The 'Bladerunners' are right

[Gareth79]

Easiest way is for TfL to simply employ security guards directly and then any SIA nonsense is irrelevant.

[mcdjl]

SlimJim16v said:

First person sentenced, for painting a camera, 100 hours community service.

The vans have been suspended, either because not legal, or the security don't have the required qualifications.

Should be able to get a good few more cameras painted/ gift wrapped in that time.

[Trax]

SlimJim16v said:

I was a bit late with the news about the vans, it was a week ago and they're back out again.

Probably more TfL bullst, but they supposedly didn't need to display an SIA badge as they were close protection. I did read that most didn't have the relevant CP qualification, but I didn't know there was any required qualification for that.

The thing is, that's the angle they are trying to play, pretending they are close protection, then they aren't. You could argue they are protecting the driver/operator, but as they generally then leave, they are just protecting a van, so not a person.

[twister]

Gareth79 said:

Easiest way is for TfL to simply employ security guards directly and then any SIA nonsense is irrelevant.

Yeah, but that would mean also having to accept full responsibility for all the crap the goons pull, and I rather suspect TfL would want to distance themselves as much as possible from any fallout there...

[ZedLeg]

On a more cynical level, if they hired them directly it would be harder to just bin them off when everyone’s moved on to the next thing.

[Bo_apex]

Randy Winkman said:

Bo_apex said:

Racking up extra security costs is the choice of Khan.
How much is his ProjectDetroit costing Londoners ?

Khan ignores protestors especially the poor, and creates a virtual Police state. He's a classy thinker and not a blunt tool whatsover.

As a London council tax payer I think it's the vandals that are costing me money. And I don't even agree with the ULEZ extension.

That's certainly one way of looking at it, and yet how about all the bus shelters that get destroyed each year with not a single security guard in sight ?

Ulez is Khan's pet cash cow - his ego sits at its epicentre and must be protected at all costs.

[Guybrush]

Randy Winkman said:

Bo_apex said:

Racking up extra security costs is the choice of Khan.
How much is his ProjectDetroit costing Londoners ?

Khan ignores protestors especially the poor, and creates a virtual Police state. He's a classy thinker and not a blunt tool whatsover.

As a London council tax payer I think it's the vandals that are costing me money. And I don't even agree with the ULEZ extension.

It's Khan who's costing you money.

[Guybrush]

markbigears said:

Wouldn’t surprise me if Khans employees blew it up themselves to turn the general public against the opposition. The Police have already arrested and put future restrictions on the main TikTok spokesperson because of his high profile against ULEZ.
Funny how Police turn up en mass literally within minutes, to mrs miggins holding a placard in front of a van camera, because the ULEZ van security have called them.

Edited by markbigears on Saturday 9th December 21:29

Exactly. People are very easy to manipulate in that way and it's been done for millennia by governments / dictators etc.

[Gigamoons]

Guybrush said:

markbigears said:

Wouldn’t surprise me if Khans employees blew it up themselves to turn the general public against the opposition. The Police have already arrested and put future restrictions on the main TikTok spokesperson because of his high profile against ULEZ.
Funny how Police turn up en mass literally within minutes, to mrs miggins holding a placard in front of a van camera, because the ULEZ van security have called them.

Edited by markbigears on Saturday 9th December 21:29

Exactly. People are very easy to manipulate in that way and it's been done for millennia by governments / dictators etc.

To merely suggest it sounds utterly ridiculous
.
Yet history shows how commonplace this tactic would be.

[Gareth79]

Are people really suggesting that Sadiq Khan ordered people to cut down and *bomb* the ULEZ cameras?

Are these people aware of how impossible such an order would be to keep secret?

[Gareth79]

Two arrested, searches in progress:
https://news.sky.com/story/two-men-aged-60-and-61-...

[Killboy]

Gareth79 said:

Two arrested, searches in progress:
https://news.sky.com/story/two-men-aged-60-and-61-...

Full terror charges please!

[bitchstewie]

"Conspiracy to cause an explosion likely to endanger life or property" sounds like serious st.

This is the problem with the Harry Brown wannabes.

[Killboy]

bhstewie said:

"Conspiracy to cause an explosion likely to endanger life or property" sounds like serious st.

This is the problem with the Harry Brown wannabes.

I think my first post on this thread was something along the lines of "imagine getting a criminal record over this!". If only I'd have known where it would end up

[DMN]

Of course it was a pair of boomers, how predicable.

Do we reckon it was the Mail or the Telegraph, or perhaps even GB News thats been warping their mind?

[bitchstewie]

I'm just loving the silence at people literally making bombs v when someone from JSO walks slowly in the road

[Lotobear]

DMN said:

Of course it was a pair of boomers

Nice one

[Lotobear]

...it would seem these two have certainly been hoist by their own petard

[smithyithy]

To be fair (and I know this isn't the best thing to play devil's advocate with...) an 'improvised explosive device' for the purpose of damaging a ULEZ camera, could simple be a chopped up firework, I don't think it's very likely that they're producing their own C4 Fight Club style

Not to say it isn't extremely stupid and dangerous

[Gareth79]

smithyithy said:

To be fair (and I know this isn't the best thing to play devil's advocate with...) an 'improvised explosive device' for the purpose of damaging a ULEZ camera, could simple be a chopped up firework, I don't think it's very likely that they're producing their own C4 Fight Club style

Not to say it isn't extremely stupid and dangerous

The police already said it was "low-sophistication", which I think rules out remote control etc, so given the time of year I reckon it was indeed some fireworks repackaged into something else, with a firework fuse. I'm no expert but I think it would have needed to be a fairly decent size to launch the box that far though. Quite possible they wanted it to go bang and wreck the box, but underestimated the effects. "Only supposed to blow the bloody door off" etc...