EV used prices (bottom of the market?)

EV used prices (bottom of the market?)

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SWoll

18,512 posts

259 months

Thursday 2nd May
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T_S_M said:
I'd imagine they do, but do the rear seats fold down?

I'm starting to consider a used M3 Performance to replace my E-tron but think I might miss the big boot/practicality.
They do indeed.

We went from a Model 3 Performance to an etron 55. The model 3 boot is pretty practical and has a deep well that is very useful, plus a decent sized "frunk" so is actually far more practical than you might think looking at it.

My only advice would be to avoid the Performance mode and get an LR. You get very little additional performance in reality but a consideraly worse ride + range and alloy wheels that are made of chocolate. Not worth the additional outlay IME.

The brand new one with different bumpers, sports seats, adaptive ride, staggered wheels etc. makes a lot more sense as genuined sets it apart.

LowTread

4,372 posts

225 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Start with a LR and avoid the performance model would be my advice.

If you need more oomph then £1500 gets you the performance boost upgrade which then puts it half way between a LR and a performance model.

Mr E

21,713 posts

260 months

Thursday 2nd May
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I smoked about in a LR + performance boost for a few weeks. It was absurdly rapid for a daily. I cannot imagine needing any more in a family bus.

smn159

12,768 posts

218 months

Saturday 4th May
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sunnyb13 said:
smn159 said:
sunnyb13 said:
VED savings will be non existent from next year
Yeah mine goes up from £0 to £20
£200 maybe
Nope, £20

Sheepshanks

32,887 posts

120 months

Saturday 4th May
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JackJarvis said:
jonflat2 said:
a little town runaround (school run / shopping).
Is a Model 3 really what you need for that?
That’s my issue with Model 3 - it’s just too big for what we want it for ( daughter bopping about with young family). I know PHers hate them, but the SUV format works better - Kia Niro is just about perfect size, but they’re not without issues and the previous model looks very old now compared to the new shape.

Sheepshanks

32,887 posts

120 months

Saturday 4th May
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ChocolateFrog said:
…..10x cheaper running costs….
How are you working out running costs at a tenth of ICE? I’ve been reckoning on a fifth (in summer).

sixor8

6,313 posts

269 months

Saturday 4th May
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All cars (not just EVs) currently in band A (sub 100g/km) and registered before 01/04/17 will pay £20 annual VED from 2025.

mcm87

112 posts

134 months

Saturday 4th May
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I’m aware this is likely contributing to the depreciation, so I shouldn’t complain too much and perhaps need to just swallow it.

I regularly check in on the facelift Model S and leggy Model 3s. They’re well within my budget now, but whenever I get so far as getting an insurance quote it’s eye watering. My incumbent provider has even declined to quote, despite having other EVs with them previously.

If this starts to drop I would be straight in the market for one.

riskyj

328 posts

81 months

Saturday 4th May
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mcm87 said:
I’m aware this is likely contributing to the depreciation, so I shouldn’t complain too much and perhaps need to just swallow it.

I regularly check in on the facelift Model S and leggy Model 3s. They’re well within my budget now, but whenever I get so far as getting an insurance quote it’s eye watering. My incumbent provider has even declined to quote, despite having other EVs with them previously.

If this starts to drop I would be straight in the market for one.
Perversely im getting cheaper quotes on a Performance model 3 (c.£750) compared to the standard and long ranges (closer to £1000)

By comparison an ev6 is about £550 and a cupra born is £400

SWoll

18,512 posts

259 months

Saturday 4th May
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Sheepshanks said:
ChocolateFrog said:
…..10x cheaper running costs….
How are you working out running costs at a tenth of ICE? I’ve been reckoning on a fifth (in summer).
Depends on what cars you are comparing of course.

if you take Octopus go as an example EV tariff it's 7.5p kWh. In an EV capable of 3.5 miles/kWh after charging losses that's 2p per mile.

Petrol is £.1.47 a litre at present, so a car averaging 35MPG is costing 19p per mile. A diesel doing 45MPG at £1.55 a litre is 16p per mile.

A lot closer to 10x than 5x either way, and that's before getting into potential additional VED and servicing costs?


riskyj

328 posts

81 months

Saturday 4th May
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smn159 said:
I just bought a Model S for under £15k. Everything works and 220 miles on a full charge. It's a lot of car for the money

Presumably this is coming up to the end of any warranty period for the battery now, if it hasn’t already ended. Any concerns on this?

Continually torn between an old and leggier Model S which is presumably a nicer place to sit, or a newer 3 which would probably still have some battery warranty left.

Edited by riskyj on Saturday 4th May 08:42

smn159

12,768 posts

218 months

Saturday 4th May
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riskyj said:
smn159 said:
I just bought a Model S for under £15k. Everything works and 220 miles on a full charge. It's a lot of car for the money

Presumably this is coming up to the end of any warranty period for the battery now, if it hasn’t already ended. Any concerns on this?

Continually torn between an old and leggier Model S which is presumably a nicer place to sit, or a newer 3 which would probably still have some battery warranty left.

Edited by riskyj on Saturday 4th May 08:42
It's still in warranty for the battery until November and in terms of degradation it's exactly in line with the rest of the Tesla fleet for its age at 8%. The risk of battery failure is there, but I understand that there are options around repair that can avoid complete replacement, maybe similar risk to a higher end ICE car blowing up its engine.

I wouldn't say that it concerns me greatly and as you say, it's a nice place to sit for the money. I like the car a lot

smn159

12,768 posts

218 months

Saturday 4th May
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sunnyb13 said:
New zero-emission cars registered on or after 1 April 2025 will be liable to pay the lowest first-year rate of VED (which applies to vehicles with CO2 emissions 1 to 50g/km) currently £10 a year.

From the second year of registration onwards, they will move to the standard rate, currently £190 a year

Zero emission cars first registered between 1 April 2017 and 31 March 2025 will also pay the standard rate
Now read what it says about 2016 cars, as the picture clearly shows that mine is.

Apology accepted.

Mr E

21,713 posts

260 months

Saturday 4th May
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SWoll said:
Depends on what cars you are comparing of course.

if you take Octopus go as an example EV tariff it's 7.5p kWh. In an EV capable of 3.5 miles/kWh after charging losses that's 2p per mile.

Petrol is £.1.47 a litre at present, so a car averaging 35MPG is costing 19p per mile. A diesel doing 45MPG at £1.55 a litre is 16p per mile.

A lot closer to 10x than 5x either way, and that's before getting into potential additional VED and servicing costs?
I’ve just looked. The Tesla is averaging 273 watt hours per mile (over the last 20k miles, so we’ll assume that’s a good average)

That’s 3.66 miles a KWh. I charge at 7.5p per KWh (actually, quite a lot was free but let’s ignore that)

That’s 2p a mile in “fuel”.

The Mercedes the Tesla replaced averaged 24mpg over ~40k miles and liked super unleaded. Curently ~160p a litre. So 30p a mile in fuel alone. It was 600 quid a year to tax and I didn’t get many services less than 500 quid.

The Tesla is significantly faster most of the time.