Teacher guilty of sex with two boys

[Fermit]

bhstewie said:

Not sure why "victim" is in quotes.

Pretty sure some of the girls in Rotherham and other victims of sexual abuse did too by so by your definition presumably they aren't victims either.

There's a huge difference, as you well know. The Rotherham child sex abuse scandal included gang rape, children being forced to watch rape, dousing them with petrol and threatening to set them on fire, threatening to rape their mothers and younger sisters, as well as trafficking them out to other towns.

Yes, she's a wrong un, no question there, but the lad returning as many times as he did suggests there was no force, and he was having a great time, up until the time he decided he wasn't.

[Dingu]

Probably unsurprising that a forum which leans right has defenders of someone having sex with children.

[Rufus Stone]

Fermit said:

Yes, she's a wrong un, no question there, but the lad returning as many times as he did suggests there was no force, and he was having a great time, up until the time he decided he wasn't.

I respectfully suggest you don't know what you are talking about.

[bitchstewie]

Fermit said:

There's a huge difference, as you well know. The Rotherham child sex abuse scandal included gang rape, children being forced to watch rape, dousing them with petrol and threatening to set them on fire, threatening to rape their mothers and younger sisters, as well as trafficking them out to other towns.

Yes, she's a wrong un, no question there, but the lad returning as many times as he did suggests there was no force, and he was having a great time, up until the time he decided he wasn't.

It's one example and as with others it also involved children being plied with gifts and made to feel special.

They must have been having a great time because they went back right?

You seem to think it's a bit different when it's a woman doing it and the gift is a nice Gucci belt.

Christ.

[Fermit]

Rufus Stone said:

Fermit said:

Yes, she's a wrong un, no question there, but the lad returning as many times as he did suggests there was no force, and he was having a great time, up until the time he decided he wasn't.

I respectfully suggest you don't know what you are talking about.

OK, enlighten me. I haven't witnessed the whole case, all of the evidence, only the bits the mainstream media wish to report. I repeat, she's a wrong-un, ZERO excuse for her behaviour, she broke the law, and she needs to take whatever punishment is going to come her way. If he's returning to her again and again for sex (presumably) under no duress or force, how is he not a willing participant? If there was duress, blackmail, whatever, then of course, that entirely changes the scenario.

To repeat. There is no excuse for her part in things. Sex with a 15 year old when you're well in to adulthood AND your their teacher is morally wrong, and illegal, and she deserves whatever is coming to her.

Edited by Fermit on Saturday 18th May 09:39

[Stick Legs]

Dingu said:

Probably unsurprising that a forum which leans right has defenders of someone having sex with children.

FFS.

[Greendubber]

Fermit said:

Her behaviour show's all the hall marks of grooming, however, the 'victim' in question was more than happy to go back for more, 29 times.

Get out.

[Getragdogleg]

bhstewie said:

Fermit said:

There's a huge difference, as you well know. The Rotherham child sex abuse scandal included gang rape, children being forced to watch rape, dousing them with petrol and threatening to set them on fire, threatening to rape their mothers and younger sisters, as well as trafficking them out to other towns.

Yes, she's a wrong un, no question there, but the lad returning as many times as he did suggests there was no force, and he was having a great time, up until the time he decided he wasn't.

It's one example and as with others it also involved children being plied with gifts and made to feel special.

They must have been having a great time because they went back right?

You seem to think it's a bit different when it's a woman doing it and the gift is a nice Gucci belt.

Christ.

Who complained or brought it to the attention of the police ? was it the child who had had enough or was it a parent/the school or another party who thought it wasn't right ?

I agree she is in the wrong just in case this is not clear. but as with all cases the details reveal the severity. They may have been having a great time and it was only stopped because someone else complained...

[irc]

Getragdogleg said:

Who complained or brought it to the attention of the police ? was it the child who had had enough or was it a parent/the school or another party who thought it wasn't right ?

I agree she is in the wrong just in case this is not clear. but as with all cases the details reveal the severity. They may have been having a great time and it was only stopped because someone else complained...

Child B estimated they had sex about 30 times according to The Times. So it does look a bit like that. Not that there is any justification for the teacher.

[Rufus Stone]

Fermit said:

OK, enlighten me. I haven't witnessed the whole case, all of the evidence, only the bits the mainstream media wish to report. I repeat, she's a wrong-un, ZERO excuse for her behaviour, she broke the law, and she needs to take whatever punishment is going to come her way. If he's returning to her again and again for sex (presumably) under no duress or force, how is he not a willing participant? If there was duress, blackmail, whatever, then of course, that entirely changes the scenario.

To repeat. There is no excuse for her part in things. Sex with a 15 year old when you're well in to adulthood AND your their teacher is morally wrong, and illegal, and she deserves whatever is coming to her.

Edited by Fermit on Saturday 18th May 09:39

Look at it this way, does a spouse that is beaten enjoy it because they apparently keep going back for more?

[BigMon]

irc said:

Getragdogleg said:

Who complained or brought it to the attention of the police ? was it the child who had had enough or was it a parent/the school or another party who thought it wasn't right ?

I agree she is in the wrong just in case this is not clear. but as with all cases the details reveal the severity. They may have been having a great time and it was only stopped because someone else complained...

