I predict a massive financial case next 5 years

I predict a massive financial case next 5 years

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AceRockatansky

2,148 posts

28 months

Friday 3rd May
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Scootersp said:
NickZ24 said:
How did you get to that conclusion?
The financial crisis is ever present since people feel a crisis when seeing high debts, trillions of dollars in the US and the EU you see here: https://www.statista.com/statistics/274179/nationa...

There are many pages suggesting a ticking clock. But there is no law that says from xxxx Trillion a state crumbles.
From a certain level onward you see that it's just a number. And as long as people pay taxes no crisis is coming along.

War is the opportunity for a reset. For 2025 to 2026 is the prediction.
You'd like to think there could be a better "opportunity" than war!!

There are no/few true economic laws at all are there? else we could follow them and avoid crises? There seem to be economic camps which it's perfectly legitimate to be in (keynesian etc), so no one right way, there are theories/indicators and I read that once you go over a certain debt to GDP ratio (and it used to be stated as around 100%) then more debt didn't create enough economic activity to arrest the cycle a sort of tipping point/event horizon. But then look at Japan's now.

It all seems to be mainly confidence (TINA) based, and also that any 'solution' would create bigger short term problems? ie it's easier for most people if the status quo persists, but gradually there seems to be a pinch on the lower classes where inflation is felt most, US homeless issues, worldwide economic migrants, widespread petty crime/shoplifting increasing, councils broke, slower NHS service just a bit of general social decline.

The paradox, would seem to be there is no easy solution at the moment, but the cause of problems seemingly can't even be slowed (on the contrary) so it's set to continue to make the issue bigger, making the solutions even harder and consequences worse as time goes on? A sort of catch22 doom loop......but one that could go on for years/decades?

The debt repayments as a percentage of GDP are also now rising, talk of the US debt burden approaching (apparently now surpassed) the defense budget

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/u-s-debt-interest...
"On average, the U.S. spent more than $2 billion per day on interest costs last year (2023). Going further, the U.S. government is projected to spend a historic $12.4 trillion on interest payments over the next decade, averaging about $37,100 per American.

Exacerbating matters is that the U.S. is running a steep deficit, which stood at $1.1 trillion for the first six months of fiscal 2024. This has accelerated due to the 43% increase in debt servicing costs along with a $31 billion dollar increase in defense spending from a year earlier. Additionally, a $30 billion increase in funding for the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation in light of the regional banking crisis last year was a major contributor to the deficit increase.

Overall, the CBO forecasts that roughly 75% of the federal deficit’s increase will be due to interest costs by 2034."


So unsustainable in any logical sense but can't stop it now as the consequences will be severe? but no real plan/ability to turn this around?
This is the reason I'm going to diversify with property and precious metals. I can't do much about my pension, but I can buy a few houses.

NickZ24

159 posts

68 months

Friday 3rd May
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AceRockatansky said:
This is the reason I'm going to diversify with property and precious metals. I can't do much about my pension, but I can buy a few houses.
Houses in war tend to turn into ruble.

AceRockatansky said:
"On average, the U.S. spent more than $2 billion per day on interest costs last year (2023). Going further, the U.S. government is projected to spend a historic $12.4 trillion on interest payments over the next decade, averaging about $37,100 per American.

Exacerbating matters is that the U.S. is running a steep deficit, which stood at $1.1 trillion for the first six months of fiscal 2024. This has accelerated due to the 43% increase in debt servicing costs along with a $31 billion dollar increase in defense spending from a year earlier. Additionally, a $30 billion increase in funding for the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation in light of the regional banking crisis last year was a major contributor to the deficit increase.

Overall, the CBO forecasts that roughly 75% of the federal deficit’s increase will be due to interest costs by 2034."
Do you really think that wealthy people worry about deficits?


Ken_Code

642 posts

3 months

Friday 3rd May
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NickZ24 said:
Do you really think that wealthy people worry about deficits?

