The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)

The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)

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Paddymcc

950 posts

192 months

Monday 29th April
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Frimley111R said:
"..... if the club missed out on Europe entirely...."

Which we will.
If we lost the FA Cup final do we not automatically get the Europa league place since City would be in the Champs league?

Challo

10,226 posts

156 months

Monday 29th April
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RoadRunner220 said:
simon800 said:
Maybe I'm just living in hope, as it all seems eminently sensible!
You're not the only one, I too hope the article is entirely true.

Just on Brandon Williams seeing as he was mentioned in the article. What I would like to see us as a club do more of is being more ruthless with our youth players. Too many times in recent years you see a youth player come through, get a few appearances, look half decent, and then they just don't get the game time and fade into obscurity. It's like we don't want to sell them on 'just in case' but then we don't play them and they just leave on a free anyway.

What I want to see us do is, if we think they aren't going to get the game time, just sell them, cash in, add in a sell on clause and get rid.

City have done this well recently, Cole Palmer being the latest. Yes he's turned out to be quite a player, but he wasn't going to get game time at City, and he had what, two starts ?, and they got £40m for him, and will get more because of sell on clauses.

And it will help a lot with FFP
During the summer we started to implement that policy with regard to youth. If the club doesn’t think they have a chance with the first team then sell them, but add in buy back and sell on clauses. As you say no point them sitting around doing nothing.

Williams was an odd one. Played a few games, got a massive pay increase and no one would buy him. I think he was rumoured to be on 40k a week. Can’t get a game in the championship

LF5335

6,068 posts

44 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Challo said:
During the summer we started to implement that policy with regard to youth. If the club doesn’t think they have a chance with the first team then sell them, but add in buy back and sell on clauses. As you say no point them sitting around doing nothing.

Williams was an odd one. Played a few games, got a massive pay increase and no one would buy him. I think he was rumoured to be on 40k a week. Can’t get a game in the championship
It’s weird, because he looked like a decent player in the making, proper little sthouse with decent pace and good positional awareness. Then he seemed to just vanish into the squad and then the reserves, never to be seen in a United shirt again.

GTO-3R

7,511 posts

214 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Frimley111R said:
Jesus! Squad motivation must be high with news that most of them are up for sale!!!!
About time they had a dose of reality and realised they're not in charge.

hmg

563 posts

120 months

Tuesday 30th April
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GTO-3R said:
Frimley111R said:
Jesus! Squad motivation must be high with news that most of them are up for sale!!!!
About time they had a dose of reality and realised they're not in charge.
Exactly this….and it’s mooted that clubs are talking about some sort of wage controls to even things up for the bottom half of the prem teams…

Maybe it will never happen but this ridiculous wage model has to be looked at…with new FFP it’s the beginning of the end for the player gravy train.

Anyone got the stats on average wages in the other top EU leagues?

bstb3

4,120 posts

159 months

Tuesday 30th April
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hmg said:
Anyone got the stats on average wages in the other top EU leagues?
No idea how accurate, but seems to scan with what we are told:

TEKNOPUG

18,999 posts

206 months

Tuesday 30th April
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GTO-3R said:
Frimley111R said:
Jesus! Squad motivation must be high with news that most of them are up for sale!!!!
About time they had a dose of reality and realised they're not in charge.
Players won't care though. They have contracts and aren't going to leave and take a pay cut. Neither are they going to leave to a club or league that they don't want to play in.

You can put everyone up for sale but you still have to find clubs who are prepared to pay what United want, pay the players what they want and also be a club that the players want to join. Otherwise the players will just sit out their contracts playing 5-a-sides at Carrington and leave on a free.

Edited by TEKNOPUG on Tuesday 30th April 18:20

TEKNOPUG

18,999 posts

206 months

Tuesday 30th April
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bstb3 said:
hmg said:
Anyone got the stats on average wages in the other top EU leagues?
No idea how accurate, but seems to scan with what we are told:
Saudi Pro League figures must be nonsense. The vast majority of players are Saudi and they aren't going to be earning 6 figures a week.

