Evolution - is it real?

[otolith]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

It's survival of the fittest within a certain species. So a strong fast cheetah is more likely to live long enough to pass its genes on than a weaker, slightly slower cheetah.

Possibly, possibly not. If both cheetahs are fast enough to catch prey, one of them is carrying excess unneeded muscle mass which does not come free of cost. Fittest is most optimal, not necessarily fastest or strongest.

[MDMA .]

otolith said:

Next week - Australia, does it really exist?

Unfortunately, it does. But you will find a lot of the missing links there. Close to Perth is a good place to start.

[Eric Mc]

MYOB said:

I'm not convinced by evolution.

There used to be people that were convinced the earth wasn't flat. They were subsequently proven correct.

Nothing is indisputable but I'll leave that to others.

What causes you to be "not convinced"?

What would it take for you to BE convinced?

Have you evidence to show why you are not convinced?

Ir is it just a gut feeling?

[supertouring]

MYOB said:

I'm not convinced by evolution.

There used to be people that were convinced the earth wasn't flat. They were subsequently proven correct.

Nothing is indisputable but I'll leave that to others.

Is it because you have spent years researching it and have found holes in the scientific evidence, or is it because you don't really understand it so think it is not true?

[MYOB]

Don't get me wrong, I believe in elements of the theories. Yes, I understand that our legs and spine were not designed for walking upright etc. I agree with some but not all of the various theories put forward by Darwin.

Don't get me started on Newton's theory of gravity

PS. I know PH too well and I'm not going to get embroiled in a debate here. It's not worth it.

[Exige77]

You can see evolution at work here on PH where the fittest and best adapted to their environments eventually end up at the wheel of a BMW.

It takes some longer than others

[Dr Jekyll]

Condi said:

JohnnyJones said:

Evolution is a theory.

It's not.

It's called "the theory of evolution" because when Darwin (and others) first proposed the idea it was a theory.

Over 150 years later, and with much more evidence available, it is scientific fact.

+1

Not only that but when Darwin referred to his 'theory of evolution' he didn't mean 'I've got a new theory and I'm calling it evolution'. He meant 'I have a theory about how evolution came about.'

[otolith]

MYOB said:

Don't get me wrong, I believe in elements of the theories. Yes, I understand that our legs and spine were not designed for walking upright etc. I agree with some but not all of the various theories put forward by Darwin.

Darwin's theory is simple and elegant, which bit of it don't you agree with?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Dr Jekyll said:

Condi said:

JohnnyJones said:

Evolution is a theory.

It's not.

It's called "the theory of evolution" because when Darwin (and others) first proposed the idea it was a theory.

Over 150 years later, and with much more evidence available, it is scientific fact.

+1

Not only that but when Darwin referred to his 'theory of evolution' he didn't mean 'I've got a new theory and I'm calling it evolution'. He meant 'I have a theory about how evolution came about.'

Exactly. Evolution had been put forward pre Darwin. Darwin came up with natural selection theory as the driver of evolution.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

otolith said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

It's survival of the fittest within a certain species. So a strong fast cheetah is more likely to live long enough to pass its genes on than a weaker, slightly slower cheetah.

Possibly, possibly not. If both cheetahs are fast enough to catch prey, one of them is carrying excess unneeded muscle mass which does not come free of cost. Fittest is most optimal, not necessarily fastest or strongest.

Fair point.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

MYOB said:

I'm not convinced by evolution.

There used to be people that were convinced the earth wasn't flat. They were subsequently proven correct.

Nothing is indisputable but I'll leave that to others.

Firstly, the idea that most people believed in the past, the Earth to be flat, isn't true. Humans knew thousands of years ago that it was spherical.

Secondly, you say nothing is indisputable, but at the same time seem to be saying people who didn't think the Earth was flat were proven correct. If nothing is indisputable, how do you know they were proven correct. You are basically saying we can't be sure the Earth isn't flat.

Thirdly, the facts don't care what you believe, and if you're convinced by them or not.

Finally, if you're going to deny something, don't pick evolution or the holocaust. There's too much evidence, and even people who aren't very bright will run rings around you, and make you look like a moron.

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Tuesday 5th January 15:34

[A Winner Is You]

Eric Mc said:

MYOB said:

I'm not convinced by evolution.

There used to be people that were convinced the earth wasn't flat. They were subsequently proven correct.

Nothing is indisputable but I'll leave that to others.

What causes you to be "not convinced"?

What would it take for you to BE convinced?

Have you evidence to show why you are not convinced?

Ir is it just a gut feeling?

Maybe he's been to Gravesend High Street

[Ayahuasca]

Bald birds? Vultures have evolved to have bald heads and necks.
Despite Old and New World vulture species being completely different and unconnected, both evolved the same baldy thing.

[seefarr]

Is this about Jesus? Because, and I'm sorry I had to be the one to break it to you but..... he's not real.

And neither is Santa.

[MYOB]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

and make you look like a moron.

Nice.

[EthanSmale]

paulguitar said:

In just the same way as gravity, but I suspect you don't need to be convinced of that?

It depends what you mean. If you mean Newton's theory of gravitation, we have known that not to be correct, since Einstein's theory of relativity around a century ago.

However I do agree that the attraction we describe as gravity can't really be disputed to exist!

[deckster]

MYOB said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

and make you look like a moron.

Nice.

But fair.

[MYOB]

deckster said:

MYOB said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

and make you look like a moron.

Nice.

But fair.

How so?

[deckster]

MYOB said:

deckster said:

MYOB said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

and make you look like a moron.

Nice.

But fair.

How so?

You state, without reasoning, that you are unconvinced by probably the most well-proven scientific theory there has ever been.

You equate the theory of evolution by natural selection with the belief that the earth is flat.

You drop ludicrous statements and then say you are not going to engage, but persist in posting on this thread.

I maintain that the original impression is a fair one.

Edited by deckster on Tuesday 5th January 16:14

[mrtwisty]

Rojibo said:

Magnets - how do they work?

https://youtu.be/gMbnJzHhoBI