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EVs won't kill the car scene for enthusiasts.
Legislation banning the sale of ICE engine'd cars is what'll kill the car scene...not immediately, but as the newest petrol engine'd cars become 10/20/30 years old* (and most of the truly fun stuff becomes 30/40/50 years old), the sort of people going to the events will change and dwindle, and the character of the events will change.
* Assuming all of the current high-tech, heavily electronic stuff with stupidly expensive part prices makes it to that age before 'uneconomic to repair' wipes them all out, that is.
Back to evo, just reading bits of the current issue, and the homage to the E46 M3, while very nice, feels a little rose-tinted. s
t brakes, slow steering through a fat-rimmed wheel, so-so gearchange, seats that can't quite get to the right driving position and suspension that can't quite disguise the mass of the car. (All arguably by the standards of the time, not just today's higher bar)
And yet it's still a wonderful 5-star car? This feels very Troy Queef / dab-of-oppo, as all of the plaudits are lauded on the engine (fair) and the very-biddable chassis (equally fair), while the shortcomings are glossed over because it's so much fun when pushed hard. Surely on balance it's a 4.5-star machine then? Or are stars entirely subjective?
(Don't get me wrong - that's probably my favourite M3 for all the reasons in the article...I just started laughing at how the car was picked-apart then still given 5 stars)
Legislation banning the sale of ICE engine'd cars is what'll kill the car scene...not immediately, but as the newest petrol engine'd cars become 10/20/30 years old* (and most of the truly fun stuff becomes 30/40/50 years old), the sort of people going to the events will change and dwindle, and the character of the events will change.
* Assuming all of the current high-tech, heavily electronic stuff with stupidly expensive part prices makes it to that age before 'uneconomic to repair' wipes them all out, that is.
Back to evo, just reading bits of the current issue, and the homage to the E46 M3, while very nice, feels a little rose-tinted. s
t brakes, slow steering through a fat-rimmed wheel, so-so gearchange, seats that can't quite get to the right driving position and suspension that can't quite disguise the mass of the car. (All arguably by the standards of the time, not just today's higher bar)And yet it's still a wonderful 5-star car? This feels very Troy Queef / dab-of-oppo, as all of the plaudits are lauded on the engine (fair) and the very-biddable chassis (equally fair), while the shortcomings are glossed over because it's so much fun when pushed hard. Surely on balance it's a 4.5-star machine then? Or are stars entirely subjective?
(Don't get me wrong - that's probably my favourite M3 for all the reasons in the article...I just started laughing at how the car was picked-apart then still given 5 stars)
havoc said:
EVs won't kill the car scene for enthusiasts.
Legislation banning the sale of ICE engine'd cars is what'll kill the car scene...not immediately, but as the newest petrol engine'd cars become 10/20/30 years old* (and most of the truly fun stuff becomes 30/40/50 years old), the sort of people going to the events will change and dwindle, and the character of the events will change.
* Assuming all of the current high-tech, heavily electronic stuff with stupidly expensive part prices makes it to that age before 'uneconomic to repair' wipes them all out, that is.
Back to evo, just reading bits of the current issue, and the homage to the E46 M3, while very nice, feels a little rose-tinted. st brakes, slow steering through a fat-rimmed wheel, so-so gearchange, seats that can't quite get to the right driving position and suspension that can't quite disguise the mass of the car. (All arguably by the standards of the time, not just today's higher bar)
And yet it's still a wonderful 5-star car? This feels very Troy Queef / dab-of-oppo, as all of the plaudits are lauded on the engine (fair) and the very-biddable chassis (equally fair), while the shortcomings are glossed over because it's so much fun when pushed hard. Surely on balance it's a 4.5-star machine then? Or are stars entirely subjective?
