Health and Safety, how's your H&S game?
Discussion
surveyor said:
It's interesting. Lots of people have talked about H&S at work. Not so many about H&S at home..
A&E plan in advance for Bank Holiday weekends. The spike in stupid cases is exponential.Mind you last trip to A&E I had was a gash on my wrist that wouldn't stop bleeding after I snapped a plate washing up. (Blood thinners didn't help)
GliderRider said:
One problem with H&S is the almost universal use of the bog standard hard hat, which is fine if the primary hazard is a tree surgeon dropping a branch on you, a scaffolder dropping his spanner, or walking into the end of a steel girder. In most cases though, when working under the car, or navigating your way through a complex wooden attic structure, a close fitting bump cap is far more useful and appropriate. I only discovered their existence by googling 'conformal hard hat'.
How many people here actually have one though?
I expect under the car, even the peak would get in the way.
I like that. I am always bashing my head - usually when standing up underneath something overhanging. I've just ordered one off Amazon - thanks.How many people here actually have one though?
I expect under the car, even the peak would get in the way.
Edited by GliderRider on Wednesday 1st May 00:11
I do have a proper hard hat - the forestry type with attached safety glasses, a mesh face mask and ear defenders. I use it often because I am not too proud to and I'm fed up hurting myself. But I only use it when I'm using tools that seem to invite trouble. For just mooching around rue garage one of those bump caps would be invaluable to me.
One place I did some work at, in Nuclear, had an observation and near miss reporting target for every member of staff, that was linked to thier yearly appraisal.
As a contractor the way to get, employees on your side, was to quietly point out anything to then that they could get on thier record.
Things like, the pump hand sanitisor at the top and bottom.of the stairs, which was empty, and would therefore discourage people from.using the hand rails, or worse, mean that your hands might then.be contaminated.
Or, a pallet on the floor, slightly in the walk way.
As a contractor the way to get, employees on your side, was to quietly point out anything to then that they could get on thier record.
Things like, the pump hand sanitisor at the top and bottom.of the stairs, which was empty, and would therefore discourage people from.using the hand rails, or worse, mean that your hands might then.be contaminated.
Or, a pallet on the floor, slightly in the walk way.
Pit Pony said:
One place I did some work at, in Nuclear, had an observation and near miss reporting target for every member of staff, that was linked to thier yearly appraisal.
As a contractor the way to get, employees on your side, was to quietly point out anything to then that they could get on thier record.
Things like, the pump hand sanitisor at the top and bottom.of the stairs, which was empty, and would therefore discourage people from.using the hand rails, or worse, mean that your hands might then.be contaminated.
Or, a pallet on the floor, slightly in the walk way.
I did a bit of work at a construction/building testing facility where the staff had ridiculously high targets in terms of the number of near misses and potential incidents they had to report. I had multiple staff ask me to do various things purely so they'd be able to report it and get their numbers up. Asking me to leave stuff lying around, trail cables, move that pallet a bit. As a contractor the way to get, employees on your side, was to quietly point out anything to then that they could get on thier record.
Things like, the pump hand sanitisor at the top and bottom.of the stairs, which was empty, and would therefore discourage people from.using the hand rails, or worse, mean that your hands might then.be contaminated.
Or, a pallet on the floor, slightly in the walk way.
It was also mandatory to use the handrail on stairs/steps and you'd be given a mark against you if you didn't.
Likewise not allowed to walk/pace around when on the phone.
Must reverse park, and leave a space between the you and the next car when parking if possible "for safety".
Absurd.
I tripped over my own shoelace in the car park
One of my favourites was after doing the ADR course then the exam. Gathered with the instructor for a course debrief and he said what do you do when it all goes pear shaped?
Many came out with the long winded instructions from the handbook.
The correct answer was grab the paperwork,god help you if it wasn't all in order, get out,stay out, phone the emergency service with the information and keep the public away .
Despite what the course tells us we have neither the equipment,the training or the experience to deal with it,let the professionals do it .
Many came out with the long winded instructions from the handbook.
The correct answer was grab the paperwork,god help you if it wasn't all in order, get out,stay out, phone the emergency service with the information and keep the public away .
Despite what the course tells us we have neither the equipment,the training or the experience to deal with it,let the professionals do it .
