Official 2024 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**

[TheDeuce]

ajprice said:

TheDeuce said:

He actually has left, effectively.

He's no longer allowed to see car data, work on new parts for the car or have any involvement in race engineering or setup. As confirmed by Horner - who does generally lie but I can't quite see why he would lie in this instance.

Newey, is gone - other than the RB17 hypercar, which is a commercial project outside of F1 as a sport.

However, the people in place at RBR are more than capable of maintaining the advantage the car currently enjoys for the rest of this season and most likely next season - assuming they don't mess around too much with what works in Newey's absence.

What would the timeline be for designing the 2025 car?

Already well underway I imagine - at least in the various designers minds, although it's bound to change and evolve as they continue to learn from track time with this years car.

ETA: And to the learn from what McLaren and Ferrari are evolving and adding. That's an aspect where I imagine it's useful to have a Newey, to take a step back and appreciate the logic and wisdom of what others are up to, ahead of nicking it and improving it for your own car.

Edited by TheDeuce on Tuesday 14th May 14:42

[Still Mulling]

CanoeSniffer said:

hondajack85 said:

You have to hand it to Italy for loving motosport more than most. This Imola track is pretty much in town. Monza, a Pleasant walk from Milan.
Meanwhile the UK has tracks tucked away miles from anywhere worth being.
Mind you Formula E has a race around some east london exhibition centre which somehow manages to be hoplessly uninteresting.
A reminder of how crap an F1 street race in london would be.
So sad.
The royal incubent should bulldoze one of the royal parks and make a venue for F1.

Unfortunately in the UK the power of NIMBY is pretty strong and the tracks really suffer as a result. However after a few years racing I still feel that we’re pretty blessed with our variety of circuits, when you consider how many tracks we have for such a small amount of space we’re doing well. Some are small and facilities lacking, but for saloon or touring car racing they all offer something. Maybe not F1 worthy but Silverstone, which is a wonderful F1 venue, is pretty much the most boring track in the country in anything else. I raced the GP layout last year in a car with 406hp and felt like I’d need double the amount for the track to actually come alive! As long as we have one premier venue for the F1 I personally think we’re actually better off with a variety of small and quirky tracks such as Cadwell, Combe, Oulton etc.

Yep. And our nascent motorsport industry grew due to the amount of racing based at then-disused airstrips, which tend to be large and bleak. I'd say we have a pretty good selection now, for so many different forms of motorsport.

[richhead]

CanoeSniffer said:

Unfortunately in the UK the power of NIMBY is pretty strong and the tracks really suffer as a result. However after a few years racing I still feel that we’re pretty blessed with our variety of circuits, when you consider how many tracks we have for such a small amount of space we’re doing well. Some are small and facilities lacking, but for saloon or touring car racing they all offer something. Maybe not F1 worthy but Silverstone, which is a wonderful F1 venue, is pretty much the most boring track in the country in anything else. I raced the GP layout last year in a car with 406hp and felt like I’d need double the amount for the track to actually come alive! As long as we have one premier venue for the F1 I personally think we’re actually better off with a variety of small and quirky tracks such as Cadwell, Combe, Oulton etc.

very much agree, F1 has ruined silverstone as a drivers track, there are many better in the country.

[richhead]

TheDeuce said:

He actually has left, effectively.

He's no longer allowed to see car data, work on new parts for the car or have any involvement in race engineering or setup. As confirmed by Horner - who does generally lie but I can't quite see why he would lie in this instance.

Newey, is gone - other than the RB17 hypercar, which is a commercial project outside of F1 as a sport.

However, the people in place at RBR are more than capable of maintaining the advantage the car currently enjoys for the rest of this season and most likely next season - assuming they don't mess around too much with what works in Newey's absence.

sorry didnt know you worked for rb

[suffolk009]

CanoeSniffer said:

Unfortunately in the UK the power of NIMBY is pretty strong and the tracks really suffer as a result. However after a few years racing I still feel that we’re pretty blessed with our variety of circuits, when you consider how many tracks we have for such a small amount of space we’re doing well. Some are small and facilities lacking, but for saloon or touring car racing they all offer something. Maybe not F1 worthy but Silverstone, which is a wonderful F1 venue, is pretty much the most boring track in the country in anything else. I raced the GP layout last year in a car with 406hp and felt like I’d need double the amount for the track to actually come alive! As long as we have one premier venue for the F1 I personally think we’re actually better off with a variety of small and quirky tracks such as Cadwell, Combe, Oulton etc.

