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ChrisH72

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2,219 posts

53 months

Friday 3rd May
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VeeReihenmotor6 said:
How about looking at "MX5 Specialist Sales" local to you and going from there if worried about rust? I can't see a specialist selling a bad example.

For example these people are are local to me and have a wide selection:

https://pvctrading.co.uk/available-stock/

Even have a NC folding hard top, didn't realise they existed. Thought they were all soft top. £9990 with just 24k on it.

https://pvctrading.co.uk/portfolio-item/poa-2011-1...
Yes there are some places nearby who seem to specialise in the mx5.

cerb4.5lee

30,898 posts

181 months

Friday 3rd May
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ChrisH72 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
ChrisH72 said:
I like the way this JCW looks.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024042289...

But it's missing heated seats, drive modes, rear sensors which are all things I'd like. And no pan roof of course. And it's 8 years old with 3 owners for a fairly hefty price tag.

I'm not too keen on the pre face lift ones either. I like the Brexit lights on the later cars.
So you don't really like the way this one looks then?! hehe
Well, I like the colour and the wheels!
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I personally wouldn't compromise on the spec/car that you want, and something will more than likely pop up with pretty much everything you want at some stage anyway I reckon.

That one has too much of the "wants" that you'd like missing I think, but car searching can be a very frustrating affair granted though.


LightningBlue

530 posts

42 months

Friday 3rd May
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ChrisH72 said:
I like the way this JCW looks.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024042289...

But it's missing heated seats, drive modes, rear sensors which are all things I'd like. And no pan roof of course. And it's 8 years old with 3 owners for a fairly hefty price tag.

I'm not too keen on the pre face lift ones either. I like the Brexit lights on the later cars.
It does have drive modes. It looks nice but you can have a TT for that or an MX-5 RF which goes back to the type of car you wanted. Have you tried an MX-5 or TT? Or even a Toyota GT86?

ChrisH72

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2,219 posts

53 months

Friday 3rd May
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The red mini was just an example of how many of them come with poor spec. It seems that the approved used ones are the least well equipped too. Its not a car I'm interested in.

Not driven any of them yet. But it's nice to narrow things down a bit on paper. I don't think any of them will drive badly and I'm not sure a short test drive will reveal what a car is really like to live with.

I've considered the GT86. In the past I've had a Celica T sport and an mr2 roadster. I love the idea of a fast Toyota and I do think the 86 is a good looking car. It would work for me practicality wise too. But I don't think I can get past its flaws, especially given how expensive they seem to be.

a340driver

241 posts

156 months

Friday 3rd May
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Looking a prices now ...The answer is always E85 Z4 (2.0/2.5/3.0)

I'm biased in that I have a Z4M 3.2

But for cheap roadstering the 2.0 is a sweetspot and a great car!

ChrisH72

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2,219 posts

53 months

Saturday 4th May
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a340driver said:
Looking a prices now ...The answer is always E85 Z4 (2.0/2.5/3.0)

I'm biased in that I have a Z4M 3.2

But for cheap roadstering the 2.0 is a sweetspot and a great car!
Certainly cheap enough to buy although I always thought the 2.0 in these was to be avoided at all costs? The 6 pot versions are more appealing.

Too old for me though I'm afraid.


Halo in reverse

150 posts

108 months

Saturday 4th May
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Im a late comer to this thread but hopefully I can help a little.

Your position sounds very similar to mine in terms of car needs, similar “Im not driving xxx” wife constraints.

I’ve owned about 10 different Cabriolets / Roadsters over the past 20 years (Mini R52/59, Golf, A3, Boxster 986/987, Z3, MR2 mk1/2/3 and I’ve settled now on a Mazda MX5 ND and plan to keep it for the next 3/4 years.

Mine is an early (2016) ND 1.5 model and it’s fab and importantly it’s NOT riddled with rust, it’s not (yet) been under sealed or protected either. Hopefully that allays any concerns you have over an ND disappearing before you eyes by rust 😀.

You’ll be able to buy a decent example with your 10k budget.

Comparing it to the only other Roadster you’ve owned (MR2 mk3) I’d say it offers 85% of the fun driving performance. That said it completely trumps the MR2 with mod cons and interior build and style, plus it has a boot. The 1.5 engine is a gem, as is the gearbox, 45MPG…all better than the MR2 roadster. Low insurance and usual low MX5 running costs.

If you’re looking for more power than the 1.5 then you’re on the right track looking at the ND2 2.0 but that will up your budget by a fair margin. I drove both and picked the sensible 1.5 engine as it offered enough performance for me to have fun without breaking the speed limit (where can you really drive fast these days with the volume of traffic and pot holes everywhere)

BTW the fabric roof ND drops in seconds and is IMHO better then the RF as it’s suffers a lot from buffeting and with the top down (looks pretty though).

