Has there been a shake up at Haas?
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wibble cb said:
Presuming Ed said:
He comes across as a nice guy but you can’t say he was a success at Haas given their results. Vowles at Williams seems to be doing a far better job for example. Haas have been treading water for too long.
True, but his budget was $2.50 and a bag of nuts, not sure what else he could have with the resources, I think Vowles has more.
too much of a fokkin loose cannon viz zees vankars.
He was an absolute legend in F1.
Every time Sky went to the pit wall to talk to Guenther Steiner you just knew they were ready with the apology for the language.
Someone else posted that they thought that most of the team would walk barefoot over hot coals and broken glass for him. I don't doubt that for a moment.
Haas is all the poorer for him not being there.
Every time Sky went to the pit wall to talk to Guenther Steiner you just knew they were ready with the apology for the language.
Someone else posted that they thought that most of the team would walk barefoot over hot coals and broken glass for him. I don't doubt that for a moment.
Haas is all the poorer for him not being there.
Red9zero said:
scrw. said:
Wonder how long Moneygram will hang around now, Guenther brought much more to the sponsorship package, Haas has lost a huge amount of value to sponsors without Guenther.
Exactly. Haas got a huge amount of publicity they wouldn't have had without GS.Guenther never actually seemed to be very good as a TP, he just shouted and swore at people. There was one scene in Drive to Survive, where he just said to the Chief Designer "just design a faster car".
He was fun to watch, but I cannot imagine he was particularly good at actual people management or creating a team of people willing to work together.
PhilAsia said:
wibble cb said:
Presuming Ed said:
He comes across as a nice guy but you can’t say he was a success at Haas given their results. Vowles at Williams seems to be doing a far better job for example. Haas have been treading water for too long.
True, but his budget was $2.50 and a bag of nuts, not sure what else he could have with the resources, I think Vowles has more.Apparently his contract expired..... so did Gene offer a new one and GS said no thanks you won't spend the money and you've reneged on the equity promise, or did Gene just say naff off GS?
Either way, Haas is now f
ked. Gene seems to think buying an engine, gearbox and suspension from Ferrari means that he doesn't need to spend any money and Haas should be on Ferrari's tails. He can't be that naive can he? We all know Gene doesn't like spending money on the team. They're not even reaching the spending Cap.
Moneygram signed because of GS. They'll be off.
Gene either stumps up the money or he goes. Either way, he's bringing nothing to F1, and undoubtedly, Andretti couid bring more.
Either way, Haas is now f
ked. Gene seems to think buying an engine, gearbox and suspension from Ferrari means that he doesn't need to spend any money and Haas should be on Ferrari's tails. He can't be that naive can he? We all know Gene doesn't like spending money on the team. They're not even reaching the spending Cap.Moneygram signed because of GS. They'll be off.
Gene either stumps up the money or he goes. Either way, he's bringing nothing to F1, and undoubtedly, Andretti couid bring more.
Gene Haas “embarrassed” by his team’s poor F1 form
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gene-haas-embar...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gene-haas-embar...
carl_w said:
Gene Haas “embarrassed” by his team’s poor F1 form
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gene-haas-embar...
Sounds fighty.https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gene-haas-embar...
Although, claiming that as you have all the Ferrari bits that you'd expect the team to be on par is unfair of him to the point of downright ignorance, not like Alfa the *actual* ferrari jnr are that far away or that Williams, alpha tuari etc have been a problem for their title winning part suppliers. That's not how it works!
Promoting one of your key/best engineers to Team Principal because the team needs to have a more focused technical approach to solve its technical problems is an interesting one. By promoting from within you run the risk of taking one of the people most cable of solving the problem and giving them lots of additional responsibilities so they can no longer spend as much time solving the original problem. The key to whether this works out for Haas will be who gets appointed to the proposed European operation director roll and how Guenthers responsibilities are divided up between the two people who effectively replace him.
Ultimately there is a limit to the level of success the Haas out sourcing approach can achieve. What that level is I don't know, but with Alpha Tauri (or whatever they become), Williams and Sauber/Audi all investing in inhouse infrastructure I'd be concerned. Guenther suggested that simulation was one of the big areas he wanted to see investment. With budget caps and no in season testing surely simulation has to be a fundamental foundation for performance of any F1 team. Simulation guides your development and strategy. With Haas outsourcing much of its manufacturing surely that extends lead times and makes simulation even more important.
Ultimately there is a limit to the level of success the Haas out sourcing approach can achieve. What that level is I don't know, but with Alpha Tauri (or whatever they become), Williams and Sauber/Audi all investing in inhouse infrastructure I'd be concerned. Guenther suggested that simulation was one of the big areas he wanted to see investment. With budget caps and no in season testing surely simulation has to be a fundamental foundation for performance of any F1 team. Simulation guides your development and strategy. With Haas outsourcing much of its manufacturing surely that extends lead times and makes simulation even more important.
realjv said:
Promoting one of your key/best engineers to Team Principal because the team needs to have a more focused technical approach to solve its technical problems is an interesting one. By promoting from within you run the risk of taking one of the people most cable of solving the problem and giving them lots of additional responsibilities so they can no longer spend as much time solving the original problem.
Exactly what happened when Ferrari promoted Mattia Binottocarl_w said:
Gene Haas “embarrassed” by his team’s poor F1 form
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gene-haas-embar...
Everything he said makes sense and sounds quite fair to Gunther from his words, you'd have to agree with most of it but if they don't find a big chunk more resource/investment they will always end up 9th or 10th (or 11th if sense prevails in F1 and we get to see what Andretti can do). The cost of getting the aero package good enough to get into the top 3 (people and facilities cost) means they are probably doomed to be stuck at the back for ever unless they become a Ferrari B team which I think the rules would not even allow that to happen. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gene-haas-embar...
They could change the drivers, engines and team principal but they will still be at the back based on the current set up and rules.
Does Adrian Newey have any children if so they need to get them into their aero team asap!
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