BlindedByTheLights said:
Life is still quite cheap, the fine is pretty paltry.hidetheelephants said:
BlindedByTheLights said:
Life is still quite cheap, the fine is pretty paltry.surveyor said:
Interesting reading in here.. https://press.hse.gov.uk/
Still alarming how many people seem to think its all a load of crap. Probably due to some of the time, the people / how it has been managed. surveyor said:
Interesting reading in here.. https://press.hse.gov.uk/
It’s frustrating and sad to read. There are no new accidents but plenty of new people. BlindedByTheLights said:
surveyor said:
Interesting reading in here.. https://press.hse.gov.uk/
It’s frustrating and sad to read. There are no new accidents but plenty of new people. They you read of someone killed when a lorry driver moved a truck while he was loading it with a forklift which consequently turned over and landed on him.
Suddenly no keys seem reasonable.
jasonrobertson86 said:
surveyor said:
Interesting reading in here.. https://press.hse.gov.uk/
Still alarming how many people seem to think its all a load of crap. Probably due to some of the time, the people / how it has been managed. Which is why we put a big barrier between stupid and the dangerous bits....
M.
One of the things I do at work is design equipment, and part of that is to perform a risk assessment on it that gets reviewed by some senior safety people, and we agree what level of risk the equipment poses to various different people.
It can take 3 months if it's a completely new piece of equipment for which you can't use a previous one as an example, and that's around 12 possible accidents that may occur. Luckily most of them are similar to the previous design.
The other day, one of my colleagues said he'd once hurt himself when taking the doors off the packing material of the equipment when it hit his foot. The door weighs about 1.5 kg.
Anyway, that's yet another risk that hadn't been considered before, but now needs an additional entry into "what can go wrong" and "what can we do about it"...
It can take 3 months if it's a completely new piece of equipment for which you can't use a previous one as an example, and that's around 12 possible accidents that may occur. Luckily most of them are similar to the previous design.
The other day, one of my colleagues said he'd once hurt himself when taking the doors off the packing material of the equipment when it hit his foot. The door weighs about 1.5 kg.
Anyway, that's yet another risk that hadn't been considered before, but now needs an additional entry into "what can go wrong" and "what can we do about it"...
tribbles said:
One of the things I do at work is design equipment, and part of that is to perform a risk assessment on it that gets reviewed by some senior safety people, and we agree what level of risk the equipment poses to various different people.
It can take 3 months if it's a completely new piece of equipment for which you can't use a previous one as an example, and that's around 12 possible accidents that may occur. Luckily most of them are similar to the previous design.
The other day, one of my colleagues said he'd once hurt himself when taking the doors off the packing material of the equipment when it hit his foot. The door weighs about 1.5 kg.
Anyway, that's yet another risk that hadn't been considered before, but now needs an additional entry into "what can go wrong" and "what can we do about it"...
At least you’re a responsible company doing them, currently having issues with equipment installed and newly purchased equipment where that hasn’t been done and retrofits are needed to guard dangerous parts etc It can take 3 months if it's a completely new piece of equipment for which you can't use a previous one as an example, and that's around 12 possible accidents that may occur. Luckily most of them are similar to the previous design.
The other day, one of my colleagues said he'd once hurt himself when taking the doors off the packing material of the equipment when it hit his foot. The door weighs about 1.5 kg.
Anyway, that's yet another risk that hadn't been considered before, but now needs an additional entry into "what can go wrong" and "what can we do about it"...
surveyor said:
Interesting reading in here.. https://press.hse.gov.uk/
Some of those are ridiculous. Quite why any individual would place themselves in those situations is beyond me. BlindedByTheLights said:
At least you’re a responsible company doing them, currently having issues with equipment installed and newly purchased equipment where that hasn’t been done and retrofits are needed to guard dangerous parts etc
We are a very safety conscious company, and while the assesments detract from what I find is fun (designing and making things), I do get a bit of a kick thinking of ways people can hurt themselves. My predecessor didn't have quite the same mind - he had 7 different possible accidents, and 11 do's and don'ts in the user manual. My latest has 15 possible accidents, and 56 do's and don'ts.Mind you, he did once apparently have a lot of live exposed wires on his desk while he was wiring something up. He almost got sacked for that! The (then) boss of the department took me on a tour of the facility, and I'm sure the question he asked me about the safety of a particular box (and my answer to it) was the reason I was given the job.
Having said that, we have had some serious accidents - mostly from people doing things they thought were fine, such as climbing on shelves (which subsequently collapsed).
As an aside, I bought an air fryer a few months ago. The manual was 8 pages long. Not one of those had any recipes or ideas; everything was about safety, except for a QR code to take you to the recipe section of their web site...
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