Does my driving fit an EV?
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At the moment I do this in a 3.5L no-plug hybrid spending £240 a month petrol:
3 days a week
- 30-50 mph for a mile or so to the dual carriageway
- sit behind a lorry with ACC for 16 miles, often can be stop and crawl
- 2 miles of city traffic, usually not bad but can be stop-start
- all again in reverse
1 day a week
- 30-60 mph A roads for 35 miles
1 day a week
- 70 miles A roads with a town bit for 4 miles
About 1000 miles a month. Doing some research I can fuel a Tesla Model 3 with an EV tariff for about £20 a month doing the same miles. Would this work out for me? It's tempting seeing a used Model 3 for £300 a month when I'll save £200 in petrol, and get a much newer car out of it with aimilar performance. Installing a home charger would cost, but I might get away with granny plug and charging at work for a bit. Any thoughts on this? To spend £300 a month on a 320i or something and then still have the fuel bill is unappealing.
3 days a week
- 30-50 mph for a mile or so to the dual carriageway
- sit behind a lorry with ACC for 16 miles, often can be stop and crawl
- 2 miles of city traffic, usually not bad but can be stop-start
- all again in reverse
1 day a week
- 30-60 mph A roads for 35 miles
1 day a week
- 70 miles A roads with a town bit for 4 miles
About 1000 miles a month. Doing some research I can fuel a Tesla Model 3 with an EV tariff for about £20 a month doing the same miles. Would this work out for me? It's tempting seeing a used Model 3 for £300 a month when I'll save £200 in petrol, and get a much newer car out of it with aimilar performance. Installing a home charger would cost, but I might get away with granny plug and charging at work for a bit. Any thoughts on this? To spend £300 a month on a 320i or something and then still have the fuel bill is unappealing.
Yeah would work.
I have a Model 3 Long Range and my usage is:
160 mile round trip once per week. Mostly dual carriageway.
10 miles per day for the other days of the week if i'm doing the school run or whatever locally
Possibly a 100 mile round trip once per week visiting relatives.
I bought it used and paid less than £20k. I'm paying £250/m on a 0% credit card deal, and paid a 50% deposit on the car.
I managed just fine on a 3 pin plug. Buy a decent waterproof extension lead though.
3 pin will add approx 0.3%, or roughly 7-8 miles per hour. Probably fine for your usage. On Octopus Intelligent you'll get loads of extra hours on top of the guaranteed 6 that are included once Octopus realise that your charge rate is so low. It'll sometimes give you 15-16 hrs per day at cheap rate for the whole house.
I went for a 7kW Ohme charger and it's overkill TBH. It's handy if doing a spontaneous trip, or if coming home late and doing a big trip next day, but that rarely happens. More convenient than the 3 pin and extension lead though.
So far it's increased our electric bill by roughly £30/month, but i've done 5k miles in 3 months. Saving roughly £120/month over my previous ioniq hybrid that did 60mpg.
HTH
I have a Model 3 Long Range and my usage is:
160 mile round trip once per week. Mostly dual carriageway.
10 miles per day for the other days of the week if i'm doing the school run or whatever locally
Possibly a 100 mile round trip once per week visiting relatives.
I bought it used and paid less than £20k. I'm paying £250/m on a 0% credit card deal, and paid a 50% deposit on the car.
I managed just fine on a 3 pin plug. Buy a decent waterproof extension lead though.
3 pin will add approx 0.3%, or roughly 7-8 miles per hour. Probably fine for your usage. On Octopus Intelligent you'll get loads of extra hours on top of the guaranteed 6 that are included once Octopus realise that your charge rate is so low. It'll sometimes give you 15-16 hrs per day at cheap rate for the whole house.
I went for a 7kW Ohme charger and it's overkill TBH. It's handy if doing a spontaneous trip, or if coming home late and doing a big trip next day, but that rarely happens. More convenient than the 3 pin and extension lead though.
So far it's increased our electric bill by roughly £30/month, but i've done 5k miles in 3 months. Saving roughly £120/month over my previous ioniq hybrid that did 60mpg.
HTH
It'll do it easily. I have the Model 3 LR RWD and do 2 days a week in the office which is 60 mile round trip and each way it uses 10% of the battery for a journey that is 1 mile to the M4, 25 miles on the M4 and 3 miles at the other end to the office. I'll just plug in once a week which costs about £4 and I'm good for all other trips at the weekend etc. I currently do about 1200 miles a month.
I possibly still wouldn't recommend for someone who can't park at home but I only need to use Superchargers when visiting family in the West Country or Merseyside.
I possibly still wouldn't recommend for someone who can't park at home but I only need to use Superchargers when visiting family in the West Country or Merseyside.
