blue badge and she refuses to fill out an online form or pop a paper one in the post to get a free voter ID, a postal vote or arrange a proxy, why should anyone else be to blame?

Surely she's old enough by now to realise that the world doesn't revolve around her?
Not a question of the world revolving around her, just an example of why some people are not voting.
No, just a single example.