2024: BTCC chat & discussion
Discussion
acer12 said:
I always thought that Dan was a little overrated from his near championship win in 2019, that civic should have walked the championship and Cammish should have had it wrapped up long before the race he had brake failure in. Having the ageing and slowing Matt Neal as a team mate masked how quick the car was which I felt flattered Cammish.
Since Cammish has partnered with a quick team mate he has been exposed and its doing his confidence no good. Once he sees Ash in his mirrors he pulls over, even after only 6 races of this years championship its exactly what he did last weekend showing that he has no confidence in competing for the championship.
Opinions vary. Like others I do take an interest in what the fans think of the championship.Since Cammish has partnered with a quick team mate he has been exposed and its doing his confidence no good. Once he sees Ash in his mirrors he pulls over, even after only 6 races of this years championship its exactly what he did last weekend showing that he has no confidence in competing for the championship.
Your comment just shows how opinions vary depending on your point of view or your bias towards drivers and teams.
Bit of an attack on me which I presume is fuelled by some dislike for me. Which is fine. You can hide behind your username.
I’m not sure what you watched in 2019. But I had 14 podiums from 29 starts, so basically 1 in every 2 attempts. I watched the new BMW 330 win almost every race for the first half of the season. I flew under the radar and nearly pinched it at the end. I don’t know why you think it was the best car but that’s obviously your opinion. I had a great season in 2020 too. Finishing 3rd just 12 points off the top. Power steering failure from p3 at brands, then engine failure from P6 the same day. There’s 12 points right there.
I won back to back Porsche titles, podiums in Supercup even at Monaco on my debut. No one does that by the way.
Came back to Porsche in 21 and beat King who will be a factory driver for sure at some point in the future. All whilst going from FWD back to RWD.
So ye If I’m over rated my CV is better than just about anyone bar Sutton, Colin and now Ingram.
As for my time at NAPA I am the first to agree it hasn’t been easy. Could go into detail on why but it wouldn’t be right. All that has to be said is that I have continually worked on addressing the issues to give myself a fighting chance.
Last weekend was a shame. A sure fire race 1 podium was taken away and I fought back well in race 2 & 3. You probably missed that I was the only driver on mediums In the top 6 in the last race. Ash didn’t fight me in race 1 when I was on softs and I repaid the favour. That’s why we’re a strong team and will have continued success.
Anyway moving forward I believe the car is the best it has been for me and I will be closer. Just need to eliminate the failures which are so costly.
Edited by DanCam on Friday 17th May 15:22
DanCam said:
Anyway moving forward I believe the car is the best it has been for me and I will be closer. Just need to eliminate the failures which are so costly.
When I saw that comment I didn’t think you’d reply as you don’t need to with your race history but hats off to you for replying it’s great to see occasional input on here from drivers in the series.Edited by DanCam on Friday 17th May 15:22
Having Ash Sutton as a team mate must be a bit like having a Verrstappen or Hamilton as your team mate….
Would be interested to hear what you think of the new extra hybrid boost for this season and how this will affect results across the day? Last year the limited impact of hybrid and removal of success ballast gave us less variation in results / less over taking.
Good luck for the rest of the 24’ season.
greeny12 said:
Dan too modest to mention absolutely slaughtering the field in Formula Ford as well...
I started a thread on here after that season. Tried to start a discussion on how good did DanCam need to be to win every race he entered, and far would his career go after that. Was so pleased when he arrived in the BTCC, and nearly put his first front wheel drive racing car on pole in his first race. It’s a shame he seems to suffer worse luck than most. Recent seasons haven’t shown his best form, and the Sutton juggernaut seems like the toughest of teammates.
Ash is certainly exceptional as are the people around him as others have mentioned.
I think it will be an interesting season. The hybrid changes seem to be working and I think we will see more winners and more drivers get their chance in the top 10.
Next race at Snett will be interesting with 3 tyre compounds to use in the 3 races. Combined with the hybrid we could see a massive lap time
Delta swing.
I think it will be an interesting season. The hybrid changes seem to be working and I think we will see more winners and more drivers get their chance in the top 10.
Next race at Snett will be interesting with 3 tyre compounds to use in the 3 races. Combined with the hybrid we could see a massive lap time
Delta swing.
Speed Badger said:
If there's a driver who doesn't need to come on here and defend himself for his career results it's Cammish.
DanCam has always been in the top six for Championship contention...Ash & 'Thingram' have had their moment(s) lifting the trophy.
So Dan, Jake & Cookie... plus one must be waiting in the wings.
Edited by Milkyway on Monday 20th May 16:20
It's early in the season, but i think new qualifying is great - adds a lot of tension.
I also think t's time to ditch the reverse grid nonsense. The random draw just puts good drivers lower than they have achieved - which is a kick in the nuts. I don't actually like penalising success at all, but at least the hybrid allowance rule seems to be adding enough jeopardy to make the championship interesting as it becomes part of the team strategy alongside tyre choice etc. It is tactical, proportionate disadvantage rather than random disadvantage of the lucky dip draw. I've never liked it and it dents the credibility of a professional championship, and now it looks like it's not even needed to mix up the grids.
They could also do with some lights on the front and rear as well as side of the cars too so we can tell from every angle when hybrid is in use. They could also have a 10-segment bar that counts down the leccy laps left so we don't have to wait for the TV graphics to cycle - also help spectators trackside.
good so far...
I also think t's time to ditch the reverse grid nonsense. The random draw just puts good drivers lower than they have achieved - which is a kick in the nuts. I don't actually like penalising success at all, but at least the hybrid allowance rule seems to be adding enough jeopardy to make the championship interesting as it becomes part of the team strategy alongside tyre choice etc. It is tactical, proportionate disadvantage rather than random disadvantage of the lucky dip draw. I've never liked it and it dents the credibility of a professional championship, and now it looks like it's not even needed to mix up the grids.
They could also do with some lights on the front and rear as well as side of the cars too so we can tell from every angle when hybrid is in use. They could also have a 10-segment bar that counts down the leccy laps left so we don't have to wait for the TV graphics to cycle - also help spectators trackside.
good so far...
RedAndy said:
... dents the credibility of a professional championship, ...
I think Alan Gow has been pretty open over the years that the product he's providing is much more about entertainment and close racing, than it is about the purity of racing. It's not quite WWE, but it's definitely a step along that road.Success ballast, hybrid allocation, reverse grids, boost limits ... these are all tools to achieve the stated goals of entertainment and close racing.
That's not to say it's a good or bad thing ... it just is a fact.
If you want a pure, credible, professional championship then there are options out there for you to watch. The downside being that they can often be a little light on action.
If you want something that's been a little more manipulated to serve you up 3 doses of tightly packed action in an entertaining day's viewing, then there's the BTCC.
I think it's great that we have that choice available to us. I love the BTCC and other series (F1 for example) but they provide very different experiences.
One thing I will say, is no matter the rules, the cream of the crop does tend to rise to the top. Over a long enough time period, the best drivers and cars do tend to find their way to the pointy end of the championship tables.
RedAndy said:
It's early in the season, but i think new qualifying is great - adds a lot of tension.
I also think t's time to ditch the reverse grid nonsense. The random draw just puts good drivers lower than they have achieved - which is a kick in the nuts. I don't actually like penalising success at all, but at least the hybrid allowance rule seems to be adding enough jeopardy to make the championship interesting as it becomes part of the team strategy alongside tyre choice etc. It is tactical, proportionate disadvantage rather than random disadvantage of the lucky dip draw. I've never liked it and it dents the credibility of a professional championship, and now it looks like it's not even needed to mix up the grids.
They could also do with some lights on the front and rear as well as side of the cars too so we can tell from every angle when hybrid is in use. They could also have a 10-segment bar that counts down the leccy laps left so we don't have to wait for the TV graphics to cycle - also help spectators trackside.
good so far...
I've said the same thing about the hybrid indicators on the side, on TV you rarely see them and it's pretty much the same at the track. What we need is a number plate sized blue flashing panel at the front and rear. I disagree with the reverse grid, I think it's a laugh, in fact I'd like the whole grid reversed! I also think t's time to ditch the reverse grid nonsense. The random draw just puts good drivers lower than they have achieved - which is a kick in the nuts. I don't actually like penalising success at all, but at least the hybrid allowance rule seems to be adding enough jeopardy to make the championship interesting as it becomes part of the team strategy alongside tyre choice etc. It is tactical, proportionate disadvantage rather than random disadvantage of the lucky dip draw. I've never liked it and it dents the credibility of a professional championship, and now it looks like it's not even needed to mix up the grids.
They could also do with some lights on the front and rear as well as side of the cars too so we can tell from every angle when hybrid is in use. They could also have a 10-segment bar that counts down the leccy laps left so we don't have to wait for the TV graphics to cycle - also help spectators trackside.
good so far...
Speed Badger said:
I've said the same thing about the hybrid indicators on the side, on TV you rarely see them and it's pretty much the same at the track. What we need is a number plate sized blue flashing panel at the front and rear. I disagree with the reverse grid, I think it's a laugh, in fact I'd like the whole grid reversed!
A few other formulas have a complete reverse grid race.So, with only twenty one cars, reverse the entire grid, but with less overall points on offer.
One point for each improvement on grid position.
(They could try it for a few meetings... just to see how it fared)
Edited by Milkyway on Friday 24th May 17:49
Milkyway said:
A few other formulas have a complete reverse grid race.
So, with only twenty one cars, reverse the entire grid, but with less overall points on offer.
One point for each improvement on grid position.
(They could try it for a few meetings... just to see how it fared)
Not in favour as it basically is saying you’re good and you’re going to be penalised for that. So, with only twenty one cars, reverse the entire grid, but with less overall points on offer.
One point for each improvement on grid position.
(They could try it for a few meetings... just to see how it fared)
Edited by Milkyway on Friday 24th May 17:49
I have a question regarding the qualifying format. How are the two groups for the first part of qualifying determined? I see from today's results that the Napa cars and Bristol Street Motors cars were all running in the same session. Just curious as to how the groups are selected. Thanks.
Did I dream watching the coverage from Snett yesterday? Can't believe there's not a single post about it!
Must admit it's not a great circuit from a TV viewing perspective, but there was decent action in the races. I'd have loved Hill's gamble to pay off in race 3, mind. It was agonizing watching him drop back a place at a time in those final four laps!!
Thought it looked a fairly small crowd on the day. Maybe the weather put a few off?
Must admit it's not a great circuit from a TV viewing perspective, but there was decent action in the races. I'd have loved Hill's gamble to pay off in race 3, mind. It was agonizing watching him drop back a place at a time in those final four laps!!
Thought it looked a fairly small crowd on the day. Maybe the weather put a few off?
greeny12 said:
Did I dream watching the coverage from Snett yesterday? Can't believe there's not a single post about it!
I wS just about to post similar. I had assumed I had missed a Snetterton specific thread where all the discussion had taken place but it would seem that's not the case.What did surprise me, considering the conditions and the tyre choices, the lack of safety car use.
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