In the late 90s/early 00s I used to do trackdays in my Caterham 7 Superlight. The Nurburgring was exhausting, Spa was brilliant, Snetterton great for a first ever track, Brands GP was epic, but Silverstone (a much older layout) was utterly dull. I only did that one once.

[paulguitar]

suffolk009 said:

In the late 90s/early 00s I used to do trackdays in my Caterham 7 Superlight. The Nurburgring was exhausting, Spa was brilliant, Snetterton great for a first ever track, Brands GP was epic, but Silverstone (a much older layout) was utterly dull. I only did that one once.

I did a Caterham day at a very wet Silverstone and really enjoyed it.

I even managed a spin at Stowe.

[TheDeuce]

richhead said:

TheDeuce said:

He actually has left, effectively.

He's no longer allowed to see car data, work on new parts for the car or have any involvement in race engineering or setup. As confirmed by Horner - who does generally lie but I can't quite see why he would lie in this instance.

Newey, is gone - other than the RB17 hypercar, which is a commercial project outside of F1 as a sport.

However, the people in place at RBR are more than capable of maintaining the advantage the car currently enjoys for the rest of this season and most likely next season - assuming they don't mess around too much with what works in Newey's absence.

sorry didnt know you worked for rb

I do!

Or... I can read what RBR have said regards Newey being cut out of future development..

[Derek Smith]

CanoeSniffer said:

hondajack85 said:

You have to hand it to Italy for loving motosport more than most. This Imola track is pretty much in town. Monza, a Pleasant walk from Milan.
Meanwhile the UK has tracks tucked away miles from anywhere worth being.
Mind you Formula E has a race around some east london exhibition centre which somehow manages to be hoplessly uninteresting.
A reminder of how crap an F1 street race in london would be.
So sad.
The royal incubent should bulldoze one of the royal parks and make a venue for F1.

Unfortunately in the UK the power of NIMBY is pretty strong and the tracks really suffer as a result. However after a few years racing I still feel that we’re pretty blessed with our variety of circuits, when you consider how many tracks we have for such a small amount of space we’re doing well. Some are small and facilities lacking, but for saloon or touring car racing they all offer something. Maybe not F1 worthy but Silverstone, which is a wonderful F1 venue, is pretty much the most boring track in the country in anything else. I raced the GP layout last year in a car with 406hp and felt like I’d need double the amount for the track to actually come alive! As long as we have one premier venue for the F1 I personally think we’re actually better off with a variety of small and quirky tracks such as Cadwell, Combe, Oulton etc.

A friend's uncle had a self-build that abutted the perimeter fence of the GP circuit at Brands. My friend called in one race day and I felt obliged to go along. All he did was complain of the noise, and the fact that 'thousands' of motorcyclists rode along the A20 on motorcycle race days. He became an organiser of the anti-Brands campaign, suggesting that they build it elsewhere, the irony escaping him. The fact that visitors to the circuit are not allowed to cough before 10am being down to him and his ilk.

[CanoeSniffer]

Derek Smith said:

A friend's uncle had a self-build that abutted the perimeter fence of the GP circuit at Brands. My friend called in one race day and I felt obliged to go along. All he did was complain of the noise, and the fact that 'thousands' of motorcyclists rode along the A20 on motorcycle race days. He became an organiser of the anti-Brands campaign, suggesting that they build it elsewhere, the irony escaping him. The fact that visitors to the circuit are not allowed to cough before 10am being down to him and his ilk.

I’ll keep my thoughts to myself! What a shame about Brands GP being so limited, I’ve raced it twice now and it’s utterly wonderful. Unfortunately UK race calendars have basically become ‘Brands Indy, Snetterton, Donington, Silverstone + 2/3 others’ as those 4 are the ones that seem to (mostly) escape the wrath of the neighbours and so are guaranteed on pretty much everyone’s calendar every year without fail. As a result I wait in keen anticipation for the 2/3 others whilst those circuits have become almost a bit boring. At this point weirdly I get more excited for a trip to Mallory (oval+hairpin, that’s about it) than I am for Donners which is actually a technically challenging and brilliant circuit, just because I’ve only been to Mallory once but I feel like I could do Donners blindfolded.