Finally my wife says her favourite of the Cabriolet/Roadster cars we’ve owned is the MX5 - she didn’t really express a view either way on the other but she loves the MX5!

Go with your heart, you’ll regret it if you don’t.

Happy car hunting and if you do decide to go the MX5 ND route check out the MX5 forums, a wealth of info on them and helpful members too.

ChrisH72

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2,219 posts

53 months

Saturday 4th May
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That's great info thanks.

I am still leaning towards the Mazda. Never owned an mx5 and it's one of those cars I think most petrol heads should have at some point.

Which forum do you suggest? I'm still signed up to mx5nutz from when I bought the mr2 as I had the same choice back then. But I know there's mx5oc too.

Budget isn't strictly 10k. I could spend double that on the right car but do question the need to. Also if things didn't work out a cheaper car will be easier to get out of without losing too much.

This morning I was reading lots of reviews which say the soft top is better than the RF with lots mentioning buffeting with the target roof down. Thing is for me, I do need a year round car and I have no garage so in the winter it will be frozen up in a morning when I leave for work. Not sure how much of an issue that is in the soft top? I never needed to use the mr2 in winter but remember it being frozen on the inside. Also, I do love a coupe. I'd imagine that I would drive with roof closed 80% of the time and only drop the top on really nice sunny days. Probably wouldn't be driving really fast top down either.

LightningBlue

530 posts

42 months

Saturday 4th May
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I read the MX-5 ND was designed around the 1.5l engine and the handling is slightly better with it. It’s probably perfectly suited to b roads and being able to rev it out, but what happens when you come up behind a slow driver in a Qashqai etc and want to pass? So many people floor it when you go for an overtake and I bet you’d run out of power and have to abort with that engine. I’d want the 2.0 to help and ideally the updated one with 184 bhp. They do look fantastic for 10 years on sale

cerb4.5lee

30,898 posts

181 months

Saturday 4th May
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LightningBlue said:
So many people floor it when you go for an overtake and I bet you’d run out of power and have to abort with that engine. I’d want the 2.0 to help and ideally the updated one with 184 bhp. They do look fantastic for 10 years on sale
I see this/get this a fair bit as well. It isn't a problem in the M4 because that is like a rocket in terms of overtakes, but I can get caught out a fair bit in the 370Z though. In the 370Z it is a bit more about how high your revs are in comparison, and if a turbo diesel or turbo petrol goes to floor it, then it gives me a bit of a problem as you say.

Shappers24

819 posts

87 months

Saturday 4th May
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ChrisH72 said:
I like the way this JCW looks.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024042289...

But it's missing heated seats, drive modes, rear sensors which are all things I'd like. And no pan roof of course. And it's 8 years old with 3 owners for a fairly hefty price tag.

I'm not too keen on the pre face lift ones either. I like the Brexit lights on the later cars.
That does have the drive modes - you can see it around the gear selector. But it is over priced. I picked up the LCI version with updated lights on a 2018 plate with only 34K on the clock for £14K in March this year . Benefit being it’s pre-opf so all the pops and bangs which I find hilarious. I’ve had many many cars in my time, gt86, supra, Nc Mx5, various mini’s, and the jcw F56 is by far the most fun to drive out of all of them.

On the roadster front… I’ve also got ‘08 Z4 for some top down fun with the 2.5si engine. Compared to my old Mx5 NC (which was also a 2008) it’s a much better car. Decent build quality, better engine, looks better (in my opinion) and less concerns about it rusting to pieces.

ChrisH72

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2,219 posts

53 months

Saturday 4th May
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cerb4.5lee said:
LightningBlue said:
So many people floor it when you go for an overtake and I bet you’d run out of power and have to abort with that engine. I’d want the 2.0 to help and ideally the updated one with 184 bhp. They do look fantastic for 10 years on sale
I see this/get this a fair bit as well. It isn't a problem in the M4 because that is like a rocket in terms of overtakes, but I can get caught out a fair bit in the 370Z though. In the 370Z it is a bit more about how high your revs are in comparison, and if a turbo diesel or turbo petrol goes to floor it, then it gives me a bit of a problem as you say.
There's always somebody with a faster car, especially with a lot of these huge EVs these days. I wouldn't pitch an mx5 against them in a straight line!

ChrisH72

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2,219 posts

53 months

Saturday 4th May
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Shappers24 said:
ChrisH72 said:
I like the way this JCW looks.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024042289...

But it's missing heated seats, drive modes, rear sensors which are all things I'd like. And no pan roof of course. And it's 8 years old with 3 owners for a fairly hefty price tag.

