Are you voting in the locals?
Discussion
Sheets Tabuer said:
Just looked up our PCC pledges
Candidate 1
I will invest in services for victims of crime, particularly support for those suffering domestic abuse.
And I will help to build strong communities by providing young people with the services to achieve their full potential and protect them from crime.
Candidate 2
Tackling key issues such as knife crime, speeding and dangerous driving and retail crime.
Commitment to crime prevention and making the night-time economy safer.
Candidate 3
More frontline police with strengthened neighbourhood policing tackling local crime like burglary, vehicle crime, shoplifting, anti-social behaviour.
Rural policing will be strengthened, protecting farming and countryside communities.
Safer roads will be a priority, with action on speeding, and new long-term plans combatting violent crime, knife crime, drugs and county lines, and action to end violence against women and girls, domestic abuse and hate crime.
Candidate 4
More police officers on the beat; a better contract between the community and police based on mutual respect; more resources for crime prevention; better representation within the police force; and fighting for an end to the war in Gaza and bringing those responsible to justice
Not entirely sure how the PCC is going to end the fighting in Gaza which is sod all to do with them but the rest are so vague to not actually be saying anything.
Pure waffle.Candidate 1
I will invest in services for victims of crime, particularly support for those suffering domestic abuse.
And I will help to build strong communities by providing young people with the services to achieve their full potential and protect them from crime.
Candidate 2
Tackling key issues such as knife crime, speeding and dangerous driving and retail crime.
Commitment to crime prevention and making the night-time economy safer.
Candidate 3
More frontline police with strengthened neighbourhood policing tackling local crime like burglary, vehicle crime, shoplifting, anti-social behaviour.
Rural policing will be strengthened, protecting farming and countryside communities.
Safer roads will be a priority, with action on speeding, and new long-term plans combatting violent crime, knife crime, drugs and county lines, and action to end violence against women and girls, domestic abuse and hate crime.
Candidate 4
More police officers on the beat; a better contract between the community and police based on mutual respect; more resources for crime prevention; better representation within the police force; and fighting for an end to the war in Gaza and bringing those responsible to justice
Not entirely sure how the PCC is going to end the fighting in Gaza which is sod all to do with them but the rest are so vague to not actually be saying anything.
And the Gaza one is pure opportunism to grab some votes.
dirky dirk said:
voting should be compulsory
and if you dont work you dont get to vote,(unless retired or ill)
too many people are getting a say that dont contribute to the pot.
and the first thing that will happen is that the parties will look after people paying in,
and focus their policies on them.
And ill be voting reform, i never wanted brexit and its not getting reversed and where i live its a massive labour strong hold,
ill nver vote tory, and im not voting labour as the crafty s
tehawk council sneakily got a homelss centre approved, thats my choice and mayor wise i dont know but it wont be andy burnham,
hes a talker not a doer
not after an argument ,not trying to convince anyone else dont care what others think
thats it thank you
Or how about... any vote requires a minimum turn out. and if you dont work you dont get to vote,(unless retired or ill)
too many people are getting a say that dont contribute to the pot.
and the first thing that will happen is that the parties will look after people paying in,
and focus their policies on them.
And ill be voting reform, i never wanted brexit and its not getting reversed and where i live its a massive labour strong hold,
ill nver vote tory, and im not voting labour as the crafty s
tehawk council sneakily got a homelss centre approved, thats my choice and mayor wise i dont know but it wont be andy burnham,hes a talker not a doer
not after an argument ,not trying to convince anyone else dont care what others think
thats it thank you
if only 10% of the constituency vote, then its a busted flush. So if your councillor person really wants to get in, they'll think a bit harder about what they should be doing and getting people out to vote for them.
We get absolutely nothing from the people round our way. The first time we ever hear about a vote is when the polling information drops on the door mat. I am not voting for a bunch of people who cannot be bothered to even let people know what they're standing for.
Just forcing people to vote when the people they're voting for can't be arsed to even make themselves heard isn't helpful. Unless of course they're going to allow "None of the Above" to be an option on the ballots. But I think at that point we circle back round to just having a minimum turn out.