(Don't get me wrong - that's probably my favourite M3 for all the reasons in the article...I just started laughing at how the car was picked-apart then still given 5 stars)
They originally gave it 4.5 stars in a group test with an R34, Tuscan and a 996 - then bumped it up after giving the 330ci 4.5 stars.Legislation banning the sale of ICE engine'd cars is what'll kill the car scene...not immediately, but as the newest petrol engine'd cars become 10/20/30 years old* (and most of the truly fun stuff becomes 30/40/50 years old), the sort of people going to the events will change and dwindle, and the character of the events will change.
* Assuming all of the current high-tech, heavily electronic stuff with stupidly expensive part prices makes it to that age before 'uneconomic to repair' wipes them all out, that is.
Back to evo, just reading bits of the current issue, and the homage to the E46 M3, while very nice, feels a little rose-tinted. s
t brakes, slow steering through a fat-rimmed wheel, so-so gearchange, seats that can't quite get to the right driving position and suspension that can't quite disguise the mass of the car. (All arguably by the standards of the time, not just today's higher bar)And yet it's still a wonderful 5-star car? This feels very Troy Queef / dab-of-oppo, as all of the plaudits are lauded on the engine (fair) and the very-biddable chassis (equally fair), while the shortcomings are glossed over because it's so much fun when pushed hard. Surely on balance it's a 4.5-star machine then? Or are stars entirely subjective?
(Don't get me wrong - that's probably my favourite M3 for all the reasons in the article...I just started laughing at how the car was picked-apart then still given 5 stars)
I agree with everything you said though. The E92 M3 is the better M3, and the E46 330 manual the better overall E46 car, engine and gearbox combo. The 330 even had a quicker steering rack ffs
I'm 50 and one of those "ironic-generation" geezers. I love EVO magazine & been subscribing the last 3 years, since I finally could fund it. Such a joy to find in the hallway, to enjoy with a small glass of single-malt and Al Cohn maybe.
I really hope they survive, Evo has that 3% of good humour in everything they do, maybe its just Porter but it seems to affect the whole thing.
Been listening to Intercooler but dear me are they boring & just that bit too brit protectionistic for my liking
I really hope they survive, Evo has that 3% of good humour in everything they do, maybe its just Porter but it seems to affect the whole thing.
Been listening to Intercooler but dear me are they boring & just that bit too brit protectionistic for my liking
havoc said:
EVs won't kill the car scene for enthusiasts.
Legislation banning the sale of ICE engine'd cars is what'll kill the car scene...not immediately, but as the newest petrol engine'd cars become 10/20/30 years old* (and most of the truly fun stuff becomes 30/40/50 years old), the sort of people going to the events will change and dwindle, and the character of the events will change.
* Assuming all of the current high-tech, heavily electronic stuff with stupidly expensive part prices makes it to that age before 'uneconomic to repair' wipes them all out, that is.
EVs are still a nail in the coffin for ICE cars though for me, and I guess that is where my resentment comes from towards EVs, because EVs will kill off something that I love very much(cars with engines). The only saving grace is that I'll be dead before all that happens anyway I'd imagine. Legislation banning the sale of ICE engine'd cars is what'll kill the car scene...not immediately, but as the newest petrol engine'd cars become 10/20/30 years old* (and most of the truly fun stuff becomes 30/40/50 years old), the sort of people going to the events will change and dwindle, and the character of the events will change.
* Assuming all of the current high-tech, heavily electronic stuff with stupidly expensive part prices makes it to that age before 'uneconomic to repair' wipes them all out, that is.
cerb4.5lee said:
EVs are still a nail in the coffin for ICE cars though for me, and I guess that is where my resentment comes from towards EVs, because EVs will kill off something that I love very much(cars with engines). The only saving grace is that I'll be dead before all that happens anyway I'd imagine.
IC cars are going to be around for some time, as EVs, then self driving EVs become the norm. I can remember the removal of 5 star petrol being heralded by some as the death of the performance car.I like both IC and EV, they have different strengths and weaknesses. There is no problem preferring either or both.