Edited by CanoeSniffer on Tuesday 14th May 18:23

Edited by CanoeSniffer on Tuesday 14th May 18:23

[richhead]

TheDeuce said:

richhead said:

TheDeuce said:

He actually has left, effectively.

He's no longer allowed to see car data, work on new parts for the car or have any involvement in race engineering or setup. As confirmed by Horner - who does generally lie but I can't quite see why he would lie in this instance.

Newey, is gone - other than the RB17 hypercar, which is a commercial project outside of F1 as a sport.

However, the people in place at RBR are more than capable of maintaining the advantage the car currently enjoys for the rest of this season and most likely next season - assuming they don't mess around too much with what works in Newey's absence.

sorry didnt know you worked for rb

I do!

Or... I can read what RBR have said regards Newey being cut out of future development..

so you dont know other than what the press say

[TheDeuce]

richhead said:

TheDeuce said:

richhead said:

TheDeuce said:

He actually has left, effectively.

He's no longer allowed to see car data, work on new parts for the car or have any involvement in race engineering or setup. As confirmed by Horner - who does generally lie but I can't quite see why he would lie in this instance.

Newey, is gone - other than the RB17 hypercar, which is a commercial project outside of F1 as a sport.

However, the people in place at RBR are more than capable of maintaining the advantage the car currently enjoys for the rest of this season and most likely next season - assuming they don't mess around too much with what works in Newey's absence.

sorry didnt know you worked for rb

I do!

Or... I can read what RBR have said regards Newey being cut out of future development..

so you dont know other than what the press say

You're a special one - excellent choice of username at least!

I know what Christian Horner has said - his words aren't a matter of speculation: "Adrian's focus is very much on the RB17 (Red Bull's hypercar, ed.)," Christian Horner says. "He’s not sat in any briefings over the weekend other than the race strategy and he has no access to any data. He's not drawing any parts. His focus is now very much on RB17 to the end of his contract."

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/274979/role-newey-r...

It's perfectly normal to cut him out given that he's almost certainly about to move to their closest competitor.

[richhead]

TheDeuce said:

richhead said:

TheDeuce said:

richhead said:

TheDeuce said:

He actually has left, effectively.

He's no longer allowed to see car data, work on new parts for the car or have any involvement in race engineering or setup. As confirmed by Horner - who does generally lie but I can't quite see why he would lie in this instance.

Newey, is gone - other than the RB17 hypercar, which is a commercial project outside of F1 as a sport.

However, the people in place at RBR are more than capable of maintaining the advantage the car currently enjoys for the rest of this season and most likely next season - assuming they don't mess around too much with what works in Newey's absence.

sorry didnt know you worked for rb

I do!

Or... I can read what RBR have said regards Newey being cut out of future development..

so you dont know other than what the press say

You're a special one - excellent choice of username at least!

I know what Christian Horner has said - his words aren't a matter of speculation: "Adrian's focus is very much on the RB17 (Red Bull's hypercar, ed.)," Christian Horner says. "He’s not sat in any briefings over the weekend other than the race strategy and he has no access to any data. He's not drawing any parts. His focus is now very much on RB17 to the end of his contract."

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/274979/role-newey-r...

It's perfectly normal to cut him out given that he's almost certainly about to move to their closest competitor.

thank you for that insult, i dont really follow f1, sportscars is my thing and my job. but i i always am interested in all things motorsport, and yes i did work in f1 an age ago.
i was just asking if you had inside information.
most f1 teams know exactly what the other teams are doing, not trying to start a argument but genuinely would be useful if you have inside info.

[PhilAsia]

richhead said:

TheDeuce said:

richhead said:

TheDeuce said:

richhead said:

TheDeuce said:

He actually has left, effectively.

He's no longer allowed to see car data, work on new parts for the car or have any involvement in race engineering or setup. As confirmed by Horner - who does generally lie but I can't quite see why he would lie in this instance.