Granted, if there is a poor turn out or a mass of "none of the above" I don't know what the solution would be: Maybe the incumbent stays on, maybe some one higher up appoints an emergency person or whatever. Maybe the position goes unfilled and they take their chances on having no one doing the "job". It might be like when they turn off the traffic lights on roundabouts and suddenly it flows like water
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Friday 3rd May 11:20
Otispunkmeyer said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
Just looked up our PCC pledges
Candidate 1
I will invest in services for victims of crime, particularly support for those suffering domestic abuse.
And I will help to build strong communities by providing young people with the services to achieve their full potential and protect them from crime.
Candidate 2
Tackling key issues such as knife crime, speeding and dangerous driving and retail crime.
Commitment to crime prevention and making the night-time economy safer.
Candidate 3
More frontline police with strengthened neighbourhood policing tackling local crime like burglary, vehicle crime, shoplifting, anti-social behaviour.
Rural policing will be strengthened, protecting farming and countryside communities.
Safer roads will be a priority, with action on speeding, and new long-term plans combatting violent crime, knife crime, drugs and county lines, and action to end violence against women and girls, domestic abuse and hate crime.
Candidate 4
More police officers on the beat; a better contract between the community and police based on mutual respect; more resources for crime prevention; better representation within the police force; and fighting for an end to the war in Gaza and bringing those responsible to justice
Not entirely sure how the PCC is going to end the fighting in Gaza which is sod all to do with them but the rest are so vague to not actually be saying anything.
Pure waffle.Candidate 1
I will invest in services for victims of crime, particularly support for those suffering domestic abuse.
And I will help to build strong communities by providing young people with the services to achieve their full potential and protect them from crime.
Candidate 2
Tackling key issues such as knife crime, speeding and dangerous driving and retail crime.
Commitment to crime prevention and making the night-time economy safer.
Candidate 3
More frontline police with strengthened neighbourhood policing tackling local crime like burglary, vehicle crime, shoplifting, anti-social behaviour.
Rural policing will be strengthened, protecting farming and countryside communities.
Safer roads will be a priority, with action on speeding, and new long-term plans combatting violent crime, knife crime, drugs and county lines, and action to end violence against women and girls, domestic abuse and hate crime.
Candidate 4
More police officers on the beat; a better contract between the community and police based on mutual respect; more resources for crime prevention; better representation within the police force; and fighting for an end to the war in Gaza and bringing those responsible to justice
Not entirely sure how the PCC is going to end the fighting in Gaza which is sod all to do with them but the rest are so vague to not actually be saying anything.
And the Gaza one is pure opportunism to grab some votes.
But if if it's anything like where I live, all they'll likely actually do is introduce more reduced speed limits and install more cameras...
I tried to find what the candidates in my ward were planning to do before voting yesterday. Aside from some general vague nonsense from the local Labour party, who control the council, I found nothing.
It does seem that people abandoned common sense and put national issues ahead of local ones though. The Labour council are utterly dismal on all fronts, which seems to be beyond doubt in the area, yet they still won more seats yesterday. Local turkeys voting for Christmas.
It does seem that people abandoned common sense and put national issues ahead of local ones though. The Labour council are utterly dismal on all fronts, which seems to be beyond doubt in the area, yet they still won more seats yesterday. Local turkeys voting for Christmas.
My LibDem PCC candidate wrote the below in his Bio:
"Like many people I disagree with the idea of PCCs, but we’re stuck with them for now (and I came a strong 2nd last time)".
Since he openly disagrees with the role he is standing for I did him a favour and voted for someone else. Utterly bizarre
"Like many people I disagree with the idea of PCCs, but we’re stuck with them for now (and I came a strong 2nd last time)".
Since he openly disagrees with the role he is standing for I did him a favour and voted for someone else. Utterly bizarre
Turnout was about 50% in south London, whereas a usual local would see more like 35% (but a ge a one t 70%)
It might be outer London angst against Khan - apparently the word in election circles is it could be tight, so more scrutiny on close calls.
By election circles I mean the count staff - I'm a "senior"returning officer assistant this year - though all that seems to means is I get my own chair...
It might be outer London angst against Khan - apparently the word in election circles is it could be tight, so more scrutiny on close calls.
By election circles I mean the count staff - I'm a "senior"returning officer assistant this year - though all that seems to means is I get my own chair...