Yes, as it’s us who are going to be taxed to pay for them.

If you are in the lower 60% of households then you know that it’s not you who’s on the hook.

AceRockatansky

2,148 posts

28 months

Saturday 4th May
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NickZ24 said:
AceRockatansky said:
This is the reason I'm going to diversify with property and precious metals. I can't do much about my pension, but I can buy a few houses.
Houses in war tend to turn into ruble.

AceRockatansky said:
"On average, the U.S. spent more than $2 billion per day on interest costs last year (2023). Going further, the U.S. government is projected to spend a historic $12.4 trillion on interest payments over the next decade, averaging about $37,100 per American.

Exacerbating matters is that the U.S. is running a steep deficit, which stood at $1.1 trillion for the first six months of fiscal 2024. This has accelerated due to the 43% increase in debt servicing costs along with a $31 billion dollar increase in defense spending from a year earlier. Additionally, a $30 billion increase in funding for the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation in light of the regional banking crisis last year was a major contributor to the deficit increase.

Overall, the CBO forecasts that roughly 75% of the federal deficit’s increase will be due to interest costs by 2034."
Do you really think that wealthy people worry about deficits?

War? I think America will default on it's debt one day. I don't want to be holding paper when they do. Could be 5 months or 15 years, I don't know. But the current trajectory means it's inevitable.

Today it is 2.4 billion per day in interest.

Edited by AceRockatansky on Saturday 4th May 07:11

Mr Whippy

29,091 posts

242 months

Saturday 4th May
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And they’re not net exporters. And it’s worsening.

So it seems all they can do is export USD debt to suckers hehe

For now China seem happy to sell their cheap tat for cheap tat USD because everyone else will accept it.


A fairly large chunk of USD debt is bought by the USA institutions for pensions. Lol.

Puzzles

1,863 posts

112 months

Saturday 4th May
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DaveCWK said:
It rides as softly as a cloud.
Is there a chance the track could bend?

GTPork

43 posts

40 months

Saturday 4th May
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Puzzles said:
Is there a chance the track could bend?
Not on your life, my Hindu friend

RSTurboPaul

10,470 posts

259 months

Saturday 4th May
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Andy Schectman has been talking about dedollarisation and the USD losing World Reserve Currency status for a while, as well as how it appears everything is shifting to the East via the BRICS arrangements, with a move to a gold-backed financial system. He has also highlighted how it appears that the entire US banking system seems to be being set up to crash, with associated Bail-in losses by the masses and the end-game apparently being currency issued directly to the population by the Federal Reserve and controlled via CBDCs.

This video gives a nicely paced run-through of what has informed his thoughts, if it is of any interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7BnGdoaI9E


Caddyshack

10,943 posts

207 months

Saturday 4th May
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Has the OP assumed a crash within 5 years because they have watched some YouTube videos? You have to ask yourself what you are basing your theory on and how qualified you are to make that theory and if you even have thought of it or have just been given it.

Do you work in a job that is making you a lot of money from your knowledge in this area? What sort or money do you have available to make money in this area? Are we talking £10k, £50k, 100k or in the millions?

Mr Whippy

29,091 posts

242 months

Saturday 4th May
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RSTurboPaul said:
Andy Schectman has been talking about dedollarisation and the USD losing World Reserve Currency status for a while, as well as how it appears everything is shifting to the East via the BRICS arrangements, with a move to a gold-backed financial system. He has also highlighted how it appears that the entire US banking system seems to be being set up to crash, with associated Bail-in losses by the masses and the end-game apparently being currency issued directly to the population by the Federal Reserve and controlled via CBDCs.

This video gives a nicely paced run-through of what has informed his thoughts, if it is of any interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7BnGdoaI9E

How would you lose reserve currency status “for a while”

I’ve not watched the video. Seen one you’ve seen them all.

I’m sure the world should have ended about 1,000 times by now but it’s still going.

The question is correct in its needs though, how do you position for the unknown future?