Tough for Evo to please all the people all the time
They cant do the segmentation like youtube.Pereldh said:
I'm 50 and one of those "ironic-generation" geezers. I love EVO magazine & been subscribing the last 3 years, since I finally could fund it. Such a joy to find in the hallway, to enjoy with a small glass of single-malt and Al Cohn maybe.
I really hope they survive, Evo has that 3% of good humour in everything they do, maybe its just Porter but it seems to affect the whole thing.
Been listening to Intercooler but dear me are they boring & just that bit too brit protectionistic for my liking
Personally I find it all a bit "Dab of Oppo on the A350 from Bristol" from Dan Proser, Andrew Frankel as though South West Britain is the heart and soul of car design and driving. Its worth noting how Collecting Cars auction has stalled in the US even with Chris Harris and his merry men podcast. I really hope they survive, Evo has that 3% of good humour in everything they do, maybe its just Porter but it seems to affect the whole thing.
Been listening to Intercooler but dear me are they boring & just that bit too brit protectionistic for my liking
For me the AirWater Porsche event 2 weeks ago was a good example of how things have moved on for some in the car scene and others are wondering where everybody is?
1500 cars, 11,000 people and a focus on people, my friend noted how many women and non Porsche w
ker types were there compared to other car meets. He recommended the European one in June. Its in Wroclaw in Poland even though he knows my disdain for Porsches nowadays. If you drive a Porsche at a track meet I will speak to anyone else before you, only Nissan GTR owners out weigh you in terms of douchieness at a car meet.
But you won't hear a peep of this event from the Intercooler or ex EVO crowd as Wroclaw is not on the F1 calender and as its not at Goodwood/Bister so why go? There must be real confusion as to why Poland has been chosen as an Annual event like this?
Rsx Boy said:
Out of interest who sent you the email ?
EVO only sends me the usual newletter mailshots.
Ive subscribed for over 20 years so an official statement would be of interest to me.
info@promo.evo.co.uk sent this to me on 19th May:EVO only sends me the usual newletter mailshots.
Ive subscribed for over 20 years so an official statement would be of interest to me.
Hi there,
We’re getting in touch to tell you that we’ve joined Carwow. On 13 February 2024, Carwow Ltd acquired Autovia Ltd, parent company of Auto Express, Carbuyer, evo and DrivingElectric. As promised in our Privacy Policy, we’re writing to share this exciting news.
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Rsx Boy said:
WPA said:
Just had an email saying that Carwow have acquired Auto Express, Carbuyer and Evo from Autovia.
Out of interest who sent you the email ?EVO only sends me the usual newletter mailshots.
Ive subscribed for over 20 years so an official statement would be of interest to me.
I agree the intercooler podcast is a bit boring, also find it a bit self congratulatory and lacking alternative/contrasting opinion. Their solution to every problem is often a Golf or a 911 and nothing more creative or individual.
With regards to the E46 M3, I did not know the 330 had a quicker rack, although I’m sort of not surprised.
On my Z3M coupe I replaced the standard rack (3.2 turns lock to lock and variable ratio, same rack as with the E36 Evo) with a Z3 standard rack which is linear and 2.7 turns lock to lock.
Wow what an amazing difference, the car was suddenly like putty in my hands and much more predictable and not having that horrible dead and slow feeling about the dead centre.
I’m not sure if BMW did this to make their cars more predictable and perhaps more stable/smooth on the autobahn, but the standard rack really made the Z3M feel like a bigger less agile car that just didn’t turn in with the enthusiasm you’d expect.
Of course it helps now tyres have come on so much since they were new.
With regards to the E46 M3, I did not know the 330 had a quicker rack, although I’m sort of not surprised.
On my Z3M coupe I replaced the standard rack (3.2 turns lock to lock and variable ratio, same rack as with the E36 Evo) with a Z3 standard rack which is linear and 2.7 turns lock to lock.
Wow what an amazing difference, the car was suddenly like putty in my hands and much more predictable and not having that horrible dead and slow feeling about the dead centre.