Newey, is gone - other than the RB17 hypercar, which is a commercial project outside of F1 as a sport.

However, the people in place at RBR are more than capable of maintaining the advantage the car currently enjoys for the rest of this season and most likely next season - assuming they don't mess around too much with what works in Newey's absence.

sorry didnt know you worked for rb

I do!

Or... I can read what RBR have said regards Newey being cut out of future development..

so you dont know other than what the press say

You're a special one - excellent choice of username at least!

I know what Christian Horner has said - his words aren't a matter of speculation: "Adrian's focus is very much on the RB17 (Red Bull's hypercar, ed.)," Christian Horner says. "He’s not sat in any briefings over the weekend other than the race strategy and he has no access to any data. He's not drawing any parts. His focus is now very much on RB17 to the end of his contract."

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/274979/role-newey-r...

It's perfectly normal to cut him out given that he's almost certainly about to move to their closest competitor.

thank you for that insult, i dont really follow f1, sportscars is my thing and my job. but i i always am interested in all things motorsport, and yes i did work in f1 an age ago.
i was just asking if you had inside information.
most f1 teams know exactly what the other teams are doing, not trying to start a argument but genuinely would be useful if you have inside info.

Deuce has made it very clear on many of his posts what he does for a living, so your initial response to his post seems like it could be a slight. He did not even claim the source was his, although having met Geri, he may well have insider information.

Where's the WhatsApp messages Deuce? We really really want to know. Where's my pitchfork?

[Supersam83]

[hondajack85]

We seem to live in this ludicrous world where london football grounds disrupt everyone ,what with the drunken chanting slobs attending to capacity at 100s of events a year.
The only time F1 gets mention is some imbecile scheme to run it around the streets. Imagine the distruption of closing off so many roads for a week?
What the need to do is lay a pinball smooth track somewhere like hyde park. Grandstands can be temporarily brought in for the weekend.
F1 gets its claptrap city background shots. No distruption beyond what happens when a football match is on.
King makes it happen in a glimpse of the amount of power he actually has.
We could have 2 F1 races in multi f1 team UK like wot the 1 team Italians have.
Clapton,collins and sting concerts wont be forever so we need to find a new use for hyde park.
Anyway to stay on topic, Imola.

[suffolk009]

hondajack85 said:

We seem to live in this ludicrous world where london football grounds disrupt everyone ,what with the drunken chanting slobs attending to capacity at 100s of events a year.
The only time F1 gets mention is some imbecile scheme to run it around the streets. Imagine the distruption of closing off so many roads for a week?
What the need to do is lay a pinball smooth track somewhere like hyde park. Grandstands can be temporarily brought in for the weekend.
F1 gets its claptrap city background shots. No distruption beyond what happens when a football match is on.
King makes it happen in a glimpse of the amount of power he actually has.
We could have 2 F1 races in multi f1 team UK like wot the 1 team Italians have.
Clapton,collins and sting concerts wont be forever so we need to find a new use for hyde park.
Anyway to stay on topic, Imola.

Up Park Lane, around (or through!) Marble Arch, out west on North Carriage Drive, then turn left through Hyde Park and over the Serpentine Bridge, back east alongside the A315, loop around Hyde Park Corner and then back up Park Lane. Google maps thinks about 3 miles.

[matrignano]

suffolk009 said:

Up Park Lane, around (or through!) Marble Arch, out west on North Carriage Drive, then turn left through Hyde Park and over the Serpentine Bridge, back east alongside the A315, loop around Hyde Park Corner and then back up Park Lane. Google maps thinks about 3 miles.

Great idea!

Sadik can repurpose the COVID-era cycle lanes on Park Lane that nobody uses and have the F1 cars driver there, while regular passenger cars can keep stationary on the one remaining “car” lane thus causing no disruption to cwr traffic in that part of London.

[another 3 points]

Thundery rain showers for Sunday afternoon. Don’t suppose FIA will do the sensible thing and race on Saturday afternoon ?

[Supersam83]

[thegreenhell]

another 3 points said:

Thundery rain showers for Sunday afternoon. Don’t suppose FIA will do the sensible thing and race on Saturday afternoon ?

Don't suppose the FIA will do the sensible thing and let them race whatever the weather.