Christian Horner
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So, question is....whoever lit a flame underneath this - have they got what they want?
Presuming the deck of cards has now fallen and AN is the only movement, whoever lit the flame has still got CH now as a principle, but has lost the P1 preferred F1 car designed and perhaps biggest asset to Red Bull current day so the possibility that Red Bull 2026 onwards has been weakened significantly?
Presuming the deck of cards has now fallen and AN is the only movement, whoever lit the flame has still got CH now as a principle, but has lost the P1 preferred F1 car designed and perhaps biggest asset to Red Bull current day so the possibility that Red Bull 2026 onwards has been weakened significantly?
deadslow said:
732NM said:
deadslow said:
possible his reporting doesn't concur with your bias?
No, I have consistently considered him a plank, regarding every subject. 
Getting back to my first interaction on this with you, i was not referencing Craig Slater, it was your biased comment i referenced, which you appear to be trying to deflect from.
TheDeuce said:
Durzel said:
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
Deesee said:
Newey has resigned... leaves for 2025.
On the beebhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cv2rd53gnr6o
Interesting to see confirmation it is in relation to Horner's behaviour. Again, that's something we all knew but it's quite significant to see that in an article that relates to a Red Bull statement about his departure.
I'll await Newey's own statement about his departure, I wonder if he'll be discrete or use it to air some frustrations. Probably the former but we'll soon see what he has to say..
There is nothing in Newey's statement alluding to Horner, so I don't know where this official confirmation is? Is it simply the case that if a source repeats the same unsubstantiated conjecture multiple times then it's confirmed?
(To be clear - it is quite possible - and on the balance of probabilities likely - that the Horner stuff IS the principal reason he's leaving, but strictly speaking this has not been confirmed anywhere that I can see. "Sources say" doesn't mean s
t)But everything surrounding this story so far, all the rumours and press hinting desperately at what's going on without technically making statements of fact, all suggest that everyone with their ear to the ground knows exactly what's playing out, and why - and it's for the obvious reasons.
There is clearly a power struggle, which lead to someone leaking the dirt on Horner to try and get rid of him. That power struggle must have impacted Newey in some way, as it concerns two people that he has a relationship with. The fact that the leak concerning Horner relates to a woman that was his/shared PA too isn't exactly going to be comfortable for him to live with, especially with Horner remaining in his professional life in F1.
And all that set against the backdrop of Newey delivering probably his finest F1 car to date which is winning every week? He should be on cloud 9 right now, but he's not, he's leaving the team. He's obviously really not happy and I think it's pretty easy to see why, even though we don't know all the ins and outs (no pun..)
Still going on, still having an impact. It's not going away as RB amd RB racing hoped when they tried to brush it all under the carpet
Safe to say it'll be yet another race weekend when Horny's behaviour and the outcomes will be a talking point again.
Byker28i said:
TheDeuce said:
Durzel said:
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
Deesee said:
Newey has resigned... leaves for 2025.
On the beebhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cv2rd53gnr6o
Interesting to see confirmation it is in relation to Horner's behaviour. Again, that's something we all knew but it's quite significant to see that in an article that relates to a Red Bull statement about his departure.
I'll await Newey's own statement about his departure, I wonder if he'll be discrete or use it to air some frustrations. Probably the former but we'll soon see what he has to say..
There is nothing in Newey's statement alluding to Horner, so I don't know where this official confirmation is? Is it simply the case that if a source repeats the same unsubstantiated conjecture multiple times then it's confirmed?
(To be clear - it is quite possible - and on the balance of probabilities likely - that the Horner stuff IS the principal reason he's leaving, but strictly speaking this has not been confirmed anywhere that I can see. "Sources say" doesn't mean s
t)But everything surrounding this story so far, all the rumours and press hinting desperately at what's going on without technically making statements of fact, all suggest that everyone with their ear to the ground knows exactly what's playing out, and why - and it's for the obvious reasons.
There is clearly a power struggle, which lead to someone leaking the dirt on Horner to try and get rid of him. That power struggle must have impacted Newey in some way, as it concerns two people that he has a relationship with. The fact that the leak concerning Horner relates to a woman that was his/shared PA too isn't exactly going to be comfortable for him to live with, especially with Horner remaining in his professional life in F1.
And all that set against the backdrop of Newey delivering probably his finest F1 car to date which is winning every week? He should be on cloud 9 right now, but he's not, he's leaving the team. He's obviously really not happy and I think it's pretty easy to see why, even though we don't know all the ins and outs (no pun..)
Still going on, still having an impact. It's not going away as RB amd RB racing hoped when they tried to brush it all under the carpet
Safe to say it'll be yet another race weekend when Horny's behaviour and the outcomes will be a talking point again.
But at least there is the rather more interesting talking point about where Newey is going to end up, in addition to the rather obvious set of reasons that he has departed RBR.
I am hoping Fred and Horner will be in the teams press conf, it'll be telling to see the chemistry of them both when they're asked if they have any idea what Newey will do next. I can't see Fred doing a great job of hiding his smugness if it's the case that he knows damn well Newey is on his way to Ferrari in due course.