I’m not sure if BMW did this to make their cars more predictable and perhaps more stable/smooth on the autobahn, but the standard rack really made the Z3M feel like a bigger less agile car that just didn’t turn in with the enthusiasm you’d expect.
Of course it helps now tyres have come on so much since they were new.
Edited by urquattroGus on Saturday 1st June 18:51
WPA said:
Rsx Boy said:
WPA said:
Just had an email saying that Carwow have acquired Auto Express, Carbuyer and Evo from Autovia.
Out of interest who sent you the email ?EVO only sends me the usual newletter mailshots.
Ive subscribed for over 20 years so an official statement would be of interest to me.
CardinalFang said:
WPA said:
Just had an email saying that Carwow have acquired Auto Express, Carbuyer and Evo from Autovia.
Wonder if this is why Jethro has gone?" Once upon a time I worked for the very best car magazine in the world. And it was awesome "
Which maybe suggests he's not feeling the same these days. Or other opportunities available to him are more interesting. People develop and move on.
This is healthy and exciting.
I doubt he'd burn any bridges leaving what I assume is a freelance agreement.
greenarrow said:
Truckosaurus said:
Although, from memory, CAR in its glory days (early 90s) had a final page entitled 'Dogs' which did something similar.
I was disappointed to see the Up! GTi as last month's target, it should be the type of motorcar that EVO should be championing, faults and all. Rather than getting excited about the latest 911 that will be dull at legal speeds.
You know I hadnt read to the end of last month's issue and seen this article, but its one of the things that annoys me about motoring journos, eg how they have selective memory. Just thumbing back through my back issues, I was right in my recollections that the little Up GTI got a solid 4 stars in its road test (beating the Twingo GT quite comfortably) and at EVO COTY in 2018 placed 7th out of 8, ahead of the Renaultsport Megane RS Mk4. So it seems a bit fickle for them to now be claiming it was a "near miss" or something which didn't match expectations. I was disappointed to see the Up! GTi as last month's target, it should be the type of motorcar that EVO should be championing, faults and all. Rather than getting excited about the latest 911 that will be dull at legal speeds.
I haven't driven one but most reviews have accepted that the dynamics aren't the best, but overall its still a fun package. Like you say, a pity for EVO to be picking on one of the few lightweight, affordable and fun new cars of the last 5-10 years....
https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/up/gti/living-wit...
(From article): I always knew I’d like the Up, but 12 months and 17,000 miles convinced me it is one of the most unassumingly special cars to come along for many years. It understood fun in a way few do at any price, yet is affordable, cheap to run and functions brilliantly as an everyday car. As an antidote to the excesses of today’s high-performance cars and a means of reconnecting yourself with driving’s simpler pleasures, the Up GTI is just the ticket.
Edited by ChevronB19 on Monday 3rd June 08:49
After seeing it mentioned in this thread, I thought I would try a trial period of The Intercooler.
I must admit they have a good variety of content, of particular interest to me being the articles where contributors share experiences of their personal cars. I read Dan Prosser's article on the Tuthill 914/6 'hotrod', whilst on the whole a decent read there were certain undertones of the 'PH' way of writing about it; for a website supposed to be written by car fanatics for car fanatics, it seems odd to go in to detail on the cars when the detail provided in the article is wrong.
"Trimmed throughout in Alcantara and leather it does without a heater or a radio, but it does have Tuthill’s own competition pedal box and a Momo Prototipo steering wheel" - Momo's Prototipo has been around for over 50 years now, a simple 3 spoke steering wheel with a flat face; the pictures of the 914/6's interior clearly illustrate a dished Momo Mod.07 dished rally steering wheel... When you are trying to sell yourselves as an enthusiast platform with content written by people who know what they're talking about, why go to the lengths of pointing out the chosen steering wheel and then get it wrong? This, among a couple of questionable fragments in other articles, have convinced me that The Intercooler is not going to be worth paying for once my trial period ends - best of luck to them with it though.