57Ford

4,095 posts

135 months

Tuesday 30th April
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TEKNOPUG said:
Saudi Pro League figures must be nonsense. The vast majority of players are Saudi and they aren't going to be earning 6 figures a week.
I agree you might be right but the average is likely to be considerably dragged up by the few superstars.

Frimley111R

15,704 posts

235 months

Tuesday 30th April
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57Ford said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Saudi Pro League figures must be nonsense. The vast majority of players are Saudi and they aren't going to be earning 6 figures a week.
I agree you might be right but the average is likely to be considerably dragged up by the few superstars.
Isn't it showing the top 5 player's averages across the leagues, not the entire league?

57Ford

4,095 posts

135 months

Tuesday 30th April
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I don’t think so because we’re told that even the 4th highest earning Casemiro is on £300k a week which is £15M per year.

57Ford

4,095 posts

135 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Good grief, a lot of this article could easily be written about us:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ckr5...

Sorry, hate blind links - it’s an article about the fall of Schalke as a club.

Frimley111R

15,704 posts

235 months

Tuesday 30th April
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57Ford said:
I don’t think so because we’re told that even the 4th highest earning Casemiro is on £300k a week which is £15M per year.
Yep, you're right. I wonder if it corrects for the number of players in each league (assume so), however it kind of shows us what we know I guess.

Challo

10,226 posts

156 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Frimley111R said:
57Ford said:
I don’t think so because we’re told that even the 4th highest earning Casemiro is on £300k a week which is £15M per year.
Yep, you're right. I wonder if it corrects for the number of players in each league (assume so), however it kind of shows us what we know I guess.
I certainly hammers home the issue that lots of top clubs have in their abilty to shift players. As a previous poster stated, its great saying everyone is up for sale, but who are the teams going to pay the wages?

The gulf between the premier league and say Bundesliga or Serie A is big, but then also add in those leagues only a handful of the clubs will pay very good salaries. Most of the other clubs have very small budgets.

Its great that United can pay huge wages, but what happens when it all goes wrong and you need to sell i.e. Sancho. The financial impact to United is massive.

LF5335

6,068 posts

44 months

Tuesday 30th April
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57Ford said:
Good grief, a lot of this article could easily be written about us:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ckr5...

Sorry, hate blind links - it’s an article about the fall of Schalke as a club.
That does have some quite spooky similarities.

TEKNOPUG

18,999 posts

206 months

Tuesday 30th April
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57Ford said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Saudi Pro League figures must be nonsense. The vast majority of players are Saudi and they aren't going to be earning 6 figures a week.
I agree you might be right but the average is likely to be considerably dragged up by the few superstars.
I guess. Smaller league so less players also.

GTO-3R

7,511 posts

214 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Good to see the club making more changes to senior positions and solidifying the foundations from the top down. SJR and INEOS are pretty much controlling the club with the Glazers secondary thankfully.

Big summer ahead for us smile

bstb3

4,120 posts

159 months

Wednesday 1st May
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It's certainly promising. Hopefully it's along the lines of the old Honda TV ad - "Hate something, change something, make something better..." rather than the other Honda ad "The impossible dream" but at least they are trying.

It makes sense to get trusted interims in now (or at least from the end of the season, that bit is a little unclear as I've heard conflicting reports on that) to get the summer moving asap. We can't really wait for Berrada and Ashworth too much longer before it will impact next year.

Sycamore

1,814 posts

119 months

Wednesday 1st May
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GTO-3R said:
Big summer ahead for us smile
"Manchester United is pleased to announce that Marcus Rashford has signed an 8-year contract with the club, on a deserved salary of £750k per week."

57Ford

4,095 posts

135 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Sycamore said:
"Manchester United is pleased to announce that Marcus Rashford has signed an 8-year contract with the club, on a deserved salary of £750k per week."
Gotta protect that valuable asset…

Hopefully we’ve seen the last of these ridiculous deals with our new overlords. The next few years are looking exciting to me at the moment.