I’m intrigued by your report of a very significant uptick in turnout. Circa 35% to circa 50% is an almost unbelievable increase. With voting limited to just the Mayor and the GLA, and with the Conservative Party so unappealing to its normal voting base (and the Conservative Mayoral candidate and campaign being so uninspiring (imo, of course)) that’s astonishing.
My life is spent in Outer South London and I witnessed almost zero interest in these elections. I’ll watch the results with some interest.
My life is spent in Outer South London and I witnessed almost zero interest in these elections. I’ll watch the results with some interest.
FMOB said:
I understood they were put there to hold the relevant constabulary to local public account, I cannot recall who used to do this before the PCC's were thought of but the question should be, are they doing a better job than the previous regime?
Just getting rid of them based on cost alone is just following doctrine (as in knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing), if they aren't working then changes should be made, from the way they work through to getting rid if there is an alternative.
It was done by the local “Police Authority” for the Police Force area in question, a system that had been in place for a 150 years or so Just getting rid of them based on cost alone is just following doctrine (as in knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing), if they aren't working then changes should be made, from the way they work through to getting rid if there is an alternative.
It normally consisted of a panel of around 9 members, representatives from each of the Political parties, magistrates and independent members from the community with an independent non aligned chairperson
They were all selected locally and it was overseen by the Home Office
Needless to say these panel members weren’t full time and not on huge salaries but they were there to provide a broad spectrum from the local community to hold the Chief Constable to account
Some might say why fix something that wasn’t broken?
scenario8 said:
I’m intrigued by your report of a very significant uptick in turnout. Circa 35% to circa 50% is an almost unbelievable increase. With voting limited to just the Mayor and the GLA, and with the Conservative Party so unappealing to its normal voting base (and the Conservative Mayoral candidate and campaign being so uninspiring (imo, of course)) that’s astonishing.
My life is spent in Outer South London and I witnessed almost zero interest in these elections. I’ll watch the results with some interest.
It’s being reported this morning that turnout in inner London is down whilst in outer London it’s up significantly My life is spent in Outer South London and I witnessed almost zero interest in these elections. I’ll watch the results with some interest.
How true that is remains to be seen but they are saying Labour are worried that Starmer’s strong support for Israel has affected the inner London vote and objection to ULEZ boosted the outer London vote
They think it’s going to be close particularly as Khan can’t pick up 2nd preference votes this time
I suppose we’ll find out later on
Luckily we had some indies running for election, so they got my vote for councillors.
The police commissioner boils my piss. She has been in that position since 2012, and just got re-elected. In those 12 years, she has closed the police station in town, reduced the number of police in town to practically zero. We hardly ever see a police car from one week to the next.
This week the villages and town around here have suffered motorbikes, scoooters, and pushbikes being stolen. At least 2 per day, all found dumped. CCTV and doorbell footage has been circulated in the local FB groups of 3 little tracksuited idiots (hoodies up of course) that have been witnessed taking the bikes. They even wear the same tracksuits every day, so not exactly diffifult to identify. Details have been passed to police, and they have even been named. Yet the thefts continue. One poor old bugger even had his mobility scooter taken.
Just another case of lawless Britain. And yet the police commissioner is quite gleefully telling the voters what a fantastic job she is doing.
The police commissioner boils my piss. She has been in that position since 2012, and just got re-elected. In those 12 years, she has closed the police station in town, reduced the number of police in town to practically zero. We hardly ever see a police car from one week to the next.
This week the villages and town around here have suffered motorbikes, scoooters, and pushbikes being stolen. At least 2 per day, all found dumped. CCTV and doorbell footage has been circulated in the local FB groups of 3 little tracksuited idiots (hoodies up of course) that have been witnessed taking the bikes. They even wear the same tracksuits every day, so not exactly diffifult to identify. Details have been passed to police, and they have even been named. Yet the thefts continue. One poor old bugger even had his mobility scooter taken.
Just another case of lawless Britain. And yet the police commissioner is quite gleefully telling the voters what a fantastic job she is doing.
Earthdweller said:
scenario8 said:
I’m intrigued by your report of a very significant uptick in turnout. Circa 35% to circa 50% is an almost unbelievable increase. With voting limited to just the Mayor and the GLA, and with the Conservative Party so unappealing to its normal voting base (and the Conservative Mayoral candidate and campaign being so uninspiring (imo, of course)) that’s astonishing.