The best is to secure what you have. Anything else is speculation.

Focus on your own lot.

Caddyshack

10,943 posts

207 months

Saturday 4th May
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Mr Whippy said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Andy Schectman has been talking about dedollarisation and the USD losing World Reserve Currency status for a while, as well as how it appears everything is shifting to the East via the BRICS arrangements, with a move to a gold-backed financial system. He has also highlighted how it appears that the entire US banking system seems to be being set up to crash, with associated Bail-in losses by the masses and the end-game apparently being currency issued directly to the population by the Federal Reserve and controlled via CBDCs.

This video gives a nicely paced run-through of what has informed his thoughts, if it is of any interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7BnGdoaI9E

How would you lose reserve currency status “for a while”

I’ve not watched the video. Seen one you’ve seen them all.

I’m sure the world should have ended about 1,000 times by now but it’s still going.

The question is correct in its needs though, how do you position for the unknown future?

The best is to secure what you have. Anything else is speculation.

Focus on your own lot.
Andy S is a bullion salesman…I guess he might tell people that cash dollars are not safe….I wonder if he takes dollars?

RSTurboPaul

10,470 posts

259 months

Saturday 4th May
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Caddyshack said:
Mr Whippy said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Andy Schectman has been talking about dedollarisation and the USD losing World Reserve Currency status for a while, as well as how it appears everything is shifting to the East via the BRICS arrangements, with a move to a gold-backed financial system. He has also highlighted how it appears that the entire US banking system seems to be being set up to crash, with associated Bail-in losses by the masses and the end-game apparently being currency issued directly to the population by the Federal Reserve and controlled via CBDCs.

This video gives a nicely paced run-through of what has informed his thoughts, if it is of any interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7BnGdoaI9E

How would you lose reserve currency status “for a while”

I’ve not watched the video. Seen one you’ve seen them all.

I’m sure the world should have ended about 1,000 times by now but it’s still going.

The question is correct in its needs though, how do you position for the unknown future?

The best is to secure what you have. Anything else is speculation.

Focus on your own lot.
Andy S is a bullion salesman…I guess he might tell people that cash dollars are not safe….I wonder if he takes dollars?
haha, I should have moved some words around - he's been talking for a while about USD losing World Reserve Currency status, not that WRC Status will be lost for a while laugh

He is indeed a bullion salesman and acknowledges that 'talking his book' can be levelled at him, but he sets out the various things that have happened that leads him to his conclusions that the USD is toast and that the BRICS hegemony will lead going forward, with what appears to be a Gold-Backed currency, so I think it is an interesting watch, even if just having it on in the background while doing something else.

He does have a small rant about 'the way the country is going', but then he clearly feels passionately about it.

At some point I'd like to pull together a nice little timeline graphic thing to illustrate what he talks about succinctly, but you know, life always gets in the way. lol

NickZ24

159 posts

68 months

Saturday 4th May
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RSTurboPaul said:
Andy Schectman has been talking about dedollarisation and the USD losing World Reserve Currency status for a while, as well as how it appears everything is shifting to the East via the BRICS arrangements, with a move to a gold-backed financial system.
There is no alternative to the $ and many who hate the $ are just envious.
If you look at the haters they have much in common to US lovers, too many american gadgets.

Mankers

585 posts

170 months

Saturday 4th May
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A lot of naive comments.

Buy the market, own the market, hold the market, don’t try and time the market, simple. Add the to the position, make money. Easy.

Mr Whippy

29,091 posts

242 months

Saturday 4th May
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I’m still unconvinced because as noted, the timeline looking forward always looks bleak, such is the outlook on a downward slope,

And hegemony always end. So you’re half the time over the hump so to speak.


The USA is ultimately buggered, but it might have 50yrs more in it… or 5. Who knows.

AceRockatansky

2,148 posts

28 months

Saturday 4th May
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Mr Whippy said:
I’m still unconvinced because as noted, the timeline looking forward always looks bleak, such is the outlook on a downward slope,

And hegemony always end. So you’re half the time over the hump so to speak.