Child B estimated they had sex about 30 times according to The Times. So it does look a bit like that. Not that there is any justification for the teacher.

As I said above, she was having sex with a child.

It doesn't matter if they were all having a great time or not.

Unless you're trying to differentiate between whether she was raping them, it still comes back to having sex with a child.

[Castrol for a knave]

Make an interesting venn diagram of posters who say "get in son" and then outraged and pearl clutching on the Philip Schofield thread

[Mr Penguin]

irc said:

Child B estimated they had sex about 30 times according to The Times. So it does look a bit like that. Not that there is any justification for the teacher.

He probably did enjoy it but that doesn't mean it is right or that he understands the implications.

Crack addicts enjoy crack but it's still bad for them in the long run.

[bitchstewie]

Getragdogleg said:

Who complained or brought it to the attention of the police ? was it the child who had had enough or was it a parent/the school or another party who thought it wasn't right ?

I agree she is in the wrong just in case this is not clear. but as with all cases the details reveal the severity. They may have been having a great time and it was only stopped because someone else complained...

If you look at lots of examples of cases of child abuse I'm pretty sure you could apply the "free will" and "they went back for more" test you and Fermit seem to be applying.

It doesn't change what it is it just means the victim (not in quotes) didn't realise what it was at the time.

I know this is PistonHeads so there will be loads of "when I was a kid my fingers always smelled of older women and it made me for life" stories that are really definitely true but teachers shagging kids really isn't right.

Look at the number of posters on here who think this is fine because this is a boy but don't seem able to say that they'd be as calm about it if it was their 15 year old daughter getting nailed by her 30 year old male science teacher and you can see the strange double standard being applied.

Even if their daughter kept going back for more which clearly meant she fking loved what he was doing to her the "lucky girl".

[Internetexplorer]

Rufus Stone said:

Electro1980 said:

Definitions change. Language changes. Going in to every thread where someone uses the term paedophile to describe someone who sexually abused children to argue a technicality about ages is weird behaviour.

And criticising someone for pointing out the correct definition isn't I suppose.

Looks like Paedo definition is pre pubescent children - so it’s wrong in this case as it was for Prince Andrew allegedly banging a 17 y/o brass.

Is it not statutory rape given boys were under age of consent?

[TheJimi]

Rufus Stone said:

Fermit said:

OK, enlighten me. I haven't witnessed the whole case, all of the evidence, only the bits the mainstream media wish to report. I repeat, she's a wrong-un, ZERO excuse for her behaviour, she broke the law, and she needs to take whatever punishment is going to come her way. If he's returning to her again and again for sex (presumably) under no duress or force, how is he not a willing participant? If there was duress, blackmail, whatever, then of course, that entirely changes the scenario.

To repeat. There is no excuse for her part in things. Sex with a 15 year old when you're well in to adulthood AND your their teacher is morally wrong, and illegal, and she deserves whatever is coming to her.

Edited by Fermit on Saturday 18th May 09:39

Look at it this way, does a spouse that is beaten enjoy it because they apparently keep going back for more?

I don't necessarily disagree with your position, but I don't think that's a particularly good analogy to support your argument.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Dingu said:

Probably unsurprising that a forum which leans right has defenders of someone having sex with children.

In the minority. I find it repellent and I see it exactly the same as a male teacher to a child. It's drummed into Student teachers from the start. It's jailtime.

[Getragdogleg]

bhstewie said:

Getragdogleg said:

Who complained or brought it to the attention of the police ? was it the child who had had enough or was it a parent/the school or another party who thought it wasn't right ?

I agree she is in the wrong just in case this is not clear. but as with all cases the details reveal the severity. They may have been having a great time and it was only stopped because someone else complained...

If you look at lots of examples of cases of child abuse I'm pretty sure you could apply the "free will" and "they went back for more" test you and Fermit seem to be applying.

It doesn't change what it is it just means the victim (not in quotes) didn't realise what it was at the time.

I know this is PistonHeads so there will be loads of "when I was a kid my fingers always smelled of older women and it made me for life" stories that are really definitely true but teachers shagging kids really isn't right.

Look at the number of posters on here who think this is fine because this is a boy but don't seem able to say that they'd be as calm about it if it was their 15 year old daughter getting nailed by her 30 year old male science teacher and you can see the strange double standard being applied.

Even if their daughter kept going back for more which clearly meant she fking loved what he was doing to her the "lucky girl".

God Damn it, I 100% agree she was in the wrong because of her position as a teacher.

I have stated that many times.

[bitchstewie]

"They may have been having a great time and it was only stopped because someone else complained".

[Getragdogleg]

bhstewie said:

"They may have been having a great time and it was only stopped because someone else complained".

Yes, that only really has any influence on if they are victims who were abused or if they were willing and are now sad its all over.

In a hypothetical case where she was not a school teacher and the lads were 16 years old this would not be a case at all.

The lines we as a society draw are necessary but the reality is often more nuanced.

I know a lady who I went to school with who was sexually active at 14, she was fully in charge and sought it out, I know another who was not ready for sex until her 30s. the world is not equal.

Of course where you are in the world also has a bearing on legality so 16 here is 18 in the US and younger in other places.