Why can't other cars use Tesla's charging network?
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gangzoom said:
SWoll said:
You might have if you turn up at a supercharger location that states there are available chargers and find there aren't any as they are inaccessible?
And hows that's different from waiting in line of Tesla's nearly 10 deep in Tedbay in the middle of the summer holidays?The congestion at popular SC sites is already real, the reason is quite simple. Regardless of your initial range if you want to get up to Scotland or down to Cornwall, you have to recharge some where, and right now your options are limited to literally just two or sometimes one site. So everyone congreates at these sites, no because they NEED to charge there, but because that is only SC site for the next 50-100 miles.
The ONLY solution to the congestion is to build more SC sites, and the ONLY way Tesla will be allowed to do that is giving access to all other EVs.
You have to pick your battles, acting like a big baby and throwing your toys out of the pram is rarely an effective way to manage/solve any problem, especially when those who have the real power and influence have clearly signaled the direction of travel needed.
Go to Gridserves website, and surely even you can see why Tesla HAD TO make this move. Nothing in this world stays the same, adapt and survive, or accept irrelevance and stop playing. Which DNO or planning officer is going to sign off on any Tesla SC site when they are likely to have an almost identical application for power/land access from another company.
Moan as much as you want, but this is the right and only move Tesla could do right now if they want to stay in the DC charging game.
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Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 21st May 06:31
Piginapoke said:
Tesla is opening up its charging network for none of these reasons; it’s doing this because the purpose of the company is to move earth to a carbon free future; so it sees all EVs as a good thing. As Musk said, Tesla didn’t want a walled garden to punish other EV manufacturers. It might be annoying if you’re stuck in a SC queue but there’s no doubting the vision of the company.
If that was the case they'd have opened up all locations already, and not designed chargers than are only able to be used easily by a limited number of other EV's without blocking bays or causing problems, as with every other EV charger out there? SWoll said:
Piginapoke said:
Tesla is opening up its charging network for none of these reasons; it’s doing this because the purpose of the company is to move earth to a carbon free future; so it sees all EVs as a good thing. As Musk said, Tesla didn’t want a walled garden to punish other EV manufacturers. It might be annoying if you’re stuck in a SC queue but there’s no doubting the vision of the company.
If that was the case they'd have opened up all locations already, and not designed chargers than are only able to be used easily by a limited number of other EV's without blocking bays or causing problems, as with every other EV charger out there? Piginapoke said:
AIUI its trying to open up the network in a way that does not immediately annoy Tesla owners, hence the pilot to judge demand etc. I've read that it may introduce "non Tesla" stalls at SC sites, with longer cables, which would make a lot of sense.
But if that was the plan all along they wouldn't need to make any changes, it would just work?For anyone that missed this the new V4 super chargers that are currently being rolled out have longer cables to they can reach both sides of the car.
https://electrek.co/2023/03/03/tesla-deploying-fir...
https://electrek.co/2023/03/03/tesla-deploying-fir...
delta0 said:
For anyone that missed this the new V4 super chargers that are currently being rolled out have longer cables to they can reach both sides of the car.
https://electrek.co/2023/03/03/tesla-deploying-fir...
Hopefully they can get up to 1,000V output as well. Having them limited to 500V is not very future proof.https://electrek.co/2023/03/03/tesla-deploying-fir...
jamei303 said:
Imagine if each manufacturer had their own exclusive chargers, it would be ridiculous and should be prohibited by regulation if necessary.
Woah there, that’s a very brash statement.Where does it end, shall we all be forced into the same government issue boots? One government issue phone fits all? No more McDonald’s, only Burger King and because the party in power prefer Pepsi, no Coca Cola is served.
jamei303 said:
Imagine if each manufacturer had their own exclusive chargers, it would be ridiculous and should be prohibited by regulation if necessary.
Iirc Tesla tried to reach out to other manufacturers but they all refused?The truth is probably somewhere in the middle though. To get a decent price you need a subscription with either Ionity or Tesla.
ColdoRS said:
jamei303 said:
Imagine if each manufacturer had their own exclusive chargers, it would be ridiculous and should be prohibited by regulation if necessary.