Blib said:
I suppose Newey could 'un-resign' if certain people left RB?
Not theoretically impossible, but highly unlikely.At this sort of level; once you commit to moving on, you move on. If you weren't as important as the person you had an issue with when you worked there, then you weren't important.
deadslow said:
732NM said:
deadslow said:
possible his reporting doesn't concur with your bias?
No, I have consistently considered him a plank, regarding every subject. Forester1965 said:
I'd imagine Horner is currently Mr. Charm personified around the drawing office at Red Bull handing out pay rises like confetti.
He can’t do that any more, as they’re bound by the cost cap. They either need to pay fewer people more money each, or hire another superstar as one of their three exemptions. Perhaps they might get away with a handful of internal promotions filling in the gaps behind Newey, but he was always a bit of a sideways character anyway on the org chart. i very much doubt this was a quick decision because of the CH non story. I suspect he has a plan for the final years of his career.
I can see why Ferrari would be attractive, working with LH and having just bought a very nice yacht I'm sure he could have some meetings in international waters regardless of any gardening leave bks.
Or , maybe Aston Martin..........with CH as TP..........
I can see why Ferrari would be attractive, working with LH and having just bought a very nice yacht I'm sure he could have some meetings in international waters regardless of any gardening leave b
ks.Or , maybe Aston Martin..........with CH as TP..........
The Selfish Gene said:
i very much doubt this was a quick decision because of the CH non story. I suspect he has a plan for the final years of his career.
I can see why Ferrari would be attractive, working with LH and having just bought a very nice yacht I'm sure he could have some meetings in international waters regardless of any gardening leave bks.
Or , maybe Aston Martin..........with CH as TP..........
It's been reported that he almost left RB last year before he was persuaded to sign a new contract. With that in mind it wouldn't take much to reverse that decision and walk away.I can see why Ferrari would be attractive, working with LH and having just bought a very nice yacht I'm sure he could have some meetings in international waters regardless of any gardening leave b
ks.Or , maybe Aston Martin..........with CH as TP..........
I'm still not convinced he's heading for Ferrari, or anywhere else in F1, but I hope he does.
Blib said:
I suppose Newey could 'un-resign' if certain people left RB?
I'm not sure it matters. He was getting itchy feet long before this mess. He's 65, nothing to prove, certainly won't be wanting to get involved in any kind of office squabble and gets to leave at the top on his own terms. Will he take another major, full time job? I'd be surprised. Would he take a consultancy on his own terms, even better terms than the RB deal? Quite possibly but I do suspect he has reached the point where he would prefer to spend more time with himself and more important people to him?
DonkeyApple said:
I'm not sure it matters. He was getting itchy feet long before this mess. He's 65, nothing to prove, certainly won't be wanting to get involved in any kind of office squabble and gets to leave at the top on his own terms.
Will he take another major, full time job? I'd be surprised. Would he take a consultancy on his own terms, even better terms than the RB deal? Quite possibly but I do suspect he has reached the point where he would prefer to spend more time with himself and more important people to him?
We shall have to wait and see.Will he take another major, full time job? I'd be surprised. Would he take a consultancy on his own terms, even better terms than the RB deal? Quite possibly but I do suspect he has reached the point where he would prefer to spend more time with himself and more important people to him?
Adrian has been in a consultant oversee role for years already, he was out of the picture for a few months when he smashed his face in and had reconstructive surgery, that was hardly noticed due to his role not being so pivotal day to day. All he has to do is guide a concept via a team already designing the 2nd best car, that would be a piece of piss and not take up silly hours.
There are a lot of positives for Adrian to go to Ferrari on a consultancy basis, i can see him being bored out of his box full time retired.
732NM said:
We shall have to wait and see.
Adrian has been in a consultant oversee role for years already, he was out of the picture for a few months when he smashed his face in and had reconstructive surgery, that was hardly noticed due to his role not being so pivotal day to day. All he has to do is guide a concept via a team already designing the 2nd best car, that would be a piece of piss and not take up silly hours.
There are a lot of positives for Adrian to go to Ferrari on a consultancy basis, i can see him being bored out of his box full time retired.
Yup. Time by the Lakes on the Italian Euro is certainly not a bad gig. Retirement for someone like that wouldn't be daytime TV and Viking cruises but just doing the things work prevented. Adrian has been in a consultant oversee role for years already, he was out of the picture for a few months when he smashed his face in and had reconstructive surgery, that was hardly noticed due to his role not being so pivotal day to day. All he has to do is guide a concept via a team already designing the 2nd best car, that would be a piece of piss and not take up silly hours.
There are a lot of positives for Adrian to go to Ferrari on a consultancy basis, i can see him being bored out of his box full time retired.
NRS said:
deadslow said:
732NM said:
deadslow said:
possible his reporting doesn't concur with your bias?
No, I have consistently considered him a plank, regarding every subject. Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff