Blanket 20mph limit across Wales from 2023
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Evanivitch said:
ATG said:
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If local authorities aren't making sensible variations for urban roads that should be 30/40/50/60, people should be asking them to get their finger out.
That's exactly how the 20 mph implementation is structured. Exemptions are all in the power of LA highways, there's zero claw back by the Senedd for LA implementation as they're only issue guidance. If local authorities aren't making sensible variations for urban roads that should be 30/40/50/60, people should be asking them to get their finger out.
Evanivitch said:
I have. They declined to comment. At the time, however...
"Speaking at the debate in 2020 the current Welsh Conservative shadow minister for cliamte change, Janet Finch-Saunders, said: "It's a common sense and it's a safe move. A person is seven times less likely to die if hit at 20mph than 30mph or 10 times if they're over the age of 60. A study aimed to evaluate the impact of the rollout of 20mph speed limits across the city of Bristol found that there had been a reduction in the number of fatal, serious, and slight injuries from road traffic collisions equating to estimated cost savings of over £15m per year and that walking and cycling across the city had increased.
"In fact 20mph is being pursued and encouraged in other parts of the United Kingdom and abroad. The de facto standard for safer and people-friendly streets is now 20mph with higher limits only where they can be justified."
Love a study. Clearly non biased….."Speaking at the debate in 2020 the current Welsh Conservative shadow minister for cliamte change, Janet Finch-Saunders, said: "It's a common sense and it's a safe move. A person is seven times less likely to die if hit at 20mph than 30mph or 10 times if they're over the age of 60. A study aimed to evaluate the impact of the rollout of 20mph speed limits across the city of Bristol found that there had been a reduction in the number of fatal, serious, and slight injuries from road traffic collisions equating to estimated cost savings of over £15m per year and that walking and cycling across the city had increased.
"In fact 20mph is being pursued and encouraged in other parts of the United Kingdom and abroad. The de facto standard for safer and people-friendly streets is now 20mph with higher limits only where they can be justified."
As usual society has to dumb itself down to those that support crap like this.
Evanivitch said:
It's a vote to progress the 20 mph default. That's clear as day. Why didn't they vote against it at that stage?
Probably because they'd have been attacked for not caring enough about Welsh children dying to even have a pilot study.btw I have never and will never vote tory, so not defending them because conservative.
ATG said:
What a plum. That's particularly irresponsible.
If you want to meet your local politicians, organise some community event and then spot the plonkers standing next to some recognisable local landmark or a poster for the event having their photo taken. That's them. Those are your local politicians free loading on your event as a photo op. If you want to spot the Tories, they'll be wearing suits. Plaid tend to look like musicians who've misplaced their folk band. I'm not going to take the piss out of Labour as they're quite tribal and punchy and sensitive about being told Corbyn is like Fidel Castro once you've made it clear that you think that's a really bad thing.
to be fair I'm not sure that corby is intelligent enough to even be a cut-price Castro If you want to meet your local politicians, organise some community event and then spot the plonkers standing next to some recognisable local landmark or a poster for the event having their photo taken. That's them. Those are your local politicians free loading on your event as a photo op. If you want to spot the Tories, they'll be wearing suits. Plaid tend to look like musicians who've misplaced their folk band. I'm not going to take the piss out of Labour as they're quite tribal and punchy and sensitive about being told Corbyn is like Fidel Castro once you've made it clear that you think that's a really bad thing.
ATG said:
What a plum. That's particularly irresponsible.
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carlo996 said:
As usual society has to dumb itself down to those that support crap like this.
Indeed... And we wouldn't be in this situation if we had road safety education, targeted at boys & young men. Rase standards instead of "Dumbing Down"....but Itcy would argue that black is white if the WG made it legislation.
BTW - Itchy, how are you getting on with that binary "Yes/No" question I asked? You OK Hun?
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camel_landy said:
Indeed... And we wouldn't be in this situation if we had road safety education, targeted at boys & young men. Rase standards instead of "Dumbing Down".
The same thing they've been doing for 20 years? Police and Fire services go to every further education, often with a smashed car covered in the victims blood, to show youths.camel_landy said:
BTW - Itchy, how are you getting on with that binary "Yes/No" question I asked? You OK Hun?
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I'd already answered it. I'm not going through every iteration of the same question you can think of.M
Evanivitch said:
camel_landy said:
Indeed... And we wouldn't be in this situation if we had road safety education, targeted at boys & young men. Rase standards instead of "Dumbing Down".
The same thing they've been doing for 20 years? Police and Fire services go to every further education, often with a smashed car covered in the victims blood, to show youths.All my time it's been very much frowned upon and not allowed to even show gory pictures in a school.
camel_landy said:
ATG said:
What a plum. That's particularly irresponsible.
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Evanivitch said:
camel_landy said:
Indeed... And we wouldn't be in this situation if we had road safety education, targeted at boys & young men. Rase standards instead of "Dumbing Down".
The same thing they've been doing for 20 years? Police and Fire services go to every further education, often with a smashed car covered in the victims blood, to show youths.Where's the PEDESTRIAN road safety education?
Evanivitch said:
camel_landy said:
BTW - Itchy, how are you getting on with that binary "Yes/No" question I asked? You OK Hun?
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I'd already answered it. I'm not going through every iteration of the same question you can think of.M
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camel_landy said:
That's different and you know it.
Where's the PEDESTRIAN road safety education?
Like every council delivers in every school? Like in Swansea?Where's the PEDESTRIAN road safety education?
https://www.swansea.gov.uk/article/4251/Road-safet...
camel_landy said:
No you haven't. You've tried to use 'smoke and mirrors' to obfuscate but you've so far avoided answering a direct question.
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I answered the first iteration directly. Then you recycled it, again.Evanivitch said:
Like every council delivers in every school? Like in Swansea?
https://www.swansea.gov.uk/article/4251/Road-safet...
Well then, back to the stats coz they show the road safety education being delivered isn't doing the job (or at least the message isn't getting through to boys & young men).https://www.swansea.gov.uk/article/4251/Road-safet...
Evanivitch said:
camel_landy said:
No you haven't. You've tried to use 'smoke and mirrors' to obfuscate but you've so far avoided answering a direct question.
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I answered the first iteration directly. Then you recycled it, again.M
camel_landy said:
Evanivitch said:
Like every council delivers in every school? Like in Swansea?
https://www.swansea.gov.uk/article/4251/Road-safet...
Well then, back to the stats coz they show the road safety education being delivered isn't doing the job (or at least the message isn't getting through to boys & young men).https://www.swansea.gov.uk/article/4251/Road-safet...
Evanivitch said:
camel_landy said:
No you haven't. You've tried to use 'smoke and mirrors' to obfuscate but you've so far avoided answering a direct question.
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I answered the first iteration directly. Then you recycled it, again.M
I take it from your silence on the topic you've realised that road safety is already widely taught (for decades) and has failed to improve road safety?
camel_landy said:
Still missing the step which goes from "Consultation" to "National Rollout".
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Evanivitch said:
It's clearly stated as a move to a default limit in restricted roads. That has not changed. The only thing that has changed is the Torys now claiming they want it outside targeted facilities. What part of that wasn't clear before?
Specifically, what part of the report influenced their u-turn?
Specifically, what part of the report influenced their u-turn?
Evanivitch said:
I take it from your silence on the topic you've realised that road safety is already widely taught (for decades) and has failed to improve road safety?
No, it's not "widely taught"... ...and that's the message I'm getting directly from teachers.
But even if it was taught, if it isn't making a difference then change the way you're teaching it. The stats suggest you might even need to consider separate sessions for those boys & young men.
Alternatively, just leave it to Darwinism, as being self aware and performing your own dynamic risk assessments, is an important life skill.
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camel_landy said:
No, it's not "widely taught"...
...and that's the message I'm getting directly from teachers.
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Because teachers don't teach it....and that's the message I'm getting directly from teachers.
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camel_landy said:
Alternatively, just leave it to Darwinism, as being self aware and performing your own dynamic risk assessments, is an important life skill.
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Classy, let disadvantaged kids die.M
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