EVs... no one wants them!
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monkfish1 said:
He said there were solutions to not having £40k for an EV. I just asked what the solution was, which, i note, has not been forthcoming.
Borrowing money, id suggest is not a solution at all, just a different way of spending it.
Borrowing money, id suggest is not a solution at all, just a different way of spending it.
monkfish1 said:
You havent answered the question to your original statement, that there was a solution to my lack of £40k.
Is that becuase, it wasnt actually true?
Ignore the EV aspect here: how many people do you think are buying new (dealer new, not 'new to them') cars outright with money they already have? I don't have the stats, but I'm willing to speculate its a significant minority of people (considering leasing and SalSac to be another form of finance).Is that becuase, it wasnt actually true?
Equally, if you think you need £40k for an EV, you need £40k for an ICE. There's no large disparity any more.
If you can't afford £40k for a new car of any type, the answer is that you don't.
You can spend £10k and get an EV still in its battery and drivetrain warranty.
If you can't afford £10k, you can't realistically afford an ICE with any warranty at all.
If you then wanted to still buy an EV, there's quite a lot of Leafs/Zoes in the 2nd gen (e.g. more than 100 miles range) for a little above that.
If you don't want a £7k Zoe, then you compromise the need to buy something with cash.
People wouldn't be that stubborn with a house - it's the equivalent of living in a tent because you don't want to get a mortgage
Edited by cj2013 on Friday 3rd May 14:51
monkfish1 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
monkfish1 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Great monologue.
Does it change the fact that EVs are just better for a lot of people a lot of the time?
Please define "a lot"?Does it change the fact that EVs are just better for a lot of people a lot of the time?
Not sure what I wrote has anything to do with what you've written.
otolith said:
People not being able to afford new cars is not a barrier to adoption when all we are trying to achieve is to increase the proportion of new cars which are electric.
You not making a lot of sense.If the sale of new cars dwindles, lets say to 50% of current, thats an awful lot of old, dirty, inefficent cars remaing on the road for a lot longer than would otherwise be the case.
Surely the objective is reduce the number of ICE in favour of EV, not simpy to increase a percentage of new cars regardless of how many are sold.
cj2013 said:
monkfish1 said:
He said there were solutions to not having £40k for an EV. I just asked what the solution was, which, i note, has not been forthcoming.
Borrowing money, id suggest is not a solution at all, just a different way of spending it.
Borrowing money, id suggest is not a solution at all, just a different way of spending it.
monkfish1 said:
You havent answered the question to your original statement, that there was a solution to my lack of £40k.
Is that becuase, it wasnt actually true?
Ignore the EV aspect here: how many people do you think are buying new (dealer new, not 'new to them') cars outright with money they already have? I don't have the stats, but I'm willing to speculate its a significant minority of people (considering leasing and SalSac to be another form of finance).Is that becuase, it wasnt actually true?
Equally, if you think you need £40k for an EV, you need £40k for an ICE. There's no large disparity any more.
If you can't afford £40k for a new car of any type, the answer is that you don't.
You can spend £10k and get an EV still in its battery and drivetrain warranty.
If you can't afford £10k, you can't realistically afford an ICE with any warranty at all.
If you then wanted to still buy an EV, there's quite a lot of Leafs/Zoes in the 2nd gen (e.g. more than 100 miles range) for a little above that.
If you don't want a £7k Zoe, then you compromise the need to buy something with cash.
People wouldn't be that stubborn with a house - it's the equivalent of living in a tent because you don't want to get a mortgage
Edited by cj2013 on Friday 3rd May 14:51
Remeber, it was you that said there was a solution.
Glad we cleared that up.
monkfish1 said:
Ok, so you DONT have a solution to the lack of £40k.
Remeber, it was you that said there was a solution.
Glad we cleared that up.
You must surely be being obtuse.Remeber, it was you that said there was a solution.
Glad we cleared that up.
I don't have £40k either. I have never had £40k for a car.
BUT..... amazingly - I have a car. Almost like there was a solution!
You're coming across like either cognitively challenged, or just annoyed that someone's not going to gift you a £40k for free - as if you're above the challenges of normal people
Coxwain said:
Anyone buying a new or nearly new EV on finance needs their head looking at. With EV depreciation the way it's going, it's the ultimate definition of a liability and the total opposite of an asset. Spending several thousand each year to save a few hundreds in fuel. Bonkers logic!
Car finance typically negates the risk of EV depreciation (PCP, leasing etc - but not PCH or an outright loan).I don't see how "Anyone buying a new or nearly new EV" with cash instead is, somehow, not applicable to your statement. In fact, I'd suggest it is worse to buy outright not knowing how much it's going to be worth 3 years down the line
Coxwain said:
As much of the sane world builds a better future for its people, I suspect they are all laughing at our deranged Net Zero stupidity.
...and the insane world keeps its people oppressed and will overtake us as we give them money to offset our emissions due to missing targets we have set ourselves. They will also be laughing.... Coxwain said:
The main reason of our ill health here in the UK is our diet of mostly processed food and that the NHS has been chronically underfunded and mismanaged for years, meaning that it is no longer fit for purpose. But no one seems to give a s
t about that enough to do something about it do they? Reducing air pollution from it's already low levels is a red herring and will do the square route of F all in the circumstances.
Already low-levels? You're having a laugh.t about that enough to do something about it do they? Reducing air pollution from it's already low levels is a red herring and will do the square route of F all in the circumstances.Then combine with the inactivity because of the car-centric infrastructure and mindset, and you can see why it makes sense to move away from a consumption-based transport system..
Coxwain said:
Our energy security failings are as a direct result of not exploiting our own still considerable reserves of natural gas (fracking) and lack of investment in reliable nuclear power capacity.
Does our transport run on natural gas? cj2013 said:
monkfish1 said:
Ok, so you DONT have a solution to the lack of £40k.
Remeber, it was you that said there was a solution.
Glad we cleared that up.
You must surely be being obtuse.Remeber, it was you that said there was a solution.
Glad we cleared that up.
I don't have £40k either. I have never had £40k for a car.
BUT..... amazingly - I have a car. Almost like there was a solution!
You're coming across like either cognitively challenged, or just annoyed that someone's not going to gift you a £40k for free - as if you're above the challenges of normal people
You have confirmed that there isnt a "solution" now. Thats fine. The end.
monkfish1 said:
Like i said, its what YOu said. I didnt say it.
You have confirmed that there isnt a "solution" now. Thats fine. The end.
Ok, confirmed you're an idiot then. I don't mean that personally, but you keep repeating the same question and ignore the answer when it's been dissected, rephrased, and "ELI5" for you.You have confirmed that there isnt a "solution" now. Thats fine. The end.
Furthermore, your point (not matter how obtuse) is now irrelevant to this thread. Feel free to start a "New cars... no one has £40k for them!" thread, where it turns out, magically, the solution to "I don't have £40k for a car" is to not require it.
monkfish1 said:
otolith said:
People not being able to afford new cars is not a barrier to adoption when all we are trying to achieve is to increase the proportion of new cars which are electric.
You not making a lot of sense.If the sale of new cars dwindles, lets say to 50% of current, thats an awful lot of old, dirty, inefficent cars remaing on the road for a lot longer than would otherwise be the case.
Surely the objective is reduce the number of ICE in favour of EV, not simpy to increase a percentage of new cars regardless of how many are sold.
Coxwain said:
Anyone buying a new or nearly new EV on finance needs their head looking at. With EV depreciation the way it's going, it's the ultimate definition of a liability and the total opposite of an asset. Spending several thousand each year to save a few hundreds in fuel. Bonkers logic!
Maybe people buy them because (for them) they’re just better?My new EV requires an additional £54k investment over the sale price of my BMW V8. Sure it saves me £5k a year in fuel and probably a fair bit more in servicing/ repairs, but like any new car if depreciates so I’m sure I would have been financially better off just keeping the old V8 going.
But the EV is just a nicer place to be 95% of the time.
Oh, and just arrived in mid France on the way to the Alpes for a drivjng trip in the 997.
Where we stopped for lunch/ loo breaks there were banks of (unoccupied) fast chargers, and more at the hotel. Bringing an EV would have not created any additional delay or inconvenience at all. The 30 minute lunch break would have been more than long enough to recharge.
cj2013 said:
romft123 said:
I live opposite a fire station and none of my cars are red or have sirens!
Perhaps because almost no cars are red and/or have sirens.However, low mileage cars that have sat around for ages are quite regularly owned by people in the twilight of their lives
You need a bigger spade
Coxwain said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Google tells me 26 million EVs on the road, up 60% in 3 years.
Yep and the proportion of sales are now falling because 26 million people have realised that they are st.cj2013 said:
Ok, confirmed you're an idiot then. I don't mean that personally, but you keep repeating the same question and ignore the answer when it's been dissected, rephrased, and "ELI5" for you.
Furthermore, your point (not matter how obtuse) is now irrelevant to this thread. Feel free to start a "New cars... no one has £40k for them!" thread, where it turns out, magically, the solution to "I don't have £40k for a car" is to not require it.
How pleasant.Furthermore, your point (not matter how obtuse) is now irrelevant to this thread. Feel free to start a "New cars... no one has £40k for them!" thread, where it turns out, magically, the solution to "I don't have £40k for a car" is to not require it.
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