My life is spent in Outer South London and I witnessed almost zero interest in these elections. I’ll watch the results with some interest.
It’s being reported this morning that turnout in inner London is down whilst in outer London it’s up significantly My life is spent in Outer South London and I witnessed almost zero interest in these elections. I’ll watch the results with some interest.
How true that is remains to be seen but they are saying Labour are worried that Starmer’s strong support for Israel has affected the inner London vote and objection to ULEZ boosted the outer London vote
They think it’s going to be close particularly as Khan can’t pick up 2nd preference votes this time
I suppose we’ll find out later on
Earthdweller said:
scenario8 said:
I’m intrigued by your report of a very significant uptick in turnout. Circa 35% to circa 50% is an almost unbelievable increase. With voting limited to just the Mayor and the GLA, and with the Conservative Party so unappealing to its normal voting base (and the Conservative Mayoral candidate and campaign being so uninspiring (imo, of course)) that’s astonishing.
My life is spent in Outer South London and I witnessed almost zero interest in these elections. I’ll watch the results with some interest.
It’s being reported this morning that turnout in inner London is down whilst in outer London it’s up significantly My life is spent in Outer South London and I witnessed almost zero interest in these elections. I’ll watch the results with some interest.
How true that is remains to be seen but they are saying Labour are worried that Starmer’s strong support for Israel has affected the inner London vote and objection to ULEZ boosted the outer London vote
They think it’s going to be close particularly as Khan can’t pick up 2nd preference votes this time
I suppose we’ll find out later on
This surprises me.
Our borough in Cheshire East was not voting.
The swing does look extraordinary, but with such a low turnout compared to a general election, I doubt it will prove to be as significant come December.
Tories will inevitably get hammered, the only question is by how much. Their core not turning out must be their biggest worry.
The swing does look extraordinary, but with such a low turnout compared to a general election, I doubt it will prove to be as significant come December.
Tories will inevitably get hammered, the only question is by how much. Their core not turning out must be their biggest worry.
dirky dirk said:
voting should be compulsory
and if you dont work you dont get to vote,(unless retired or ill)
too many people are getting a say that dont contribute to the pot.
and the first thing that will happen is that the parties will look after people paying in,
and focus their policies on them.
And ill be voting reform, i never wanted brexit and its not getting reversed and where i live its a massive labour strong hold,
ill nver vote tory, and im not voting labour as the crafty stehawk council sneakily got a homelss centre approved, thats my choice and mayor wise i dont know but it wont be andy burnham,
hes a talker not a doer
not after an argument ,not trying to convince anyone else dont care what others think
thats it thank you
Quality post! Who doesn't love a good spoof? and if you dont work you dont get to vote,(unless retired or ill)
too many people are getting a say that dont contribute to the pot.
and the first thing that will happen is that the parties will look after people paying in,
and focus their policies on them.
And ill be voting reform, i never wanted brexit and its not getting reversed and where i live its a massive labour strong hold,
ill nver vote tory, and im not voting labour as the crafty s
tehawk council sneakily got a homelss centre approved, thats my choice and mayor wise i dont know but it wont be andy burnham,hes a talker not a doer
not after an argument ,not trying to convince anyone else dont care what others think
thats it thank you
Earthdweller said:
It’s being reported this morning that turnout in inner London is down whilst in outer London it’s up significantly
How true that is remains to be seen but they are saying Labour are worried that Starmer’s strong support for Israel has affected the inner London vote and objection to ULEZ boosted the outer London vote
They think it’s going to be close particularly as Khan can’t pick up 2nd preference votes this time
I suppose we’ll find out later on
This is classic disinformation. Labour know Khan will win, but by not that much. So they are getting their disinformation out there so when he does win with a much reduced majority, they can spin it to make it look like a huge win.How true that is remains to be seen but they are saying Labour are worried that Starmer’s strong support for Israel has affected the inner London vote and objection to ULEZ boosted the outer London vote
They think it’s going to be close particularly as Khan can’t pick up 2nd preference votes this time
I suppose we’ll find out later on
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