We do about 1000 miles a month, and the fuel savings save a decent chunk of the SS lease cost. I'm enjoying not visiting a petrol station.
We used a granny charger for the first few weeks, and as long as you have a decent socket to use, it would work. We are also with Octopus and that gave the added bonus of cheaper electricity for the whole house whilst the car was slowly charging on the lower cost rate.
We used a granny charger for the first few weeks, and as long as you have a decent socket to use, it would work. We are also with Octopus and that gave the added bonus of cheaper electricity for the whole house whilst the car was slowly charging on the lower cost rate.
raspy said:
You want to pay £300 a month in order to save £200 a month? That makes no sense to me.
I suspect that the OP wants to get a newer car and can pay £300 for a used Model 3 and fuel it for £20 rather than getting something like a 320i for similar and then paying £200 to fuel it.raspy said:
You want to pay £300 a month in order to save £200 a month? That makes no sense to me.
No, he wants a much newer car than he has at present for £100 a month rather than £500.He does however need to consider depreciation, insurance etc. in his calculations.
Edited by SWoll on Thursday 2nd May 15:13
Absolutely would work - even on a granny charger in winter, you should easily see 25mph charging rate, so overnight would easily top you up 200 miles if needed.
The only thing I would query would be your statement of 'similar performance' to a 3.5l hybrid - if that's a Lexus, Merc, Honda or Infiniti (all that Autotrader could suggest that met the criteria), then you're out of luck... the Tesla would be signifcantly quicker than any of those in real-world use.
The only thing I would query would be your statement of 'similar performance' to a 3.5l hybrid - if that's a Lexus, Merc, Honda or Infiniti (all that Autotrader could suggest that met the criteria), then you're out of luck... the Tesla would be signifcantly quicker than any of those in real-world use.
plfrench said:
Absolutely would work - even on a granny charger in winter, you should easily see 25mph charging rate, so overnight would easily top you up 200 miles if needed.
The only thing I would query would be your statement of 'similar performance' to a 3.5l hybrid - if that's a Lexus, Merc, Honda or Infiniti (all that Autotrader could suggest that met the criteria), then you're out of luck... the Tesla would be signifcantly quicker than any of those in real-world use.
You won't get 25mph on a granny charger, more like 7mph. 12 hour overnight charge will get you a top up range of 80-90 miles.The only thing I would query would be your statement of 'similar performance' to a 3.5l hybrid - if that's a Lexus, Merc, Honda or Infiniti (all that Autotrader could suggest that met the criteria), then you're out of luck... the Tesla would be signifcantly quicker than any of those in real-world use.
plfrench said:
df76 said:
You won't get 25mph on a granny charger, more like 7mph. 12 hour overnight charge will get you a top up range of 80-90 miles.
Whoops, sorry, you're right - I'm so used to defaulting to 7kW 
df76 said:
plfrench said:
df76 said:
You won't get 25mph on a granny charger, more like 7mph. 12 hour overnight charge will get you a top up range of 80-90 miles.
Whoops, sorry, you're right - I'm so used to defaulting to 7kW Yet another post to say that you'll easily be able to do those journeys with a Tesla and a granny charger. If you can charge up for free at work, so much the better. Rather than dealing with range anxiety, the car will always be ready each morning for your journey. No more need to keep an eye on the fuel level and budget time for having to stop at a petrol station.
These days it's all about not paying interest at the moment. If you can right off 100% against tax, it's a no brainer buy new. 2nd EV prices reflect that for many buying new via schema makes the most sense. Personally a PHP/Lease schema would make sense to me, as not effort or risk required to exit. I worry if BYD released one of those £15K ev's in the UK what would happen?
ashenfie said:
These days it's all about not paying interest at the moment. If you can right off 100% against tax, it's a no brainer buy new. 2nd EV prices reflect that for many buying new via schema makes the most sense. Personally a PHP/Lease schema would make sense to me, as not effort or risk required to exit. I worry if BYD released one of those £15K ev's in the UK what would happen?
Won't be £15k with VAT etc and they have to adapt stuff to meet homologation.New Renault 5 EV due Q1 2025, is supposed to start around £23k. Ok it's not £15k, but the competition is heating up.
annodomini2 said:
ashenfie said:
These days it's all about not paying interest at the moment. If you can right off 100% against tax, it's a no brainer buy new. 2nd EV prices reflect that for many buying new via schema makes the most sense. Personally a PHP/Lease schema would make sense to me, as not effort or risk required to exit. I worry if BYD released one of those £15K ev's in the UK what would happen?
Won't be £15k with VAT etc and they have to adapt stuff to meet homologation.New Renault 5 EV due Q1 2025, is supposed to start around £23k. Ok it's not £15k, but the competition is heating up.
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