I must admit they have a good variety of content, of particular interest to me being the articles where contributors share experiences of their personal cars. I read Dan Prosser's article on the Tuthill 914/6 'hotrod', whilst on the whole a decent read there were certain undertones of the 'PH' way of writing about it; for a website supposed to be written by car fanatics for car fanatics, it seems odd to go in to detail on the cars when the detail provided in the article is wrong.
"Trimmed throughout in Alcantara and leather it does without a heater or a radio, but it does have Tuthill’s own competition pedal box and a Momo Prototipo steering wheel" - Momo's Prototipo has been around for over 50 years now, a simple 3 spoke steering wheel with a flat face; the pictures of the 914/6's interior clearly illustrate a dished Momo Mod.07 dished rally steering wheel... When you are trying to sell yourselves as an enthusiast platform with content written by people who know what they're talking about, why go to the lengths of pointing out the chosen steering wheel and then get it wrong? This, among a couple of questionable fragments in other articles, have convinced me that The Intercooler is not going to be worth paying for once my trial period ends - best of luck to them with it though.
CKY said:
After seeing it mentioned in this thread, I thought I would try a trial period of The Intercooler.
I must admit they have a good variety of content, of particular interest to me being the articles where contributors share experiences of their personal cars. I read Dan Prosser's article on the Tuthill 914/6 'hotrod', whilst on the whole a decent read there were certain undertones of the 'PH' way of writing about it; for a website supposed to be written by car fanatics for car fanatics, it seems odd to go in to detail on the cars when the detail provided in the article is wrong.
"Trimmed throughout in Alcantara and leather it does without a heater or a radio, but it does have Tuthill’s own competition pedal box and a Momo Prototipo steering wheel" - Momo's Prototipo has been around for over 50 years now, a simple 3 spoke steering wheel with a flat face; the pictures of the 914/6's interior clearly illustrate a dished Momo Mod.07 dished rally steering wheel... When you are trying to sell yourselves as an enthusiast platform with content written by people who know what they're talking about, why go to the lengths of pointing out the chosen steering wheel and then get it wrong? This, among a couple of questionable fragments in other articles, have convinced me that The Intercooler is not going to be worth paying for once my trial period ends - best of luck to them with it though.
I've seen some of the recent Intercooler You Tube videos and followed with interest and Andrew Frankel was one of my favourite motoring journos at Autocar and I have a copy of the book he wrote some years ago with his favourite cars in it. Dan Prosser too did some good stuff at Pistonheads and I miss his videos. The only thing I would say about the videos I have watched involving Porsche Cayman R v 911R, BWM M340i v M3 touring v Alpina and the Ferrari 296GTB v McLaren 750S is that they seemed to sit on the fence a bit and pontificate for ages. I wasn't really left any wiser as to which one they preferred. From that perspective there are others out there who do it better.I must admit they have a good variety of content, of particular interest to me being the articles where contributors share experiences of their personal cars. I read Dan Prosser's article on the Tuthill 914/6 'hotrod', whilst on the whole a decent read there were certain undertones of the 'PH' way of writing about it; for a website supposed to be written by car fanatics for car fanatics, it seems odd to go in to detail on the cars when the detail provided in the article is wrong.
"Trimmed throughout in Alcantara and leather it does without a heater or a radio, but it does have Tuthill’s own competition pedal box and a Momo Prototipo steering wheel" - Momo's Prototipo has been around for over 50 years now, a simple 3 spoke steering wheel with a flat face; the pictures of the 914/6's interior clearly illustrate a dished Momo Mod.07 dished rally steering wheel... When you are trying to sell yourselves as an enthusiast platform with content written by people who know what they're talking about, why go to the lengths of pointing out the chosen steering wheel and then get it wrong? This, among a couple of questionable fragments in other articles, have convinced me that The Intercooler is not going to be worth paying for once my trial period ends - best of luck to them with it though.
As for EVO, they scarcely put any material out on you tube any more, presumably because Steve Sutcliffe did most of it and he now contributes to the intercooler.
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