I'm not too keen on the pre face lift ones either. I like the Brexit lights on the later cars.
That does have the drive modes - you can see it around the gear selector. But it is over priced. I picked up the LCI version with updated lights on a 2018 plate with only 34K on the clock for £14K in March this year . Benefit being it’s pre-opf so all the pops and bangs which I find hilarious. I’ve had many many cars in my time, gt86, supra, Nc Mx5, various mini’s, and the jcw F56 is by far the most fun to drive out of all of them.

On the roadster front… I’ve also got ‘08 Z4 for some top down fun with the 2.5si engine. Compared to my old Mx5 NC (which was also a 2008) it’s a much better car. Decent build quality, better engine, looks better (in my opinion) and less concerns about it rusting to pieces.
I thought Mini drive modes were on the toggle switch to the far right of the start button but maybe that's just on the facelift cars?

I'm sure I'd enjoy a Mini. Might just be a bit similar to my Fiesta ST as far as driving goes. Only they cost considerably more than I'll get for the Ford.

Sticks.

8,803 posts

252 months

Saturday 4th May
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For me it's about agility and responsiveness rather than outright speed. My TT is a lot faster than my Z4, and a good car, but I know which one I'd drive for pleasure.

cerb4.5lee

30,898 posts

181 months

Saturday 4th May
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ChrisH72 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
LightningBlue said:
So many people floor it when you go for an overtake and I bet you’d run out of power and have to abort with that engine. I’d want the 2.0 to help and ideally the updated one with 184 bhp. They do look fantastic for 10 years on sale
I see this/get this a fair bit as well. It isn't a problem in the M4 because that is like a rocket in terms of overtakes, but I can get caught out a fair bit in the 370Z though. In the 370Z it is a bit more about how high your revs are in comparison, and if a turbo diesel or turbo petrol goes to floor it, then it gives me a bit of a problem as you say.
There's always somebody with a faster car, especially with a lot of these huge EVs these days. I wouldn't pitch an mx5 against them in a straight line!
Yes and even some of the bog standard EV stuff are quick initially as well.

Shappers24

819 posts

87 months

Saturday 4th May
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ChrisH72 said:
I thought Mini drive modes were on the toggle switch to the far right of the start button but maybe that's just on the facelift cars?

I'm sure I'd enjoy a Mini. Might just be a bit similar to my Fiesta ST as far as driving goes. Only they cost considerably more than I'll get for the Ford.
Just on the facelift. Pre facelift it has a switch around the bottom of the gearstick.

Panamax

4,135 posts

35 months

Saturday 4th May
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Sticks. said:
For me it's about agility and responsiveness rather than outright speed.
...especially in a roadster. It's all a bit masochistic to charge about at high speed with the roof down. Can't resist a chuckle when I see the occasional brave soul "roof down" at motorway speeds. It's why the electric folding roof was invented.

In addition, electric roof is particularly well suited for the UK climate. In an unexpected shower some clunky convertibles can be about as much fun as erecting a tent on a wet camping holiday.

Halo in reverse

150 posts

108 months

Saturday 4th May
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Panamax said:
In an unexpected shower some clunky convertibles can be about as much fun as erecting a tent on a wet camping holiday.
I agree, luckily in the ND fabric roof it takes me about 4 or 5 seconds to drop/ raise the roof. No heavy motors and complex mechanisms to go wrong.

Halo in reverse

150 posts

108 months

Saturday 4th May
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ChrisH72 said:
Which forum do you suggest? I'm still signed up to mx5nutz from when I bought the mr2 as I had the same choice back then. But I know there's mx5oc too.


This morning I was reading lots of reviews which say the soft top is better than the RF with lots mentioning buffeting with the target roof down. Thing is for me, I do need a year round car and I have no garage so in the winter it will be frozen up in a morning when I leave for work. Not sure how much of an issue that is in the soft top? I never needed to use the mr2 in winter but remember it being frozen on the inside. Also, I do love a coupe. I'd imagine that I would drive with roof closed 80% of the time and only drop the top on really nice sunny days. Probably wouldn't be driving really fast top down either.
I regularly visit both MX5 forums but find the OC more oriented towards ND but that may be just me.

I use my ND daily and whilst I have a garage it’s too full of “man stuff” to go in it ??. I’ve had no problems with it being frozen on the inside after a heavy frost, heated seats work well too so nice and toasty.


Sounds like a decent 2.0 ND RF in Soul Crystal Red is out there somewhere with your name on it.

Wacky Racer

38,237 posts

248 months

Saturday 4th May
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ChrisH72 said:
That is lovely.
Thank you.

It is completely rust free and as new, even under the bonnet, if you take your time and get a top low mileage example for around 8k, you should be able to run it for five years and get most of your money back. The hood is fantastic, up and down in four/five seconds and 100% waterproof unlike the faffing about on my last two Morgans,

Not sure about ND's, but I would imagine something similar.