The USA is ultimately buggered, but it might have 50yrs more in it… or 5. Who knows.
That is precisely the point. I have no idea, but it's obvious the deficit is unsustainable. I've been paying into my pension with AVC's, I'm going to pull that back and diversify into property and precious metals. Seems like a sensible thing to do and if the economy doesn't go pop and they work things out, all the better for me. If I have 5 years to diversify properly then that's good too. If it goes pop next week I'm screwed.

Panamax

4,133 posts

35 months

Saturday 4th May
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AceRockatansky said:
I'm going to pull that back and diversify into property and precious metals.
Get ready to wave goodbye to your money.

AceRockatansky

2,148 posts

28 months

Saturday 4th May
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Panamax said:
AceRockatansky said:
I'm going to pull that back and diversify into property and precious metals.
Get ready to wave goodbye to your money.
So you think I should stay in stocks and shares? You think the government debt is sustainable and we'll all just tinker along? What if you're wrong.

I'll be honest, I have no idea. Diversifying just seems sensible.

Let's be clear, I'm not out of S&S entirely, I will still contribute to my pension scheme and my ISA, but I will be diverting cash towards something else.


OoopsVoss

466 posts

11 months

Sunday 5th May
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Ken_Code said:
As you say, t’s not a zero-sum game,.

Banks don’t (generally) make money by trading in the markets. We are selling services to companies. Offering loans, issuing bonds, and hedging their risks.

An options trader may be buying calls on bonds from someone who owns the bond, and then selling those options on to someone who wants to speculate on the price moving higher. They take a small spread between the two prices, which is where they make their money.

The reason traders need to be bright and good with numbers is that the two sides of the deal rarely happen at the same time, or exactly match in economics (they may buy an option on a 10y govt bond and sell an option on a 9y one) and so they need to know how much they need to charge for the resultant risk.

They do this in interest rates, inflation, commodities, FX, equities etc, with each trader generally trading only one specific type of product or currency.

We also sell investor products, packaging (for example) equities in with debt to produce a note that will pay you any increase in the FTSE, but guarantee to return your initial investment if the FTSE falls.

Running risk in trading books nowadays costs a lot of money. The bank must set aside capital against that risk, meaning that they can’t then use it for something productive.
Of course, it's a service, but it's a business built on rental NOT ownership. Buying stuff is transitory for a bank - not to acquire direct proprietary exposure.

Primary bank business is leverage extension and maturity transformation. Which are basically lending financial resource. Nearly every trade they do is linked to one or other. Service function is secondary - custody, banking or advisory are important, but not core function. Even Prine Brokerage which might involve buying securities is pure hedge. They have made money on lending the leverage or maturity transformation. They make money on the resource.

It's a weird disconnect that many interested in finance don't understand banks. Or it's confused. The big banks and asset managers like Vanguard, Blackrock don't make directional trades. They get paid to rent financial resource capacity. They are delta flat, as are the counterparts they deal with - no one Is losing. The only people who are, are the end users.



Scootersp

3,207 posts

189 months

Sunday 5th May
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AceRockatansky said:
Diversifying just seems sensible.
I'd tend to agree.........I wonder if the International monetary fund think they are saying goodbye to their money!?


https://www.imf.org/en/About/Factsheets/Sheets/202...

The role of gold
Gold played a central role in the international monetary system in past centuries when currency rates were linked to the price of gold. The fixed currency system ended in 1973, diminishing gold’s role. However, gold remains an important reserve asset and the IMF is one of the world’s largest official holders of gold.

They've had 50 years to get rid of it, but tend to keep it?

"The IMF may sell gold outright according to prevailing market prices and may accept gold from member countries repaying loans, using an agreed price based on current market prices. Such transactions require IMF Executive Board approval by an 85% majority of the total voting power."

Why do they still bother with it?