Woah there, that’s a very brash statement.Where does it end, shall we all be forced into the same government issue boots? One government issue phone fits all? No more McDonald’s, only Burger King and because the party in power prefer Pepsi, no Coca Cola is served.
I say this as someone who enjoyed the exclusivity of Tesla supercharging for 2 years and now runs an Audi EV where access to the Tesla network would 100% make life easier on longer trips like the one we have planned at the end of the month down to Dorset.
But for infrastructure projects free market economics shouldn’t necessarily apply, because a consideration has to be made about other pertinent factors. Imagine if every petrol station had had competing proprietary nozzle designs for the last century, it would not be a good thing for the users.
ColdoRS said:
jamei303 said:
Imagine if each manufacturer had their own exclusive chargers, it would be ridiculous and should be prohibited by regulation if necessary.
Woah there, that’s a very brash statement.Where does it end, shall we all be forced into the same government issue boots? One government issue phone fits all? No more McDonald’s, only Burger King and because the party in power prefer Pepsi, no Coca Cola is served.
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
How would you feel if every manufacturer had different fuel filler shapes/sizes so, say, only 1/5 of petrol stations had the right pump for your car? Of course they should all be the same.
Isn't that exactly what Apple has been doing with phone chargers for the past decade?ZesPak said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
How would you feel if every manufacturer had different fuel filler shapes/sizes so, say, only 1/5 of petrol stations had the right pump for your car? Of course they should all be the same.
Isn't that exactly what Apple has been doing with phone chargers for the past decade?And to the poster above, the charger sockets are all the same (CCS) it's just that you can't initiate a charge in cars that aren't Tesla as you haven't bought their product that gives you access to the network they have paid to implement.
They may well choose to open them all up for commercial reasons, but they shouldn't be forced to do so IMHO.
Yeah, I also don't get that. They built these. They went through scouting the locations, making deals with all the hotels and parking lots they put them on.
Traveling through France I see a couple more at more public places, but they allowed them to put them there.
As far as I can see it's up to Tesla to open them up, but I don't see why they HAVE to. For the ones on private property, it's an even more ridiculous request imho.
From what we've seen in the past 5 years, what they've accomplished is nothing short of incredible with competition still nowhere near the coverage. For people wanting to argue that, we're planning a ski trip with both a non Tesla and a Tesla in our group, it's night and day. I would love for them to be all open, but it's a business decision on their part between making money selling electricity or maintaining the extra luxury and USP on their own cars.
Traveling through France I see a couple more at more public places, but they allowed them to put them there.
As far as I can see it's up to Tesla to open them up, but I don't see why they HAVE to. For the ones on private property, it's an even more ridiculous request imho.
From what we've seen in the past 5 years, what they've accomplished is nothing short of incredible with competition still nowhere near the coverage. For people wanting to argue that, we're planning a ski trip with both a non Tesla and a Tesla in our group, it's night and day. I would love for them to be all open, but it's a business decision on their part between making money selling electricity or maintaining the extra luxury and USP on their own cars.
ZesPak said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
How would you feel if every manufacturer had different fuel filler shapes/sizes so, say, only 1/5 of petrol stations had the right pump for your car? Of course they should all be the same.
Isn't that exactly what Apple has been doing with phone chargers for the past decade?ZesPak said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
How would you feel if every manufacturer had different fuel filler shapes/sizes so, say, only 1/5 of petrol stations had the right pump for your car? Of course they should all be the same.
Isn't that exactly what Apple has been doing with phone chargers for the past decade?Arguments about it not being a walled garden or forcing a particular standard dont necessarily stand up when you look here. There were a few electric charging stations before the advent of Tesla, but it was extremely uncommon. Nissan had a different system from what you could find and they tried, but when the popularity increased, a standard was defined. Tesla continued on their path with their own format.
Credit where credit is due, the way that the convertor works for non-Teslas at Supercharging locations is neat and clever. However, the same works the other way though. If you have a Tesla and want to use an EA charger, you need the convertor. For all of the criticisms that you can level at the EU, there are a few things that they can get right.
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